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The Christian menace to Sikhi in Canada

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2 hours ago, Ranjeet01 said:

Why I am not allowed to talk about black folk?

I hope you are not trying to censor me.

You do come from a country where the 1st amendment is all important. 

Nothing I said was hate speech. 

You seem to have a tyrannical authoritarian streak in you.

You sound triggered bro. 

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As some of you may be aware, these Evangelical fanatics have a rather high level of organisation, which can be seen here: https://joshuaproject.net/

The amount of information and the breakdown is pretty shocking.

On a recent trip to Punjab I too noticed some of the things that have been mentioned in this thread. One of the things that stood out was the placement of their banners and such...many seemed to be in a place which I presume would be inaccessible without some potentially official assistance - electricity pylons. Including these huge banners I saw various other adverts pretty much everywhere. Even on smaller road traffic signs (particularly in pinds) I noticed quotes from the "Pavitar Bible" in Gurmukhi which had been cable tied.

The two worst examples was probably seeing banners in and around Anandpur Sahib and literally as soon as you get to the exit of Amritsar airport.

There most definitely need to be a concerted effort to nip this in the bud before the halaat of Punjab becomes like that of South India where the situation can only be described as terrible at best because they have converted a sizable minority of the indigenous population who shareh-aam preach outside temples and do kabjaa of temple lands.

A "koi naa kuch ni karde" attitude as apne (generally both Sikhs and Punjabi Hindus) over there have is extremely counterproductive to any proposed solutions...it seems it was this same liberal attitude which bit South Indians on the arse.

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10 hours ago, Ranjeet01 said:

Why I am not allowed to talk about black folk?

I hope you are not trying to censor me.

You do come from a country where the 1st amendment is all important. 

Nothing I said was hate speech. 

You seem to have a tyrannical authoritarian streak in you.

Ranjeet, how comes in all the plethora of problems we are facing as a panth, you still find time to vilify kalay like that? The worse they do is some street level crap: they aren't messing with our faith, or trying to undermine our culture, or trying to politically subvert/use us. And the street level crap they do, they do to each other more than anyone else. I'm proper baffled???

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13 minutes ago, dallysingh101 said:

Ranjeet, how comes in all the plethora of problems we are facing as a panth, you still find time to vilify kalay like that? The worse they do is some street level crap: they aren't messing with our faith, or trying to undermine our culture, or trying to politically subvert/use us. And the street level crap they do, they do to each other more than anyone else. I'm proper baffled???

Where have I vilified black people on this topic?

Your buddy GurjantGnostic took offence that black churches have pastors.  He found it racist that I pointed it out. And that the black community have a problem with dodgy pastors. It isn't even a critique, it is just a statement of fact.

If it is pointed that cousin marriages are common with Muslims ,does that make one Islamiphobic? Is that vilification? 

Besides, what the heck has street crime got to do with pastors? They are completely different.

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3 minutes ago, Ranjeet01 said:

Where have I vilified black people on this topic?

Your buddy GurjantGnostic took offence that black churches have pastors.  He found it racist that I pointed it out. And that the black community have a problem with dodgy pastors. It isn't even a critique, it is just a statement of fact.

If it is pointed that cousin marriages are common with Muslims ,does that make one Islamiphobic? Is that vilification? 

Besides, what the heck has street crime got to do with pastors? They are completely different.

Okay. I didn't read the whole thread.

In the words of the black comedian Eddie Griffin (paraphrase).

With black churches the priests will <banned word filter activated> your wife, with white ones, they'll <banned word filter activated> your kids.

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22 hours ago, GurjantGnostic said:

Oh and the 1st amendment allows and has always allowed for racist speech...it also allows me to point our you're a racist. 

Good for you.

I am going to use the 1st amendment and say that you are suffering from "white guilt "

 

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On 1/28/2020 at 8:33 AM, Guest Jigsaw_Puzzled_Singh said:

With you always being here, day or night, rain or shine, 24/7, 365 days a year...

Having departed from the forum at the end of June 2019 because I needed to enter a new field of work and had to re-train to learn some essential skills, I only returned to the Internet in general just prior to the New Year, so on that front I'm afraid you're completely off-target.

Shall we ask the mods to post records of who's logged in when and for how long? I'm sure the logs will absolve me of the very thing you're accusing me of. I have nothing to hide. You never agree to this whenever I suggest we do this. Why is that?

Unlike you, who wrote one of your usual self-aggrandising posts decrying the people on this forum for not huffing your farts to the extent that you'd like before departing for the umpteenth time in that feminine and overly dramatic way you feel compelled to behave, vowing never to return, what do I see when I return to this forum in December 2019?

JAGSAW NEVER LEFT, lmao. You lonely little scrote. You even stated before you turned tail -- and I paraphrase -- "if someone posts using my screen-name, then it isn't me." So, who am I talking to now, Jagsaw? Is it one of your clones?

