Who Is Responsible For The Hate Towards Dasam Granth?

[GPS 1,327]

Can you please provide a source to verify the fact that Teja Singh Bhasaur took out bhat and Bhagat bani out from SGGS Ji Maharaj?

If I was a Hindu that was hell bent on destroying Sikhims I would love Sri Dasam Granth Sahib Ji as I can draw parallels between Hinduism and Sikhism, and finally lay claim that Sikhism is a sect of Hinduism. Why would the GOI want to assault Sri Dasam Granth Sahib Ji? It does not logically make sense.

I am surprised that you are not aware of tejja bhasaur.please read here

http://www.sikhiwiki.org/index.php/Babu_Teja_Singh

Can you clarify yourself what you write in second para if I was a Hinsu ------------.

Why a repressive govt of Indira Gandhi and her son would like to attack Dasam granth sahib ? Answer is simple as after 1984 they wanted to divide and weaken Sikhs

[Quantavius 141]

I am surprised that you are not aware of tejja bhasaur.please read here

http://www.sikhiwiki.org/index.php/Babu_Teja_Singh

Can you clarify yourself what you write in second para if I was a Hinsu ------------.

Why a repressive govt of Indira Gandhi and her son would like to attack Dasam granth sahib ? Answer is simple as after 1984 they wanted to divide and weaken Sikhs

I'm sorry, I really don't know much about DG Ji other then there is a lot of controversy on it.

Why would the Indian government attack the DG Ji when it is the best source for drawing parallels between Sikhism and Hinduism? That does not make logical sense. By drawing parallels the Hindus can finally lay claim that Sikhism is a sect of Hinduism.

As it is Sikhism is not recognized by the GOI as a separate and distinct religion. Using DG Ji to claim Sikhism is Hinduism, the GOI can pry open the seats of power that controls Sikhism. First would be legislation created to open the election of Jathedars to Hindus as well. That will be the beginning of the end.

The best way to kill your enemy is from within and not outward attacks. Outwards attacks only bolsters your enemy to further unite against you.

[GPS 1,327]

I'm sorry, I really don't know much about DG Ji other then there is a lot of controversy on it.

Why would the Indian government attack the DG Ji when it is the best source for drawing parallels between Sikhism and Hinduism? That does not make logical sense. By drawing parallels the Hindus can finally lay claim that Sikhism is a sect of Hinduism.

As it is Sikhism is not recognized by the GOI as a separate and distinct religion. Using DG Ji to claim Sikhism is Hinduism, the GOI can pry open the seats of power that controls Sikhism. First would be legislation created to open the election of Jathedars to Hindus as well. That will be the beginning of the end.

The best way to kill your enemy is from within and not outward attacks. Outwards attacks only bolsters your enemy to further unite against you.

If you do not know about DG then why are you claiming that it draws parallel between Hinduism and sikhism and because of DG Hindus can claim sikhism as a sect

of Hinduism.

You do not make any sense. For your information if there is any granth that condemns Brahminism in entirety it is Sri Dasam Granth sahib.Please sit back and read from Dasam Granth

ਆਦਿ ਅਜੋਨਿ ਕਹਾਇ ਕਹੋ ਕਿਮ ਦੇਵਕਿ ਕੇ ਜਠਰੰਤਰ ਆਯੋ ॥ ਤਾਤ ਨ ਮਾਤ ਕਹੈ ਜਿਹ ਕੋ ਤਿਹ ਕਯੋਂ ਬਸੁਦੇਵਹਿ ਬਾਪੁ ਕਹਾਯੋ ॥੧੪॥

आदि अजोनि कहाइ कहो किम देवकि के जठरंतर आयो ॥ तात न मात कहै जिह को तिह कयों बसुदेवहि बापु कहायो ॥१४॥

He is said to be unborn and beginningless, then how did he come into the womb of Devaki ? He , who is considered without any father or mother, then why did he cause Vasudev to be called his father?14.

Sri Dasam Granth sahib

ਜੌ ਕਹੌ ਰਾਮ ਅਜੋਨਿ ਅਜੈ ਅਤਿ ਕਾਹੇ ਕੌ ਕੌਸ਼ਲ ਕੁੱਖ ਜਯੋ ਜੂ ॥ ਕਾਲ ਹੂੰ ਕਾਲ ਕਹੈ ਜਿਹਿ ਕੌ ਕਿਹਿ ਕਾਰਣ ਕਾਲ ਤੇ ਦੀਨ ਭਯੋ ਜੂ ॥

जौ कहौ राम अजोनि अजै अति काहे कौ कौशल कु्ख जयो जू ॥ काल हूं काल कहै जिहि कौ किहि कारण काल ते दीन भयो जू ॥

If we consider Ram, the Lord as Unborn, then how did he take brith from the womb of Kaushalya ? He, who is said to be the KAL (destroyer) of KAL (death), then why did none become subjugated himself before KAL?

Guru Gobind singh ji in Sri Dasam Granth sahib

[WaljinderSingh 834]

A character named Quantavius has become a huge troll. Stop feeding it.

