Akal Takht Jathedar says every Sikh wants Khalistan

[proactive 1,737]

Interesting view expressed by the Akal Takht Jathedar. I remember when Jasbir Singh Rode was acknowledged as Akal Takht Jathedar in 1988 his only response to the media's question about whether he was for Khalistan was to muddy the waters and say that he was for Pooran Azaadi as if Pooran Azadi was different from Khalistan. This was at a time when the Kharkoos virtually ruled Punjab and the Punjab police was cooped up behind barbed wire and in bunkers. 

https://www.hindustantimes.com/cities/every-sikh-wants-khalistan-will-accept-it-if-government-offers-akal-takht-jathedar/story-GIo3eft11db6YW2K4D4fII.html

 

 

[MisterrSingh 3,645]

It depends on the definition of Sikh he's using. I've come across many, many people from Sikh families who despise the Sikh separatist movement. Our leaders should be aware of these issues, and not feign ignorance. 

[Premi5 193]

2 hours ago, MisterrSingh said:

It depends on the definition of Sikh he's using. I've come across many, many people from Sikh families who despise the Sikh separatist movement. Our leaders should be aware of these issues, and not feign ignorance. 

I doubt more than 10-20% Sikhs really  want Khalistan

 

https://www.sikh24.com/2020/06/06/uttra-pradesh-saw-40-times-more-violence-related-deaths-in-early-1980s-compared-to-punjab/#.Xtt1A0VKjIU

Uttra Pradesh Saw 40 Times More Violence Related Deaths in Early 1980s Compared to Punjab

By Sikh24 Editors -

 

June 6, 2020

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CHANDIGARH, Punjab—Some documents have surfaced over social media about the statistics of deaths occurred in Punjab from March-1981 to June-1984 due to violence and the volume of cognizable crimes occurred in all states of India during 1983. The first document was published by the Indian government in ‘White Paper on The Punjab Agitation’.  

Interestingly, this statistic reveals that only 458 deaths occurred in Punjab from March-1981 to June-1984 as compared to the 17470 deaths due to violence in Uttar Pradesh. 

It means that the deaths occurred in Punjab due to violence were only 2.62% of the total deaths occurred in Uttar Pradesh during this period. 

Out of the total 458 deaths occurred in Punjab due to violence, only 132 Hindus were Hindus while the others were either Sikhs or Nirankari. 

It is contrary to the then Indian government’s claim which started preparations for attacking the holiest Sikh shrine Sri Harmandir Sahib in 1981 while citing a large number of deaths due to violence in Punjab, especially Hindus. 

Another document reveals that the Punjab state was standing second last in terms of the volume of cognizable offenses that occurred in 1983. 

In 1983, there were only 79.2 cognizable crimes per lakh in Punjab while the Madhya Pradesh was standing first in this concern with 303 cognizable crimes per lakh. 

These documents make it clear that the Sikhs were specifically targeted by the Indian government without any solid reason. The state of Punjab was presented as a violence dominated state under a highly deliberated policy so that the Sikhs could be oppressed by demolishing their holiest Sikh shrine. 

[MisterrSingh 3,645]

16 minutes ago, Premi5 said:

I doubt more than 10-20% Sikhs really  want Khalistan.

We NEED a Sikh country for our long-term survival. But if it's populated exclusively by the likes of Sheikh AkaliFauj, it'll be another third-world 5hit-hole within 5 years.

[puzzled 2,251]

2 minutes ago, MisterrSingh said:

We NEED a Sikh country for our long-term survival.

Do you reckon? Not that I'm against it 

How do we know that your average sikhs from the pind would be in a better situation in Khalistan than they are now? 

[Ranjeet01 1,680]

6 minutes ago, puzzled said:

Do you reckon? Not that I'm against it 

How do we know that your average sikhs from the pind would be in a better situation in Khalistan than they are now? 

I think it is more to have your own sovereignty and have control over your own affairs. 

Our people need some political entity to fall back on.

What I have learnt is that it is no point having economic power if you cannot have political power to go with it.