Unlike you, my life doesn't revolve around the Internet. It's okay if your benefits don't cover your expenditure, and you need to spend your life trolling on internet forums for various organisations (Hope Not Hate? Socialist Worker? One of the U.N. affiliated organisations? Nah, too upmarket for you. I suppose you'd be lucky to have an active WordPress blog, lol), spreading disinformation and discord. I hear it's a well-paid profession for the dedicated.

And it's funny how you always seem to manufacture this fantasy scenario that I'm disabled. That, inadvertently, does reveal a lot about you. Psychologists call it "projection". I'm guessing you're disabled, hence why you've spent your entire life on this forum, and even when you've gone off in a huff, you haven't really gone anywhere, have you? You still lurk on here like the little undesirable spastic that you are, hour after hour, day after day, week after week... you get the picture.

So what is it, Jagsaw? What disability have you got? Physical or mildly psychological (aside from being a raging Trotsky devotee)? Is that how you managed to ensnare an '84 orphan? There were no takers in the UK I suppose.

You thought she'd be grateful; she'd forever worship the ground on which you trod. You assumed because you "saved" her from such a horrible past, that she'd grovel and thank you every day for being her saviour, her knight in tutti-stained armour. But that's not how it turned out, is it? She doesn't appreciate you at all; your untapped "genius" and all those quirks and foibles that make you what you are, completely undervalued and ignored. And whose fault is that? It's yours. You just wanted to virtue signal what a wonderful human being you are. You assumed you'd be able to laud it over her; to keep her in check. You wanted to be congratulated everywhere you went, but that's not how it worked out, is it, you mongoloid. 

You're just a meal-ticket; a vessel through which she obtained a plane ticket and a visa to the West. I bet that money she's been sending home all these decades (either with your knowledge or behind your back) is something you resent, too. Ultimately, that's all you are to her. Currency. If I were you, I too would spend my entire life on the Internet trying to escape the galling feeling of an empty existence devoid of any real connection and meaning.

Remember, I didn't marry an '84 orphan. I'm busy trying to make something of myself before committing to marriage. I'm also not disabled. So, there's no point in resorting to deflecting what I've said to you onto me like you usually do when you feel things are hitting a little too close to home. The above is all you, and you know it. I don't need you to admit any of it. The Force is strong with me, I can sense it, lmao. 

 

On 1/28/2020 at 8:33 AM, Guest Jigsaw_Puzzled_Singh said:

Remember, on this thread, I made people aware of a serious problem for our faith and then offered positive and meaningful solutions. You offered an argument. No solutions. No positive ideas. Just an argument. And when the seeds for an argument didn't exist. You just went ahead and started an argument anyway. Self-reflect on that. 

Never change, Jagsaw. You're good entertainment if nothing else. :)

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2 minutes ago, MisterrSingh said:

Having departed from the forum at the end of June 2019 because I needed to enter a new field of work and had to re-train to learn some essential skills, I only returned to the Internet in general just prior to the New Year, so on that front I'm afraid you're completely off-target.

Shall we ask the mods to post records of who's logged in when and for how long? I'm sure the logs will absolve me of the very thing you're accusing me of. I have nothing to hide. You never agree to this whenever I suggest we do this. Why is that?

Unlike you, who wrote one of your usual self-aggrandising posts decrying the people on this forum for not huffing your farts to the extent that you'd like before departing for the umpteenth time in that feminine and overly dramatic way you feel compelled to behave, vowing never to return, what do I see when I return to this forum in December 2019?

JAGSAW NEVER LEFT, lmao. You lonely little scrote. You even stated before you turned tail -- and I paraphrase -- "if someone posts using my screen-name, then it isn't me." So, who am I talking to now, Jagsaw? Is it one of your clones?

Unlike you, my life doesn't revolve around the Internet. It's okay if your benefits don't cover your expenditure, and you need to spend your life trolling on internet forums for various organisations (Hope Not Hate? Socialist Worker? One of the U.N. affiliated organisations? Nah, too upmarket for you. I suppose you'd be lucky to have an active WordPress blog, lol), spreading disinformation and discord. I hear it's a well-paid profession for the dedicated.

And it's funny how you always seem to manufacture this fantasy scenario that I'm disabled. That, inadvertently, does reveal a lot about you. Psychologists call it "projection". I'm guessing you're disabled, hence why you've spent your entire life on this forum, and even when you've gone off in a huff, you haven't really gone anywhere, have you? You still lurk on here like the little undesirable spastic that you are, hour after hour, day after day, week after week... you get the picture.

So what is it, Jagsaw? What disability have you got? Physical or mildly psychological (aside from being a raging Trotsky devotee)? Is that how you managed to ensnare an '84 orphan? There were no takers in the UK I suppose.