Quantavius, take this as a warning. You were successful in sneaking through many barriers but now you are caught red handed. Don't question the authenticity of Dasam granth and draw parallels with other faiths. People on here are wise enough to understand what you are up to.

[GPS 1,327]

These people think that they are masters of world.they start such threads on purpose.

[Quantavius 141]

If you do not know about DG then why are you claiming that it draws parallel between Hinduism and sikhism and because of DG Hindus can claim sikhism as a sect

of Hinduism.

You do not make any sense. For your information if there is any granth that condemns Brahminism in entirety it is Sri Dasam Granth sahib.Please sit back and read from Dasam Granth

ਆਦਿ ਅਜੋਨਿ ਕਹਾਇ ਕਹੋ ਕਿਮ ਦੇਵਕਿ ਕੇ ਜਠਰੰਤਰ ਆਯੋ ॥ ਤਾਤ ਨ ਮਾਤ ਕਹੈ ਜਿਹ ਕੋ ਤਿਹ ਕਯੋਂ ਬਸੁਦੇਵਹਿ ਬਾਪੁ ਕਹਾਯੋ ॥੧੪॥

आदि अजोनि कहाइ कहो किम देवकि के जठरंतर आयो ॥ तात न मात कहै जिह को तिह कयों बसुदेवहि बापु कहायो ॥१४॥

He is said to be unborn and beginningless, then how did he come into the womb of Devaki ? He , who is considered without any father or mother, then why did he cause Vasudev to be called his father?14.

Sri Dasam Granth sahib

ਜੌ ਕਹੌ ਰਾਮ ਅਜੋਨਿ ਅਜੈ ਅਤਿ ਕਾਹੇ ਕੌ ਕੌਸ਼ਲ ਕੁੱਖ ਜਯੋ ਜੂ ॥ ਕਾਲ ਹੂੰ ਕਾਲ ਕਹੈ ਜਿਹਿ ਕੌ ਕਿਹਿ ਕਾਰਣ ਕਾਲ ਤੇ ਦੀਨ ਭਯੋ ਜੂ ॥

जौ कहौ राम अजोनि अजै अति काहे कौ कौशल कु्ख जयो जू ॥ काल हूं काल कहै जिहि कौ किहि कारण काल ते दीन भयो जू ॥

If we consider Ram, the Lord as Unborn, then how did he take brith from the womb of Kaushalya ? He, who is said to be the KAL (destroyer) of KAL (death), then why did none become subjugated himself before KAL?

Guru Gobind singh ji in Sri Dasam Granth sahib

The DG Ji is far more then what you have quoted.

In this very forum, we have one poster who justifies Hindu practices by quoting the DG Ji. I sometimes wonder if that poster is a Hindu or a Sikh.

[WaljinderSingh 834]

The DG Ji is far more then what you have quoted.

In this very forum, we have one poster who justifies Hindu practices by quoting the DG Ji. I sometimes wonder if that poster is a Hindu or a Sikh.

Stop playing games. You have exposed yourself enough. No need to hide behind Hindu-Sikh closet.

[ramghariasingh 29]

The DG Ji is far more then what you have quoted.

In this very forum, we have one poster who justifies Hindu practices by quoting the DG Ji. I sometimes wonder if that poster is a Hindu or a Sikh.

i think you should leave. are you anti dasam granth sukh? if yes then leave this forum. this forum is for sikhs and for those eho want to know more about sikhi not for those against gurmat philosophy. so leave. ADMIN PLEASE BAN THIS GUY.

[Akalifauj 900]

Vaheguru ji Ka Khalsa, Vaheguru ji Ki Fateh ji

Those lines confuse me a bit, because our Sri Guru Sahib jis are also indistinguishable from Sri Paramatma Sahib ji to myself, and their body allegedly was born from a mother and father who were humans as well..? So maybe the translation actually means that God is not exclusive to being "born" in just those scenarios, and that God is actually everywhere including there aka God was actually never born just exclusively as that scenario? Especially since we believe in Advaita.

Those who equate Krishna or Raam to any of the ten Gurus or hold them to the same high seat are trying to spread the worship of the dead. Krishna indulged in maya. Show me where any of the Gurus who fell into Maya? Krishna took on maya as his identity? Both Sri Guru Granth sahib ji and Sri Dasam Granth Sahib ji present this reality. Show me where in Gurbani it says the Gurus took on maya as their identity? The Gurus said Vaheguru you are my father and mother. And Krishna says Vasudev is my father which shows he was stuck in maya and couldn't see the forest for the trees.

[chatanga 1,058]

I think the hate actually has its antecedents from the colonial period.

It stemmed from how Sikhi was looked at. When the colonials came they looked at it through their western eyes. Their framework for education and research is structured was structured to this.

Sikhism is a complete rejection of Hinduism. There is no arguments here. Otherwise there is no need to create a new religion, just a sect within Hinduism.

I fail to see how colonialism affected the mindset of the average Sikh back then as most could not understand, read or even write English.

