Why can't women do seva in Harminder Sahib?

[S1ngh]

3 minutes ago, Singh123456777 said:

This maryada was only started around the time of sgpc. Before that non amritdharis used to do kirtan as well.

I don’t think inside darbar sahib hall. Before SGPC, darbar sahib was under mahants control. 

[Guest]

They were still allowed to do kirtan inside darbar sahib before the sgpc

[jkvlondon]

11 hours ago, Mahakaal96 said:

Women can’t do seva for the same reason non of the 10 Guru’s were women, non of the 5 pyare were women, 15 Bhagats who have Bani in SGGS non of them are women, there’s no historical evidence that any woman was given khande batte Di pahul in 1699.... budhal dal & Hazoor Sahib still don’t! 

A number of our Gurus were given Gurgaddi at very young age.... meaning gurgaddi could be passed on to a male ‘child’ but still never a woman.

all you ‘equal rights’ banders, if you don’t like the Sikhi our Guru established please go somewhere else... stop trying to change Guru Sahibs Sikhi 

The only reason why sodhi vansh become shaheedan da vansh was umaang of Mata BHani ji ...it was her sewa da phaal and sense of selflessness ... it was all the Matavan going down the line which brought those jot into human form as they were deemed more than worthy , try getting your bitterness adjusted ....Ang223

ਗਉੜੀ ਮਹਲਾ ੧ ॥ गउड़ी महला १ ॥ Ga▫oṛī mėhlā 1. Gauree, First Mehl:

ਦੂਜੀ ਮਾਇਆ ਜਗਤ ਚਿਤ ਵਾਸੁ ॥ दूजी माइआ जगत चित वासु ॥ Ḏūjī mā▫i▫ā jagaṯ cẖiṯ vās. The duality of Maya dwells in the consciousness of the people of the world.

ਕਾਮ ਕ੍ਰੋਧ ਅਹੰਕਾਰ ਬਿਨਾਸੁ ॥੧॥ काम क्रोध अहंकार बिनासु ॥१॥ Kām kroḏẖ ahaʼnkār binās. ||1|| They are destroyed by sexual desire, anger and egotism. ||1||

ਦੂਜਾ ਕਉਣੁ ਕਹਾ ਨਹੀ ਕੋਈ ॥ दूजा कउणु कहा नही कोई ॥ Ḏūjā ka▫uṇ kahā nahī ko▫ī. Whom should I call the second, when there is only the One?

ਸਭ ਮਹਿ ਏਕੁ ਨਿਰੰਜਨੁ ਸੋਈ ॥੧॥ ਰਹਾਉ ॥ सभ महि एकु निरंजनु सोई ॥१॥ रहाउ ॥ Sabẖ mėh ek niranjan so▫ī. ||1|| rahā▫o. The One Immaculate Lord is pervading among all. ||1||Pause||

ਦੂਜੀ ਦੁਰਮਤਿ ਆਖੈ ਦੋਇ ॥ दूजी दुरमति आखै दोइ ॥ Ḏūjī ḏurmaṯ ākẖai ḏo▫e. The dual-minded evil intellect speaks of a second.

ਆਵੈ ਜਾਇ ਮਰਿ ਦੂਜਾ ਹੋਇ ॥੨॥ आवै जाइ मरि दूजा होइ ॥२॥ Āvai jā▫e mar ḏūjā ho▫e. ||2|| One who harbors duality comes and goes and dies. ||2||

ਧਰਣਿ ਗਗਨ ਨਹ ਦੇਖਉ ਦੋਇ ॥ धरणि गगन नह देखउ दोइ ॥ Ḏẖaraṇ gagan nah ḏekẖ▫a▫u ḏo▫e. In the earth and in the sky, I do not see any second.

ਨਾਰੀ ਪੁਰਖ ਸਬਾਈ ਲੋਇ ॥੩॥ नारी पुरख सबाई लोइ ॥३॥ Nārī purakẖ sabā▫ī lo▫e. ||3|| Among all the women and the men, His Light is shining. ||3||

ਰਵਿ ਸਸਿ ਦੇਖਉ ਦੀਪਕ ਉਜਿਆਲਾ ॥ रवि ससि देखउ दीपक उजिआला ॥ Rav sas ḏekẖ▫a▫u ḏīpak uji▫ālā. In the lamps of the sun and the moon, I see His Light.

ਸਰਬ ਨਿਰੰਤਰਿ ਪ੍ਰੀਤਮੁ ਬਾਲਾ ॥੪॥ सरब निरंतरि प्रीतमु बाला ॥४॥ Sarab niranṯar parīṯam bālā. ||4|| Dwelling among all is my ever-youthful Beloved. ||4||

ਕਰਿ ਕਿਰਪਾ ਮੇਰਾ ਚਿਤੁ ਲਾਇਆ ॥ करि किरपा मेरा चितु लाइआ ॥ Kar kirpā merā cẖiṯ lā▫i▫ā. In His Mercy, He attuned my consciousness to the Lord.