You thought she'd be grateful; she'd forever worship the ground on which you trod. You assumed because you "saved" her from such a horrible past, that she'd grovel and thank you every day for being her saviour, her knight in tutti-stained armour. But that's not how it turned out, is it? She doesn't appreciate you at all; your untapped "genius" and all those quirks and foibles that make you what you are, completely undervalued and ignored. And whose fault is that? It's yours. You just wanted to virtue signal what a wonderful human being you are. You assumed you'd be able to laud it over her; to keep her in check. You wanted to be congratulated everywhere you went, but that's not how it worked out, is it, you mongoloid. 

You're just a meal-ticket; a vessel through which she obtained a plane ticket and a visa to the West. I bet that money she's been sending home all these decades (either with your knowledge or behind your back) is something you resent, too. Ultimately, that's all you are to her. Currency. If I were you, I too would spend my entire life on the Internet trying to escape the galling feeling of an empty existence devoid of any real connection and meaning.

Remember, I didn't marry an '84 orphan. I'm busy trying to make something of myself before committing to marriage. I'm also not disabled. So, there's no point in resorting to deflecting what I've said to you onto me like you usually do when you feel things are hitting a little too close to home. The above is all you, and you know it. I don't need you to admit any of it. The Force is strong with me, I can sense it, lmao. 

 

Never change, Jagsaw. You're good entertainment if nothing else. :)

I don't think I have ever, in all my life, encountered any man or woman as bitter and hate-filled as yourself MisterSingh. You  truly are a sad little man - and it genuinely is very sad. I mean it. You may not be handicapped at all - I honestly believe you when you say you're not. I'm just pointing out to you that you certainly come across as someone that is. But that's perception and in so many ways that's directly linked to this thread of mine because as I've been saying over and again the Christians are growing bigger and stronger in Punjab because they have taken the time to analyse the way in which to alter perceptions about the character of Punjab. We all have perceptions about each other here. You and so many people here have on numerous occasions pointed out that they and you perceive me as a w**ker and t!t. That's fine with me....and on occasions, like my poetry thread, I even call myself a dungar dufus. Perceptions are fine by me because I'm fully confident in who I am and what I know. I never go after anybody but because I am perceived as a know it all others can't help but coming after me. It's a perpetual vicious circle. I write about things...people come along and start ruining my discussions by throwing abuse and starting arguments.....thus people then begin to perceive that arguments and jagsaw are closely related, i.e. Jagsaw = Argument - Banned.  That's fine with me. Like I said, I'm super confident with who I am - I know it borders on arrogance but I'm not in the business of changing perceptions about me. I know I know things and I'm here on this forum to share those things I know. There is nothing I can do to stop people deliberately starting arguments wherever I go on this forum and whatever I say. People (e.g you) have their own problems / issues and reasons for doing what they do. 

I have a few questions for you. It's up to you whether you want to answer them or not. To be honest it makes no difference now because at the end of page 14, once you had one of your funny little episodes and, right out of the blue, for no reason at all, made the conscious decision to ruin the discussion and start an  argument, the discussion and positive suggestions were over and done with anyway. So....the questions:

1) Even after what I said in my last message do you really still have no idea just how retarded you look to others when you use academic language and structure your sentences like Jacob Rees Mogg on an informal discussion forum for da yoots dem ?

2) What is it about someone raising the issue of the growing Christian movement in Punjab that made you angry and kill the discussion dead ?

3) When Ranjeet asked me for solutions to the problems and I gave him my answer (pasted again below) what is it inside of you that made you want to kill the discussion dead and provoke arguments instead ?

Any suggestions or solutions ?

Yes....we start with something simple - This is an ideal opportunity for all Punjabi Sikhs and Punjabi Hindus (including ravidassias) to come together, unite and work together.  Every Panchayat in every village in Punjab need to have discussions with their corresponding Tehsildars - make their concerns heard, i.e be on the look-out for and nip in the bud all attempts by Christians to purchase land around the firnis of each village. My understanding is that the land for these churches that have been springing up all over the place are being purchased by NRIs from North America who are very anxious and zealot about 'spreading the gospel of jesus' in Punjab.  When warning signs are triggered, i.e. the land is visible from main passing paved routes, the family are known to be Christian etc, the panchayat and tehsildar together must act to question the sale. None of this is new....What the Christians are doing in Punjab and how they're operating is not something new. I mentioned a few times on this thread - although nobody noticed - how the Christians in Punjab have taken a look at how the Sikhs have done things and copied the winning formula. Firstly, they took the  'our feelings and sentiments have been hurt' monster we created and ran with it for their own benefit, ensuring any criticism of them falls foul of criminal laws. Secondly, they looked at the purpose and position of the Nishan Sahib atop Gurdwaras across rural Punjab and ran with that too. They understood that by positioning the church and cross in strategic positions they could alter perceptions about the character of rural Punjab and by altering perceptions they were halfway there to conquering the mind. None of this is rocket science but all you guys on this thread talking absolute garbage need to start opening your eyes.