Sikhi is not a complete rejection of anything. It stands alone in its own right but shares some concepts with other religions. That doesn't make those religions totally false or Sikhi some kind of copy of those religions. Naam, dan and Ishnaan existed from the creation. These are core concepts of Sikhi. So is the tawhid of islam totalli in accordance with gurmat.

The coloniials didn't spread their thoughts in english. You know that yes?

Seeds of shunning dasam Granth are in Singh Sabha movement. In 1897 a sodhak committee was formed to evaluate it.though that resulted in standardization of Sri Dasam Granth sahib with unanimous approval of it being bani of Dasam pita yet question arises why they formed the committee.

The SS movement was a reaction to the activities of the arya Samaj in Panjab. The harder and louder they insisted the Sikhs were Hindus, the more the Sikhs began to purge their texts and practices of anything that was done also by the Hindus. Even today some still have this mentality, over the Bikrami calendar. It was used by the Hindus, we are not Hindus so therefore we "need" our own calendar and we split ourselves as a panth even further.

The committee was created to standardise the Granth. This again was a western concept. Standardisation and uniformity. Around this period the "Sikh" was standardised as well as the Granths. It also happened with Guru Granth Sahib as well. There were different saroops with different banis after Mundavni. This was looked at later and we have SGGS as we know it today.

If I was a Hindu that was hell bent on destroying Sikhims I would love Sri Dasam Granth Sahib Ji as I can draw parallels between Hinduism and Sikhism, and finally lay claim that Sikhism is a sect of Hinduism.

Yet the RSS quote extensively from SGGS to show that the Sikhs are Hindus, and none from Sri Dasme Patshah's Granth Sahib. ASk yourself why.

I'm sorry, I really don't know much about DG Ji other then there is a lot of controversy on it.

OK, you say this but then say...

The DG Ji is far more then what you have quoted.

You have made very bold assertions that the indian government can tie in the SIkhs with Hindus because of Sri Dasme Patshah's Granth Sahib but then say you don't know much about it.

That is intellectual dishonesty.

If you are not sure, then ask questions, do research, not come out with statements. Without malice, you have made yourself look very silly on this topic, not because of your knowledge about it, but the way you have approached it here.

[WaljinderSingh 834]

Krishan ji were the duaper yug avtar and were full fledged with 16 skills by Akaalpurkh ji. He, like other avtaars asked his followers to see him as Paarbrahm Parmeshr. Guru Sahibs , although sarb kla (all skills) samrath and one with the Lord, always preached being humble servant of Him and do pooja of Akaalpurkh.

[GPS 1,327]

The DG Ji is far more then what you have quoted.

In this very forum, we have one poster who justifies Hindu practices by quoting the DG Ji. I sometimes wonder if that poster is a Hindu or a Sikh.

Stop going after posters as these are not in Sri Dasam granth sahib. Focus on the content.

[GPS 1,327]

Vaheguru ji Ka Khalsa, Vaheguru ji Ki Fateh ji

Those lines confuse me a bit, because our Sri Guru Sahib jis are also indistinguishable from Sri Paramatma Sahib ji to myself, and their body allegedly was born from a mother and father who were humans as well..? So maybe the translation actually means that God is not exclusive to being "born" in just those scenarios, and that God is actually everywhere including there aka God was actually never born just exclusively as that scenario? Especially since we believe in Advaita.

In Hinduism they are absolute God. Avatar in Hinduism mean God comes to earth.there are so many denominations in them shivites,vaishnavs,sakats etc

Sikhism rejects that and consider these avatars as creation of akal purakh.

[dallysingh101 2,847]

It stemmed from how Sikhi was looked at. When the colonials came they looked at it through their western eyes. Their framework for education and research is structured was structured to this.

There was also a LOT of projection. They started to imagine Sikhs and Sikhi as they would have liked it, according to their own biases and values - and even more so according to their own economic and colonialist agenda. They found that they could easily mould a lot of Sikhs to their own purposes. And did.

[GPS 1,327]

Guru sahib writes

ਜੋ ਚਉਬੀਸ ਅਵਤਾਰ ਕਹਾਏ ॥

जो चउबीस अवतार कहाए ॥
Those who are called twenty-four incarnations;

ਤਿਨ ਭੀ ਤੁਮ ਪ੍ਰਭ ਤਨਿਕ ਨ ਪਾਏ ॥
तिन भी तुम प्रभ तनिक न पाए ॥
O Lord ! they even could not realise thee in a small measure;

ਸਭ ਹੀ ਜਗ ਭਰਮੇ ਭਵ ਰਾਯੰ ॥
सभ ही जग भरमे भव रायं ॥
They became kings of the world and got deluded;

ਤਾ ਤੇ ਨਾਮ ਬਿਅੰਤ ਕਹਾਯੰ ॥੭॥
ता ते नाम बिअंत कहायं ॥७॥
Therefore they were called by innumerable names.7.

Chaubis avtar, sri Dasam Granth sahib