Can a Non-Keshadhari Sikh be the representative/Spokesperson of our Sikh religion (also social religious issues)?

[Sewadar]

Can a Non-Keshadhari Sikh be the representative of our Sikh religion (including in our social religious issues)?

[Guest]

No ! This just opens flood doors for manmukhs and RSS agents . 

[GuestKaur2]

2 hours ago, ADMIN said:

Can a Non-Keshadhari Sikh be the representative of our Sikh religion (including in our social religious issues)?

When a person becomes a religious leader/representative then he/she becomes the inspiration of many. If there is a non-keshadari Sikh then it will be seen as more acceptable to not keep kesh. This is not right, by keeping kesh we are showing Vaheguru that we accept every single hair on our body as a blessing. So no, it is not right for a non-keshadari to become a representative of Sikhi.

[namespace]

I do not believe so.  Maybe this person chooses to trim the beard or bodily hair?  Yes perhaps.  If they keep it short as most people around the world do then no!  Kesh is what our Guru told us to keep, plain and simple.  If you do not have 5 ks then you shouldn't represent the Guru.

...I also think that if you do not dress in all dark blue/yellow and do not carry a full length kirpan, and kara on both arms then you shouldn't be a spokesperson either.

[MrDoaba]

This isn’t a straightforward question. And the answer IMO isn’t black and white.

Firstly not every mona fits the stereotype, and not every Kesdhari/Amritdhari is a pious, saintly person either. The fact is there are non-Kesdharis in the Panth and if my memory serves me right, there always have been; I’m pretty sure there is even a separate Maryada created for such persons.

On the one hand we have all seen many examples of individuals becoming Kesdhari/Amritdhari to abuse their position...everybody knows there are pakhandis who aren’t real Singh/Singhnis but simply have the garb, or, people who think by merely being Kesdhari/Amritdhari “they are da bomb”. On the other hand though, there is a basic standard of who is representative of the Khalsa and one facet of this is undoubtedly Kes. The mahanta given to Kes is great and well known.

A dilemma indeed.

There is so much to weigh up, many pro and cons...there is almost too much to take into account and too many variables in order to make a blanket rule or universal decision.

I think some key factors in determining whether or not a non-Kesdhari can be a spokesman for Sikhi and Sikhi-related issues are, including but not limited to: subject/topic being addressed, environment/location, target audience, level of knowledge/skills.

Personally I do believe in some situations they should be allowed and this decision should be based on merit. It shouldn’t be limited to being Kesdhari or not. Why turn someone away if they have Sharda/Bhaavna in Sikhi and they have a skill set which can be utilised for Panthic causes?

We should learn to work together and compromise.

Making a list of non-Kesdharis who have furthered the interests of the Panth and have created a positive impact on behalf of the Panth might be a good idea.

 

Gurbar Akaal!

[GurjantGnostic]

Good answers. I went with no for THE representative but would say yes to A representative. 

[genie]

RSS and other non-Sikh agents easily infiltrate Sikh orgs its not a problem for them. Just need to grow kesh, a beard and put on a pagh and can do what the hell they want like they have been doing since the days of Sikh raj.Just as badal akali party, neo-Akal takht jathedhars and SGPC leaders do currently. They have no love for Sikhi or spreading Sikhi they quite happy to live and serve under non-sikh rule and subjugation in their own Sikh homeland, madness.

The most powerful and destructive keshdhari non-sikh forces in the Sikh empire were the kesdhari hindu dogra prime minister and keshdhari brahmin hindu generals (lal singh and tej singh) of the Khalsa army. The biggest killers of Sikh youths in late 90s early 1990s punjab was keshdhari DGP KPS Gill and congress chief minister keshdhari beant singh. The one who betrayed the Sikhs by not getting them a separate country but siding with joining Indian Union was Keshdhari Master Tara singh (a so called hindu convert to sikhi). There are videos on youtube of sly punjabi christians posing in turban and long beard urging Sikhs to become christian.