[shastarSingh 364]

khalistan won't be ideal but it will be much better than present Indian occupied punjab.

the amritdhari Singhs will be armed and it won't be easy for leaders to fool the masses.

KHALISTAN ZINDABAD!

[MisterrSingh 3,645]

Just now, puzzled said:

Do you reckon? Not that I'm against it 

How do we know that your average sikhs from the pind would be in a better situation in Khalistan than they are now? 

I'm looking at it from a cultural and religious identity point of view. Equally, I don't think we should be under any misapprehensions that having our own land will automatically solve all our problems. The people will have a huge role to play in increasing prosperity. Loafing around on motorbikes with no purpose, or holing yourself up doing nothing but paath all day isn't going to elevate the nation.

[puzzled 2,251]

What about remaining in india but having our own sikh government governing the area of pubjab with no interference from the central government? I thinks theres a name for this kind of country? 

What's Rome? Isnt Rome like it's own city/state within italy? 

Wouldn't something like that be better? 

Dont think india will allow that because there are so many other communities/ethnicities that will want the same. 

[ipledgeblue 163]

28 minutes ago, puzzled said:

What about remaining in india but having our own sikh government governing the area of pubjab with no interference from the central government? I thinks theres a name for this kind of country? 

What's Rome? Isnt Rome like it's own city/state within italy? 

Wouldn't something like that be better? 

Hong Kong was something like that until recently....

I guess Kashmir too, but there's way too many terrorists there

[Jai Tegang! 71]

4 hours ago, MisterrSingh said:

We NEED a Sikh country for our long-term survival. But if it's populated exclusively by the likes of Sheikh AkaliFauj, it'll be another third-world 5hit-hole within 5 years.

Very important for EVERY sikh to understand this. We've seen other minority religions disappear or reduce to obsolete, all which lacked a nation state.

Even if it's landlocked with a hundred different problems, it'll still enable our survival. I just hope we as a whole community can see this, irrespective of our religiousness. Coming together and aspiring for it is a good first step. Think long term strategy, instead of pumped up rhetoric. 

[MisterrSingh 3,645]

3 minutes ago, Jai Tegang! said:

Very important for EVERY sikh to understand this. We've seen other minority religions disappear or reduce to obsolete, all which lacked a nation state.

Even if it's landlocked with a hundred different problems, it'll still enable our survival. I just hope we as a whole community can see this, irrespective of our religiousness. Coming together and aspiring for it is a good first step. Think long term strategy, instead of pumped up rhetoric. 

I was thinking about this issue yesterday, and I almost blurted out to myself, "Even Somalia have their own country. SOMALIA, for Christ's sake!"

[genie 1,630]

7 hours ago, proactive said:

Interesting view expressed by the Akal Takht Jathedar. I remember when Jasbir Singh Rode was acknowledged as Akal Takht Jathedar in 1988 his only response to the media's question about whether he was for Khalistan was to muddy the waters and say that he was for Pooran Azaadi as if Pooran Azadi was different from Khalistan. This was at a time when the Kharkoos virtually ruled Punjab and the Punjab police was cooped up behind barbed wire and in bunkers. 

https://www.hindustantimes.com/cities/every-sikh-wants-khalistan-will-accept-it-if-government-offers-akal-takht-jathedar/story-GIo3eft11db6YW2K4D4fII.html

 

 

Even though he is a puppet of the indian establishment. He knows that majority of Sikhs support khalistan in one form or another. Any one who wants his community to survive and have a voice in the world would be m0ronic or mad not to want a country to safeguard their community.

5 hours ago, Premi5 said:

I doubt more than 10-20% Sikhs really  want Khalistan

 

https://www.sikh24.com/2020/06/06/uttra-pradesh-saw-40-times-more-violence-related-deaths-in-early-1980s-compared-to-punjab/#.Xtt1A0VKjIU

Uttra Pradesh Saw 40 Times More Violence Related Deaths in Early 1980s Compared to Punjab

By Sikh24 Editors -

 

June 6, 2020

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CHANDIGARH, Punjab—Some documents have surfaced over social media about the statistics of deaths occurred in Punjab from March-1981 to June-1984 due to violence and the volume of cognizable crimes occurred in all states of India during 1983. The first document was published by the Indian government in ‘White Paper on The Punjab Agitation’.  

