Mind wavering and doubts

[Premi5 199]

When I was younger (teenaged) I used to wonder why gurbani would talk of the mind wondering and having 'doubt' about Guru/God etc

As we get older is it natural to have this battle with the mind ?

Is it the 'innocence' of childhood that means you just have a stronger faith ? Is it because you develop a deeper mind that actually works against your own faith as you get older (I mean say between aged 18+ into middle-age).

I'm  not saying I am agnostic, but I find myself battling and questioning my mind a lot. Is it because life is 'complicated' at this stage with lots of responsibilities?

I have the impression from around age 60+ the opposite happens and the mind becomes more like it was when in childhood

Has anyone else found the same, or even completely different ?

Which Bani will help my mind stay on track ?

[MisterrSingh 3,809]

Sounds like you've taken the red pill, bro. 

I inadvertently skipped the red, and found myself taking the black pill. One of my greatest regrets... or perhaps a blessing.

[Premi5 199]

1 hour ago, MisterrSingh said:

Sounds like you've taken the red pill, bro. 

I inadvertently skipped the red, and found myself taking the black pill. One of my greatest regrets... or perhaps a blessing.

Not understanding...

[MisterrSingh 3,809]

36 minutes ago, Premi5 said:

Not understanding...

It's normal to wonder and assess and re-assess. Where you go from there is up to you. What does your inner voice say? Can it be trusted, or is it leading you astray? As a Sikh you should be thinking, "What does the Guru expect from me?" Can you fulfil those expectations? 

[Singh375 369]

3 hours ago, Premi5 said:

Which Bani will help my mind stay on track ?

Young age is also considered as an amrit vela. Personal experience is any abiyaas or bhagati done before age 18 has a unique anand. 

After 18 especially your mind just gets filled with so much rubbish and limitations. And you meet so many new people with college, uni, work etc each of which has an effect on you. 

Do you listen to larivaar katha? Like katha of Guru Granth Sahib Ji - it might take years but a little bit of katha daily makes a huge difference

Limiting social media, news, TV and bad sangat - this helps a lot in controlling mind too.

Kirtan and sat sang is big help

[Sat1 62]

20 hours ago, Premi5 said:

When I was younger (teenaged) I used to wonder why gurbani would talk of the mind wondering and having 'doubt' about Guru/God etc

As we get older is it natural to have this battle with the mind ?

Is it the 'innocence' of childhood that means you just have a stronger faith ? Is it because you develop a deeper mind that actually works against your own faith as you get older (I mean say between aged 18+ into middle-age).

I'm  not saying I am agnostic, but I find myself battling and questioning my mind a lot. Is it because life is 'complicated' at this stage with lots of responsibilities?

I have the impression from around age 60+ the opposite happens and the mind becomes more like it was when in childhood

Has anyone else found the same, or even completely different ?

Which Bani will help my mind stay on track ?

We humans complicate things. Complication is an endless and bottomless well of negativity.

Live simply, accept that you have nothing and are nothing ( We’re all just One), relax and become more peaceful, reacting to negativity and adversity with an evolved psychology such as that which the Gurus practiced (Gurbani applied, Truthful living).

You can live truthfully practicing Gurbani even whilst in the midst of immense maya and temptation. Even in a hellish realm, you can live in the light.. it’s the psychology that you Choose to practice. 

[Premi5 199]

On 8/3/2020 at 3:11 PM, Sat1 said:

We humans complicate things. Complication is an endless and bottomless well of negativity.

Live simply, accept that you have nothing and are nothing ( We’re all just One), relax and become more peaceful, reacting to negativity and adversity with an evolved psychology such as that which the Gurus practiced (Gurbani applied, Truthful living).

You can live truthfully practicing Gurbani even whilst in the midst of immense maya and temptation. Even in a hellish realm, you can live in the light.. it’s the psychology that you Choose to practice. 

But still. I feel very apathetic and uninterested in most things or matters that most  other people do not

difficult to be positive when I cannot see a future 

[GurjantGnostic 534]

7 hours ago, Premi5 said:

But still. I feel very apathetic and uninterested in most things or matters that most  other people do not

difficult to be positive when I cannot see a future 

Acceptance is more peaceful. Don't have to be positive or negative. 

[Sat1 62]

14 hours ago, Premi5 said:

But still. I feel very apathetic and uninterested in most things or matters that most  other people do not

difficult to be positive when I cannot see a future 

As per above, acceptance of your life, of your Karam of reality brings peace. Try to be happy and grateful for what you have, even the small things like food, shelter etc.
 

I’ve just come from a place where life can be such a struggle for many, many don’t have enough food, live in rooms with 4 others etc. We in the west are extremely fortunate in so many ways. 
 

And read Gurbani and apply it to your life practically ie, Truthful living. Bani is the Guru and Guru is bani.. the gyan is there for your taking. Learn to listen to and trust your intuition and accept that He is all pervading and is everything and everyone you see and all that you don’t 

[brotha 80]

15 hours ago, Premi5 said:

But still. I feel very apathetic and uninterested in most things or matters that most  other people do not

difficult to be positive when I cannot see a future 

Premi Jee,

you might be going through a phase of "vairaag" or call it detachment. Be happy for it, because people are strongly attached to maya till their last days, so they do not get mukti.

Be thankful to Waheguru for making things easier for you. 

We have always to make the most in any situation we may find ourselves.

Regarding future, be sure that one is not going to live here forever, so you have only 2 options, either as ignorant remain blind to spirituality, thus stay stuck in the endless cycle of births and deaths, or, be wise and hold on to the rope of His holy Nam, and get pulled out from the mayavee painful creation,  by His apaar kirpa, and thus merge in Him forever, our origin.

Future can not be more clearer bro, either have it or leave it, it is solely your choice,  but thanks to Guru Sahiban, with the aid of Gurmat, we can make the right choice, to leave back the creation of ignorance and darkness,  where only suffering and pain prevails, and move towards Waheguru Akal Purukh, the source of all love, light/wisdom, peace and eternal bliss.

Bhai parapat manukh dhe hooreeya, Gobind milan kee ehe teree bareeya.

[brotha 80]

7 hours ago, GurjantGnostic said:

Acceptance is more peaceful. Don't have to be positive or negative. 

Wise thoughts.

[brotha 80]

On 8/2/2020 at 6:06 PM, Premi5 said:

Which Bani will help my mind stay on track ?

Though all Bani is paviter, yet the benefit can only be obtained by putting into practice that what it says.

In this respect the Bani says : awar kaaj tere kittay na kaam, mil sadh sangat bhaj kewal Nam.

For the Bani says: bin naveh nahee kou thaav.

Without His holy name, there is no place where one can find or get salvation / shelter; except at His Lotus Feet, through the jaap of His holy name.