The Sikh Revolution by Jagjit Singh

[dallysingh101]

1 hour ago, jkvlondon said:

any ideas where we can get a full copy ?

There's a link in the first post of the thread. 

[dallysingh101]

On 2/6/2020 at 8:54 PM, Not2Cool2Argue said:

That the other castes are inferior. Supporting their rights and elevating them will cause choas. That most of the crimes, riots, gang rapes are done by low caste ppl. They have no inhibition and the more free they are of poverty the more chance they have of causim damage.

Where do you think that falls on your spectrum? 

 

Simple. Don't think like your father. I'm pretty sure he may be a sociopath. 

[dallysingh101]

Point to anyone reading it. With this book here, it's well important to read the appendices too. That's some of the most important stuff and the author powerfully challenges the casteist theories that have been inserted into Sikh studies literature by both 'Sikhs' and outsiders like McLeod. 

[Suchi]

On 4/15/2021 at 4:26 PM, dallysingh101 said:

So anyone read it? 

What they think?

 

I've looked at the content section and started to read the section on caste. 

However I did not see any explanation of the difference between caste/varna without which the book is incomplete. 

Also, I have read that there was no Bhakti Movement in the medieval period prior to Guru Nanak's Sufi influence.  Buddhism and Jainism were and still are considered as part of Hinduism as neither had a separate treatise. Both of these offer their own types of meditations. I have read that both came into being around 4000 years ago.

Sufism itself was discovered by an Islamic slave who rebelled against Islam's strict code of conduct and hence why Sufis were considered heretics.

So until I have cleared this up in my mind there would be no point in picking up this book. 

 

[dallysingh101]

On 8/19/2021 at 9:15 AM, Suchi said:

I've looked at the content section and started to read the section on caste. 

However I did not see any explanation of the difference between caste/varna without which the book is incomplete. 

Caste (in an Indian context) is just the european name given to the manusmitri aparteid system. Not complicated.  

 

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Also, I have read that there was no Bhakti Movement in the medieval period prior to Guru Nanak's Sufi influence.  Buddhism and Jainism were and still are considered as part of Hinduism as neither had a separate treatise. Both of these offer their own types of meditations. I have read that both came into being around 4000 years ago.

I think you've read very selective saffron agenda texts myself. The literature of the Bhakti movement speaks for itself.

 

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Sufism itself was discovered by an Islamic slave who rebelled against Islam's strict code of conduct and hence why Sufis were considered heretics.

And I have to take your word for that do I? Who knows anyway? It's not like Rumi wasn't a historical figure. 

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So until I have cleared this up in my mind there would be no point in picking up this book.

I've never really posted it for people like yourself, it was more for the people in the panth bro.   

[dallysingh101]

Bump this one up again. Required reading. Make sure you read the appendices too. 

[Jai Tegang!]

Other than the pdf link, is there a print version available on some site? I guess I'm still old skool with a preference for hard copy.

[dallysingh101]

52 minutes ago, Jai Tegang! said:

Other than the pdf link, is there a print version available on some site? I guess I'm still old skool with a preference for hard copy.

I hear you! I have my hard copy and it is years old. More than a decade. These things go out of print, and as we know, because many apnay are allergic to reading, they don't get reprinted in new editions. I think even more so these days because you get free online versions. Even when reprinted, they only normally print a small batch like a 1000.

I think I got my copy from The Sikh Missionary Centre in Southall a long long time ago? Don't know if you have any book stores in Canada like this?   Even if you find a fair condition, second hand printed edition, jump on it. 

The book is probably (in my eyes) one of THE most important ones on Sikhi written in English, not 'modren Sikhism'.

The author and his mentors credentials are impeccable. 

I'm slowly (after years of reluctance) starting to use pdf/online editions of works these days, It's not the same as having the book in your hand and being able to stick post it notes in (or fold the page corners) on particularly relevant parts. But I have discovered some advantages to electronic versions in that you can screen shot important pages and share them online rapidly, as opposed to faffing around for ages on scanners. 

 

PS - If you have relatives back home, they might be able to get a copy for you? I think IOSS in Chandigarh is a good bet. 

You might have to check second book sellers. 

[dallysingh101]

@Jai Tegang!

Places like these.

https://www.abebooks.com/servlet/SearchResults?isbn=&an=jagjit singh&tn=sikh revolution perspective view&n=100121503&cm_sp=mbc-_-ats-_-used 

[Premi5]

1 hour ago, dallysingh101 said:

@Jai Tegang!

Places like these.

https://www.abebooks.com/servlet/SearchResults?isbn=&an=jagjit singh&tn=sikh revolution perspective view&n=100121503&cm_sp=mbc-_-ats-_-used 

Anyone knows any wealthy Sikhs who are into literature and publishing ?

It looks like a good read, these type of books need to kept alive