ਸਤਿਗੁਰਿ ਮੋ ਕਉ ਏਕੁ ਬੁਝਾਇਆ ॥੫॥ सतिगुरि मो कउ एकु बुझाइआ ॥५॥ Saṯgur mo ka▫o ek bujẖā▫i▫ā. ||5|| The True Guru has led me to understand the One Lord. ||5||

ਏਕੁ ਨਿਰੰਜਨੁ ਗੁਰਮੁਖਿ ਜਾਤਾ ॥ एकु निरंजनु गुरमुखि जाता ॥ Ėk niranjan gurmukẖ jāṯā. The Gurmukh knows the One Immaculate Lord.

ਦੂਜਾ ਮਾਰਿ ਸਬਦਿ ਪਛਾਤਾ ॥੬॥ दूजा मारि सबदि पछाता ॥६॥ Ḏūjā mār sabaḏ pacẖẖāṯā. ||6|| Subduing duality, one comes to realize the Word of the Shabad. ||6||

ਏਕੋ ਹੁਕਮੁ ਵਰਤੈ ਸਭ ਲੋਈ ॥ एको हुकमु वरतै सभ लोई ॥ Ėko hukam varṯai sabẖ lo▫ī. The Command of the One Lord prevails throughout all the worlds.

ਏਕਸੁ ਤੇ ਸਭ ਓਪਤਿ ਹੋਈ ॥੭॥ एकसु ते सभ ओपति होई ॥७॥ Ėkas ṯe sabẖ opaṯ ho▫ī. ||7|| From the One, all have arisen. ||7||

ਰਾਹ ਦੋਵੈ ਖਸਮੁ ਏਕੋ ਜਾਣੁ ॥ राह दोवै खसमु एको जाणु ॥ Rāh ḏovai kẖasam eko jāṇ. There are two routes, but remember that their Lord and Master is only One.

ਗੁਰ ਕੈ ਸਬਦਿ ਹੁਕਮੁ ਪਛਾਣੁ ॥੮॥ गुर कै सबदि हुकमु पछाणु ॥८॥ Gur kai sabaḏ hukam pacẖẖāṇ. ||8|| Through the Word of the Guru's Shabad, recognize the Hukam of the Lord's Command. ||8||

ਸਗਲ ਰੂਪ ਵਰਨ ਮਨ ਮਾਹੀ ॥ सगल रूप वरन मन माही ॥ Sagal rūp varan man māhī. He is contained in all forms, colors and minds.

ਕਹੁ ਨਾਨਕ ਏਕੋ ਸਾਲਾਹੀ ॥੯॥੫॥ कहु नानक एको सालाही ॥९॥५॥ Kaho Nānak eko sālāhī. ||9||5|| Says Nanak, praise the One Lord. ||9||5||

 

also Sorath mahala1  ang 599

ਜੋ ਅੰਤਰਿ ਸੋ ਬਾਹਰਿ ਦੇਖਹੁ ਅਵਰੁ ਨ ਦੂਜਾ ਕੋਈ ਜੀਉ ॥
जो अंतरि सो बाहरि देखहु अवरु न दूजा कोई जीउ ॥
Jo anṯar so bāhar ḏekẖhu avar na ḏūjā ko▫ī jī▫o.
He is within - see Him outside as well; there is no one, other than Him.

ਗੁਰਮੁਖਿ ਏਕ ਦ੍ਰਿਸਟਿ ਕਰਿ ਦੇਖਹੁ ਘਟਿ ਘਟਿ ਜੋਤਿ ਸਮੋਈ ਜੀਉ ॥੨॥
गुरमुखि एक द्रिसटि करि देखहु घटि घटि जोति समोई जीउ ॥२॥
Gurmukẖ ek ḏarisat kar ḏekẖhu gẖat gẖat joṯ samo▫ī jī▫o. ||2||
As Gurmukh, look upon all with the single eye of equality; in each and every heart, the Divine Light is contained. ||2||

ਚਲਤੌ ਠਾਕਿ ਰਖਹੁ ਘਰਿ ਅਪਨੈ ਗੁਰ ਮਿਲਿਐ ਇਹ ਮਤਿ ਹੋਈ ਜੀਉ ॥
चलतौ ठाकि रखहु घरि अपनै गुर मिलिऐ इह मति होई जीउ ॥
Cẖalṯou ṯẖāk rakẖahu gẖar apnai gur mili▫ai ih maṯ ho▫ī jī▫o.
Restrain your fickle mind, and keep it steady within its own home; meeting the Guru, this understanding is obtained.

