A Modern Day Singh Sabha Movement?

[dharamyudh 312]

8 hours ago, ipledgeblue said:

oh yes, and also I remember there was unification of Jathas under Nawab Kapur Singh, unification in Dal Khalsa and then split under Budha Dal and Tarna Dal. Do we need another reunification, maybe absorb some of the colonial era jathas into the dals?

If there was a sarbat Khalsa held by dal Khalsa to do this, if we are able to  get the Budha Dal leader to be respected again like Nawab Kapur Singh, Jassa Singh Ahluwalia and Akali Phoola Singh, then these jathe could be absorbed into Dal Khalsa and keep the anti-dasam views and corrupted maryadas in-check. Anyone unwilling to join  would be treated like maybe the Phulkian states, they were the ones who kept out of Dal Khalsa right? might have got the states wrong but I am sure there were some Singhs who didn't join Dal Khalsa during Misl era and Ranjit Singh kingdom era.

I believe reunification is essential. The thing about it is... I don't believe in the Singhs back in Panjab can do this. I think it evident that these guys are terrible leaders and planners (talking modern day) I feel like Sikhs in the West should first set up this sort of system, then India follows suit. I doubt the SGPC will give up its power. They have control of all the Panjab gurdwaras, and it's going to take a whole lot of morchas, even probably shaheedi down the line. SGPC has practically become the modern day equivalent of the Mahants. 

[Kaurr 515]

12 hours ago, Kau89r8 said:

That is pretty crazy...but in reality its peanuts around $160 million...whereas check out the Christian Vatican, Muslim Jewish Hindus lobby therio in the BILLIONS....we need panthic Billionaires..

But the SGPC can still do alot even if they used a fraction of that in Punjab, help the shaheed families, pay for lawyers those stuck Sikhs Jail. the farmers an..end the Christian missionaries and list goes on...but they'll all corrupt ...even better if we had better leaders create a investment fund where we can multiply the money and use it for panthic causes..like Khalsa Investment etc

Either way, we should focus does in West become financially successful and creating a  lobby like rest have..money talks!

The SGPC budget is ALOT. They dont even show half of it cause they spend it all of themselves. Even if they used a bit of it, they could easily fix some of punjab. But obvously theyre not goung to because of the money hungry so called panthic leaders we have today

 

[dharamyudh 312]

18 hours ago, Kaurr said:

The SGPC budget is ALOT. They dont even show half of it cause they spend it all of themselves. Even if they used a bit of it, they could easily fix some of punjab. But obvously theyre not goung to because of the money hungry so called panthic leaders we have today

 

The fact that these guys call themselves Khalsa is absolutely disgraceful. Running around with kirpans but got a whole langar belly hanging out, probably never trained a day in their lives. They pocket a lot of the money. Majority of it could be pumped into parchar, establishing educational centers, teaching ACTUAL martial arts within Gurdwaras like MMA or even Muay Thai.  Could be rebuilding the villages in Panjab. But no, they rather tear down historical places down in the name of "kar seva" No sort of common sense among them. I swear, put some of the guys out here in that position and see the changes happen.

 

[proactive 1,843]

On 8/9/2020 at 9:47 AM, ipledgeblue said:

In a modern day Singh Sabha movement, would the Dal Khalsa retake Akal Takht after being removed by the previous Singh Sabha which is now represented by SGPC? Would Dal Khalsa (budha dal tarna dal) be given more control like they had pre-colonial times?

Would we reintroduce more Dasam Granth readings which were stopped by previous Singh Sabha?

This would make sense if the Nihangs were not as corrupt and useless as the SGPC and Akalis have been. You are seeing today's Budha Dal as being the same as the Budha Dal of history which is clearly is not. In the 1980s it had a leader who was the chumcha of the Abdali of the 20th century. He allowed himself to be used to divide the Panth at the time when the Panth had just about acheived virtual unity. 