So answer to question is yes all monay/sehajdhari Sikhs should be allowed to hold offices in Sikh institutions and be spokesmen, their actions and words will justify if they have interests and love for Sikhs and Sikhi or are fake Sikhs like their counterparts in daastar disguise like the keshdhari ones.

[jkvlondon]

1 hour ago, genie said:

RSS and other non-Sikh agents easily infiltrate Sikh orgs its not a problem for them. Just need to grow kesh, a beard and put on a pagh and can do what the hell they want like they have been doing since the days of Sikh raj.Just as badal akali party, neo-Akal takht jathedhars and SGPC leaders do currently. They have no love for Sikhi or spreading Sikhi they quite happy to live and serve under non-sikh rule and subjugation in their own Sikh homeland, madness.

The most powerful and destructive keshdhari non-sikh forces in the Sikh empire were the kesdhari hindu dogra prime minister and keshdhari brahmin hindu generals (lal singh and tej singh) of the Khalsa army. The biggest killers of Sikh youths in late 90s early 1990s punjab was keshdhari DGP KPS Gill and congress chief minister keshdhari beant singh. The one who betrayed the Sikhs by not getting them a separate country but siding with joining Indian Union was Keshdhari Master Tara singh (a so called hindu convert to sikhi). There are videos on youtube of sly punjabi christians posing in turban and long beard urging Sikhs to become christian.

So answer to question is yes all monay/sehajdhari Sikhs should be allowed to hold offices in Sikh institutions and be spokesmen, their actions and words will justify if they have interests and love for Sikhs and Sikhi or are fake Sikhs like their counterparts in daastar disguise like the keshdhari ones.

just as a nihang has to earn bana by sewa and displaying santokh and nimrata , same way how about mona sikhs have to prove their loyalties and konwledge of sikhi first before being given any role that could harm the sikh youth and its future (in this I am also including paghwale keshadhari who have not become khalsa)

Anyone trying to conflate/alter gurbani arth to pro-hinduvta propaganda will be named and shamed and become persona non grata for the panth

[MrDoaba]

6 minutes ago, jkvlondon said:

mona sikhs have to prove their loyalties and konwledge of sikhi

How?

6 minutes ago, jkvlondon said:

(in this I am also including paghwale keshadhari who have not become khalsa

So are you saying those who have taken Amrit have automatically proved their loyalties and knowledge of Sikhi?

[Singh559]

Simple answer is no. If you reading history or even read Panth Parkash you'll see that kesh was the bare minimum to be considered a mimic Sikh. A Khalsa was always referred to a true Sikh by all our forefathers in their texts whether it is Gurpartap Suraj Granth or Panth Parkash.

The sahajdhari Rahitnama by Guru Gobind Singh allows converts from non-Sikh background to trim their hair, but their kids were required to be Khalsa and initiated. This made a transitionary period for people to fully commit their lineages to the Khalsa and become Sikhs.

The puratan hipster gang that is infesting the youth haven't read basic history that talks about Udassis being fringe groups that did have relations with the Khalsa, but they were not seen as Sikhs nor did they have any special favor. The penultimate goal of Guru Gobind Singh Sahib with the Khalsa was to create a Khalsa society that stretched all across the region that stretched well across Punjab and well beyond. The rigidity of religious beliefs was required to push forward the syncretic and Truly Universal Message from Vaheguru of Sri Guru Granth Sahib and Guru Sahib knew this. There's a reason why diaspora Hindus have no unity and why weak religious structured people fall apart and lose the test of time.

 

When I was a mona I still considered myself a Sikh in a sense that I saw my own shortcoming and non-Sikh activity of being a mona despite being born into it. Always wanted to eventually keep kesh and acknowledged my own shortcomings. Even now, after keeping kesh, that doesn't mean I've achieved anything. The common denominator is looking at Sikhi from a lower place as something that despite being flawed, we can acknwoeldge a sort of a standard for.

 

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