 

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Get a job, you f*****n cripple. Man's knocking on 50, and still refuses to grow up. Gtfo with your subversive antics. 

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Seems like theres alot of personal beef and agenda's in this thread and its going off on a tangent.

Lets get back to the discussion. If someone tries to provoke with personal attacks just ignore them and carry on with debate at hand.

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one of the things is that i don't think people see christianity as a threat because its historically been mostly linked with struggling, lower caste indians.   but this new wave of christianity in punjab is much stronger this time.  massive churches popping up every where, super rich pastors with high caste surnames, huge banners stuck up everywhere.   these people are on a mission     

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It sucks because panjab is changing. What with the biharis moving in and smoking every where  and now the Christian's. And sikhs still wanting to go valait. All I think we can really do is make sure we dont sell our ancestral land. And if we dont have any to buy some. Which sucks for the locals because prices skyrocket and land is useless. But who knows wat will happen in the west with the right and nationalism on the rise? We dont want to become the Jews in the next century. A nation of immigrants whose land is preoccupied and overtaken by foreigners. 

I hope all the middle aged ppl. ( the ones in their 50s )will want to retire in panjab in the next 10 to 20 years.  It will hopefully stem the change.

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49 minutes ago, Not2Cool2Argue said:

It sucks because panjab is changing. What with the biharis moving in and smoking every where  and now the Christian's. And sikhs still wanting to go valait. All I think we can really do is make sure we dont sell our ancestral land. And if we dont have any to buy some. Which sucks for the locals because prices skyrocket and land is useless. But who knows wat will happen in the west with the right and nationalism on the rise? We dont want to become the Jews in the next century. A nation of immigrants whose land is preoccupied and overtaken by foreigners. 

I hope all the middle aged ppl. ( the ones in their 50s )will want to retire in panjab in the next 10 to 20 years.  It will hopefully stem the change.

i agree 100%   sikhs should not sell their land at all!   a older retired Sikhs should start spending more time in punjab or even move back there,  that way it gives their kids a reason to visit back home and be more engaged with things over there. this way we also still have a ancestral land that we can return too.

we still own a couple of fields back in our pind, my thia started hogging them but eventually returned them back to us, whenever we go india the profit made from the fields is enough for our shopping and traveling for a month.  my parents also built a small house in our portion of the ancestral land (divided between my dad and his 2 brothers)   and my parents are planning to move there when they get retired, this way i will also continue visiting punjab.    coz we go every year my mum has made friends in the pind who even keep in touch with her once we come back to the UK.  i talk to some the singhs there as well  they know me now.  its important to go back and keep these ties and stay involved.   selling everything there is the stupidest thing you can do, especially considering our circumstances. 

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Like I was saying earlier, these younger guys from Surrey wont last in the game and they are usually the ones who are dying because of the lack of organization and connections.  Suminder getting killed was a big deal, a full patch HA has not been killed in BC like this ever. Someone was sending a message. Bottom line from what I have learned it is best to stay as legitimate as possible and not involve yourself or family in these things. The drug game is brutal. There are so many variables that could have massive repercussions on you and your family. I know so many who have died over the past 20 years, its really sickening to think about.    Suminders Funeral took place at Riverside Funeral home ( a place ran by Punjabis, where my grandfather had his service and many other of my family members)... It was a large funeral with many HA present.  https://vancouversun.com/news/crime/hells-angels-pay-respects-to-slain-biker-suminder-grewal    Brothers keepers founder Gavin Grewal killed:  https://www.abbynews.com/news/man-killed-in-north-vancouver-had-strong-links-to-abbotsford-gang-activity/ https://vancouversun.com/news/staff-blogs/real-scoop-guilty-pleas-in-brothers-keepers-gang-attack#:~:text=Two days after Brothers Keepers,to battle on Vancouver streets.&text=The attack was part of,to be an inside job. Shortly after he was killed his brother was also killed: https://vancouversun.com/news/local-news/murder-victim-brother-of-gang-boss-slain-last-december Example of low level Punjabi gangs going to Mexico to cut deals behind California Mexican Cartels back: https://vancouversun.com/news/crime/former-vancouver-gangster-murdered-in-mexico-after-brothers-killed-in-b-c https://vancouversun.com/news/crime/another-b-c-gangster-shot-to-death-in-mexico Hells Angels control the ports: https://nationalpost.com/news/metro-vancouver-docks-special-investigation-768024 http://www.vancouversun.com/news/Crime+Waterfront+When+Hells+Angel+nominates+another+Hells+Angel/11050005/story.html https://www.vice.com/en/article/bn3vnq/how-the-hells-angels-conquered-canada  
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