ਦੇਖਿ ਅਦ੍ਰਿਸਟੁ ਰਹਉ ਬਿਸਮਾਦੀ ਦੁਖੁ ਬਿਸਰੈ ਸੁਖੁ ਹੋਈ ਜੀਉ ॥੩॥
देखि अद्रिसटु रहउ बिसमादी दुखु बिसरै सुखु होई जीउ ॥३॥
Ḏekẖ aḏrist raha▫o bismāḏī ḏukẖ bisrai sukẖ ho▫ī jī▫o. ||3||
Seeing the unseen Lord, you shall be amazed and delighted; forgetting your pain, you shall be at peace. ||3||

[Guest]

On 10/01/2018 at 6:45 AM, Guest Gnostic said:

Why can't women do seva in Harminder Sahib?

Cuz 

[Guest]

29 minutes ago, NonExistant said:

Cuz 

Exactly

[jkvlondon]

8 minutes ago, Singh123456777 said:

Exactly

just wish people had true faith in Guru ji not just what sant samaj and other guys want to promote...

[InderjitS]

7 minutes ago, Singh123456777 said:

Exactly

Badals cuz and you're  allowed

[GurjantGnostic]

Perhaps the guru's choice to be born male is more a comment on the state of humanity than on the quality and ability of women. 

They were qualified to be shaheed and bleed their last in Harminder Sahib. To think period blood is somehow spiritually impure is pretty archaic. Women do not cause themselves to bleed. That is the artifice of Vaheguru who is neither male nor female. 

[jkvlondon]

5 hours ago, GurjantGnostic said:

Perhaps the guru's choice to be born male is more a comment on the state of humanity than on the quality and ability of women. 

They were qualified to be shaheed and bleed their last in Harminder Sahib. To think period blood is somehow spiritually impure is pretty archaic. Women do not cause themselves to bleed. That is the artifice of Vaheguru who is neither male nor female. 

logically , men had greater freedoms in the world of that time ,I mean in the chauvanistic cesspool of the 15th century world women had zero power even in their homes,  let alone being free to roam as driven by the divine will to deliver the message . It took Guru Nanak Dev ji  to overturn that applecart of superstitious malevolence .

Just because they were not  Guru  that doesn't mean Bebe Nanaki wasn't brahmgiani , even Guru Teg Bahadur honoured her by establishing Anandpur in her name Chak Nanaki. It was her ardas that paved the way , never forget that and she was the first sikh , although people think mistakenly that Bhai Mardana ji was the first . She lived in hukham her whole life and propagated sikhi from where she was , whilst doing the duty given to her by Guru ji of looking after his children and home affairs.

I honestly think that people have decided to pick up the basket of stupid unenlightened superstitions of hindu mat that Guru Nanak Dev Gobind Singh ji knocked off our heads under the influence and onslaught of the majority faith and Christian mores which similarly condemn women from birth as agents of sin. To hear some speak they subscribe to brahmanical thought fully, that women have to be born as men before becoming brahmgian or moksh, Guru ji has shown this to be false many times and still does .

If a women can become brahmgiani they are more than capable of earning the daat of amrit , there's only one amrit and has only been one replacement of charan pahul authorised , that is Khande di pahul  anyone arguing with that needs to take it up with Guru Sahiban . To become a sikh one had to take charan pahul ...thus to become initiated into the sikh household one has to take pahul authorised by Guru ji . Prove that Guru ji said that there are two ... and I do not mean gurti because that is not valid in place of KHANDE DI PAHUL  , you are still expected to take Khande di baata da pahul according to the same sources describing it's administration.

For those who espose kirpan di amrit , do you really think Guru sahiban thought his daughters are weaker and thus incapable of doing full nitnem bania , to keep rehit etc then where's the difference between sikhi and the other faiths that condemn women before giving them a chance ? What about khande di pahul's requirement that both partners have to be fully rehitvaan gursikhs , if one is on a lesser requirement that immediately makes that a nonsense .

 

[Kaur72]

23 hours ago, Mahakaal96 said:

Women can’t do seva for the same reason non of the 10 Guru’s were women, non of the 5 pyare were women, 15 Bhagats who have Bani in SGGS non of them are women, there’s no historical evidence that any woman was given khande batte Di pahul in 1699.... budhal dal & Hazoor Sahib still don’t! 

A number of our Gurus were given Gurgaddi at very young age.... meaning gurgaddi could be passed on to a male ‘child’ but still never a woman.

all you ‘equal rights’ banders, if you don’t like the Sikhi our Guru established please go somewhere else... stop trying to change Guru Sahibs Sikhi 

Here we go. Another one.. hasn’t got admission in Guru Nanak ji’s school and don’t think will ever get..