Interestingly, this statistic reveals that only 458 deaths occurred in Punjab from March-1981 to June-1984 as compared to the 17470 deaths due to violence in Uttar Pradesh. 

It means that the deaths occurred in Punjab due to violence were only 2.62% of the total deaths occurred in Uttar Pradesh during this period. 

Out of the total 458 deaths occurred in Punjab due to violence, only 132 Hindus were Hindus while the others were either Sikhs or Nirankari. 

It is contrary to the then Indian government’s claim which started preparations for attacking the holiest Sikh shrine Sri Harmandir Sahib in 1981 while citing a large number of deaths due to violence in Punjab, especially Hindus. 

Another document reveals that the Punjab state was standing second last in terms of the volume of cognizable offenses that occurred in 1983. 

In 1983, there were only 79.2 cognizable crimes per lakh in Punjab while the Madhya Pradesh was standing first in this concern with 303 cognizable crimes per lakh. 

These documents make it clear that the Sikhs were specifically targeted by the Indian government without any solid reason. The state of Punjab was presented as a violence dominated state under a highly deliberated policy so that the Sikhs could be oppressed by demolishing their holiest Sikh shrine. 

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The punjabi hindu extremists from shiv sena punjab amoung others those who started the whole state movement against Sikhs are agents of the same indian establishment that took part in the lies and propaganda to demonise the Sikhs and their cause for justice and civil rights. 35,000 punjabi hindus murdered is the lie they spread. When government figures themselves shows less than 500 hindus were killed compared to 250,000 Sikhs dissappeared by the state.

[KhoonKaBadlaKhoon2 8]

Up until late 80s, Punjab was not that violent indeed. Afterward, it was entirely different. You also have to consider UP has 100s of millions of people.

As per the discussion of Khalistan, if it was given to us right now, it would crumble within a year. We are so far away from even discussing it as a reality. There are 0 logistics in place, and no one to organize these logistics even. As soon as someone did try to organize it, anyone who doesn't agree will label them a "RAW agunt." Khalistan, for now, needs to put on back burner, there needs to be ground work done, we need to build the leaders of tomorrow first. Do we really need a Khalistan that will become an "old boys club" essentially?

[genie 1,630]

2 hours ago, KhoonKaBadlaKhoon2 said:

Up until late 80s, Punjab was not that violent indeed. Afterward, it was entirely different. You also have to consider UP has 100s of millions of people.

As per the discussion of Khalistan, if it was given to us right now, it would crumble within a year. We are so far away from even discussing it as a reality. There are 0 logistics in place, and no one to organize these logistics even. As soon as someone did try to organize it, anyone who doesn't agree will label them a "RAW agunt." Khalistan, for now, needs to put on back burner, there needs to be ground work done, we need to build the leaders of tomorrow first. Do we really need a Khalistan that will become an "old boys club" essentially?

Depends what kinda khalistan we talking about if its vatican type city state khalistan then its viable and fair easy to implement right now and most Sikhs will be on board on the concept. If we talking about a huge khalistan outside the union of india then theres no chance at the current situation if be some miracle it was able to be created then yes it would collapse into a failed state without any infrastructure and governance sorted out first. The old boys gadar treacherous network would take over just as badals family took over akali dal and sgpc.

So the most viable option of a city state khalistan within the indian union can work for both the indian establishment and for Sikh separatists. This is what they should have gone for in 1948 to 1960s when the akali's were campaigning for punjabi suba movement as we could have had an autonomous Sikh government outside the control of delhi that was able to have its own armed forces, economy, legislate and govern according to Sikhi. It could be created as a brand new city near vast lands with parse population or a small town/city that has the capacity to expand. Benefits would also draw in Sikh and non-sikh tourists from around the world benefiting not only india but khalistan too.

It's outside of the box thinking by brave policy makers and wise politicians that can solve many of historical blunders and past mistakes india has made since its establishment.