If you want some progress in the Panth, it will be have been Sikh youth who are passionate about Sikhi whether in India or the doaspora and not from corrupt organisations like SGPC and Budha Dal. If we only have say one Bhai Jagraj Singh in each village in Punjab, that would be enough to bring the Panth out of the black hole that the Akalis, SGPC and Budha Dal have put it in. 

On 8/8/2020 at 1:41 PM, Singh375 said:

There was a young boy who took Amrit, he’d attend gurdwara every evening wearing chola, dumalla with shastar and chakar, big kirpan over top and even bigger kirpan in his hand. One evening it was raining so I dropped him home, only a 10min journey but he had so many questions about simran. I went home thinking about arranging a time with him to sit down and discuss simran, but a strong feeling inside me kept saying no. So I kept watching him quietly. 5 years later he cut his hair, trimmed his beard, now posts videos on Instagram every night of getting drunk with ‘the boys’.

Can I give you a contary opinion? Maybe if you have bothered to sit with him and explain what Simran is and how to do it, he would have had the tools to counter the bad influence that he got under in later years. So you watched quietly for 5 YEARS while he slid down the slipperly slope and now you use the example of this poor child who in essence you failed in order to prove a point. That's really sad. 

 

On 8/8/2020 at 1:41 PM, Singh375 said:

I think it’s fair to say we could all benefit by increasing our time spent on simran

Apart from that poor kid I suppose. 

[Tamansingh123 57]

17 hours ago, Kau89r8 said:

That is pretty crazy...but in reality its peanuts around $160 million...whereas check out the Christian Vatican, Muslim Jewish Hindus lobby therio in the BILLIONS....we need panthic Billionaires..

But the SGPC can still do alot even if they used a fraction of that in Punjab, help the shaheed families, pay for lawyers those stuck Sikhs Jail. the farmers an..end the Christian missionaries and list goes on...but they'll all corrupt ...even better if we had better leaders create a investment fund where we can multiply the money and use it for panthic causes..like Khalsa Investment etc

Either way, we should focus does in West become financially successful and creating a  lobby like rest have..money talks!

Christian missionaries, and muslims orgs are worldwide, hence its in billions. SGPC is in millions, it can atleast do something in north India

[Kau89r8 421]

Where does the money come from? Hindu organisations ? Indian government? 

4 hours ago, Tamansingh123 said:

Christian missionaries, and muslims orgs are worldwide, hence its in billions. SGPC is in millions, it can atleast do something in north India

Punjab is lost cause for Sikhs now...we cant say anything or ask justice ow we'll end up in Jail..

 

[Tamansingh123 57]

7 hours ago, Kau89r8 said:

Punjab is lost cause for Sikhs now...we cant say anything or ask justice ow we'll end up in Jail..

Sirsa, Bagga are the most smart ones. Openly saying khalistan zindabaad wont give u anything. But being with the govt, and also putting forward sikh issues is the key now. We need more sikhs in the govt, police, ias, while also actively preaching, and educating our current generation. Khalistan right now is a lost cause. Sikhs now wont be able to achieve it. If we were living in 90s, and sikhs took certain correct steps, then it would have been possible. Follow @mssirsa on twitter. We need more sikhs like him.

[DSG 34]

Good post and question. I totally agree we need something , in my opinion I think :-

1. Have clearly defined roles and responsibilities . such as a team that can tackle Gurudawara issues , a team to tackle social media issues , a team to tackle political issues , a team to educate all , a team for sports issues/activities etc...

We have a lot of organisations here in the UK that are already doing this such as Sikh network , Basics of Sikhi , Sikh Federation , Sikh Council UK ( Do we need to bring them all together ?) and will they be willing to work together ?

Recently there has been a split in Sikh Council UK , due to disputes between different factions ? ( Sikh Council UK was good , but not publicized very well , now disputes/splits , the question arises will anything work , I think yes if we have the right people .

