Delhi riots: Mosque set on fire

[Ranjeet01]

30 minutes ago, genie said:

No one saying is you can't help those in need if they come to you for help. What we are saying we should not go out of our way to help those who will turn around and slap you around your face once they aren't in danger any more. It's like when people try to help break up a fight between 2 morons and what usually happens is that the person in the middle the have a go hero usually ends up getting beaten up himself or stabbed and killed. The guru's gave us the example of helping the downtrodden.... 160 million strong indian muslim community with 50 muslim countries to their name, 1.6 billion population are not the weak and downtrodden. The Sikhs are the weak and downtrodden 30 million population and no country to their name. The dalits are downtrodden, non-muslim minorities afghanistan, bangladesh, pakistan are downtrodden, etc,etc. No Guru's never went out of their way to help a religious community that didnt ask Guru sahibs for help. Guru's waited until those in need came to them for help, otherwise they would have been taken for a joke and soft touch going around trying to help mans who didnt ask for help while their own sikhs were weak, oppressed, no Sikh land to their name and getting persecuted to death.

The liberal cuck lefty Sikhs have yet to learn the lesson the hard way maybe 1984 wasn't enough for these type of Sikhs as a wake up call to realise that we have no real friends or allies out there. We are out on our own and we need to unite and look out for our own first ALWAYS.

 

It is called enlightened self interest. You cannot help others if you cannot help yourself first. 

Jkv wants Sikh men to sacrifice their lives to protect muslim women.

I bet those Sikh sisters, wives and mothers would be so greatful for Jkv's advice. 

[GurjantGnostic]

Your ancestors protected anyone and everyone from their abundance of virtue, fearlessness, and power.

[GurjantGnostic]

In terms of self interest you can't let anything happen to anyone you don't want done to your own kin.

Because it will..wait a second...again...

[jkvlondon]

15 hours ago, proactive said:

Yes but before you do that at least find if the ones you want to support are truly downtrodden and oppressed. In areas where the Indian Muslims are a minority then they will be oppressed but in places where they have a good minority or a majority they are quite capable and willing to be the oppressors. We need to use our brains rather than be emotional and start to support Muslims just because their propaganda of being victims in every situation. You don't need to look far to see what the true intentions are. Last March Sikhs protected thousands of Muslim Kashmiri women who were in real danger of being molested or worse all over India. And how did Muslims thanks us, by kidnapping and forcibly converting the daughter of the Granthi in Nankana Sahib. 

the particular girl had been tagged by the family who kidnapped her years before when she was 12  so let's not try to make fake connections . The girl's kidnapping happened before Langha opened , before Kashmir curfew before we rescued any girl or boy . That is the truth . The individual family were scum , that's why the brother tried to incite stoning of Nankana Sahib. He was arrested and done for terrorism.

Since when do we do things which are good only for reward? where's the nishkam sewa ? Didn't realise compassion had a price tag ...

[Akalifauj]

20 minutes ago, proactive said:

The best answer to your SJW bukwas is The Donald's reading of this poem. I doubt you will understand the meaning of the poem and that is why one day reality will bite you on the backside because the world will always punish the gullible and the naïve. 

 

 

Didn't Sri Guru Gobind Singh Sahib ji know gangu was a snake?  Sri Guru Hargobind Sahib ji punished chandu Shah, gangu's religious brother (both were hindu), for the shaheedi of Sri Guru Arjun Dev ji.  

@genie what does it matter if the hindu pandits asked for help?  When chandu Shah, the religious brother of the Kashmiri pandits, had set up the shaheedi of Sri Guru Arjun Dev ji.  Sri Guru Tegh Bahadur Sahib ji should have known, his Sikhs are out numbered and they need a soorma, like Sri Guru Tegh Bahadur Sahib ji.   After all he didn't receive this name for no reason. But this not what happened.  Guru Sahib gave his head basically for an enemy of the past and future.

@MisterrSingh it's no fantasy world.  Even when bhai kanhaiya ji was giving water to the enemy on the battlefield,  Sri Guru Gobind Singh Sahib ji was out numbered.  Even when the Singh were rescuing hindu women from brothels,  they were out numbered and still helped the people of a religion that will fight them in the next hour.  The Sikhs have been always out numbered.  But from the first Guru to the 11th, the Sikhs have put their neck on the line to help innocent people being mistreated or killed.  In 1984 genocide of Sikhs in dehli after the assassination of indra Gandhi, very few hindu families helped by saving Sikh lives. Even the famous Sant Jarnail Singh ji Khalsa Bhindranwale said in an discussion with a hindu, he would do whatever it takes to help  child being murdered.   Sant ji will only accept it as God's will if, after trying to break free, he could not, then its God's hukam.

[MisterrSingh]

1 hour ago, jkvlondon said:

one question : why was Bhai Taru Singh Punished ? Were there any less muslims ?

Do you honestly expect me to give you a spiritual, historical, and sociological breakdown of the difference between then and now, as if you don't already know. So why are you playing the hatchling? Does Gurbani tell us to bury our head in the sand and never heed lessons from past experiences and history? How do YOU reconcile the hukamnama or bachan where Guru Sahib says never trust a "Turk" with what they instructed in the situation you're basing your argument upon? So there's caveats? Who decides when to trust a Turk and when not to?

[GurjantGnostic]

Remember goodness is what you do that doesn't benefit you. 

[jkvlondon]

1 minute ago, MisterrSingh said:

Do you honestly expect me to give you a spiritual, historical, and sociological breakdown of the difference between then and now, as if you don't already know. So why are you playing the hatchling? Does Gurbani tell us to bury our head in the sand and never heed lessons from past experiences and history? How do YOU reconcile the hukamnama where Guru Sahib says never trust a "Turk" with what they instructed in the situation you're basing your argument upon? So there's caveats? Who decides when to trust a Turk and when not to?

look if you guys are going to drag religion into whether or not people deserve saving , I will bring up Gursikhs who do the right thing no matter the personal cost because we do as sikhs should do , not what society thinks we should do .

[jkvlondon]

8 minutes ago, MisterrSingh said:

Do you honestly expect me to give you a spiritual, historical, and sociological breakdown of the difference between then and now, as if you don't already know. So why are you playing the hatchling? Does Gurbani tell us to bury our head in the sand and never heed lessons from past experiences and history? How do YOU reconcile the hukamnama where Guru Sahib says never trust a "Turk" with what they instructed in the situation you're basing your argument upon? So there's caveats? Who decides when to trust a Turk and when not to?

1. it is still kalyug as it was then

2. He said also to never trust ANYONE who gives a saugand, kasam, soun on any Granth or pir/pegumbar so that precludes hindus who were the majority of the army attacking guru ji at Chamkaur Sahib also, the INC primos also gave saugand, Captain Amrinder gave soun the list of examples is long.

3. I don't trust anyone until I see them in action , because talk is cheap.

[genie]

22 minutes ago, Ranjeet01 said:

It is called enlightened self interest. You cannot help others if you cannot help yourself first.

Exactly and we are in no position of helping others when we ourselves are in the weakest position of all religious communities within india. We are seen as harmless, soft, sellouts, jokers, backup dancers and left wing cuck liberal virtue signalers now

When sold out akal takht jathedhar says to help the muslim victims of the riots but not the hindu victims he makes us look stupid  and biased islamophiles by not reaching out to all affected.

We Sikhs should not even entertain this mess let the idiots try sort out the mess themselves they got themselves into. Siding with one side or another just further weakens our position.