 

2. Pay the people

For those chosen , give them a wage ( The Gurudawara can fund this , or even the sangat. We have to hit the masses ( can use Sikh Channels to do so , if we clearly define the roles and objectives) .If there are approximately 700,000 Sikhs in the UK , each give £1 a week , we have in a month 2.8 million pounds. This can be used to pay the selected persons , and I think we can all spare £1 a week.

 

3. Give power to the selected body

Here in the UK , once a panel of people have been selected it should go to the Government and ask them to give powers ( maybe similar to the charity commission) , such that  they can serve appropriate penalties to those who are going against sikhi . (If one knows slating  Sikhi in any way,shape or form means punishment , the perpetrator's will think twice about doing bad deeds)

 

4. All need to be doing the same

Regardless of which Gurudawara one goes to , all should follow the same mariyada , and stop opening too many Gurudawara in the same area due to personal conflict.

 

5. Involve the young

Get the youth involved more , give them more responsibility may be advised by the experienced and older generation.

 

6. Use the TV channels

Educate and inform the community . We have 4 Sikh channels , mostly all of them are doing the same ( i.e. news , path , more news , bit of hot topics , more news ) … with the funding setup research centres in the UK , so proper research of sikhi can be done with visual aids and presented on the channels. One of them can be the Sikh History starting from 14th Century ( from Hindu/sufi rule , to Mugal/Persian rule , to Gurus times , Maharaja Ranjeet Singh times, British Raaj etc...). I think if we know our history , one can realise the sacrifices Sikhs made so we can have the life we have today . You never know some diamonds may arise and lead the way .

I think India is a different kettle of fish , makes my blood boil when I see a sikh being beaten , kesh pulled , distaar taken off , and this is by the Police , who should be the protectors but rather they are the abusers. Hence no one really stands up , incase they are framed and banged up in jail.

 

 

[dharamyudh 312]

Unfortunately the modern day Nihang Dals aren't even the same as those in the past. These guys openly let missionaries convert Sikhs. No Puratan Nihang would let that happen. As I stated before, they could easily set up camp at various villages at start doing parchar. Just because you're a Nihang doesn't mean you can't be called out. Everyone needs to be held accountable. Whether you may be Taksali, Nihang or whatever. It's a failure that falls collectively. Its been this way for a while, ever since the annexation of the Panjab by the British. 

Now... We all know the SGPC simply will not give up its power. The return to Sikhi in Panjab has essentially been confined by the greed of money, and the lust for power. This is all among our own. In the West, we have the good old committees... Whose only concern is to pump out campaigns for free food (Not saying its bad) But that ain't going to cut it. People are literally just going to the gurdwara for food. Don't get me started on the Nagar Kirtans... Instead of preparing to give their positions up to the younger generation, like in the past, these guys are literally starting up their careers. Dissolving these systems are crucial. We have to return to our Gurus form of leadership with the Panj Pyare.  One thing I can accept about the previous Singh Sabha was them pumping out literature. In a modern day sense, the internet is our best bet. Bhai Jagraj Singh was already onto something. However, it looks like Basics of Sikhi has really fell off ever since his passing. There are many who are passionate, it's all about letting those individuals into leadership positions.  

[GurjantGnostic 1,042]

11 hours ago, dharamyudh said:

We all know the SGPC simply will not give up its power

No Dasvand no power.

[Tamansingh123 57]

11 hours ago, dharamyudh said:

Unfortunately the modern day Nihang Dals aren't even the same as those in the past.

Nihungs nowadays are just bhangis who eat meat. Most of the nihungs dint even look at Kharku movement, and ignored the killings. Then they say we are gurus ladli fauj, what are u doing to be ladli fauj? Over that those 96k (96 crori singhs) are the most superstitious people i have seen. They belive 96 crore shaheed singhs are gonna come and bring khalsa raj for 14000 years, until kaljug. 

[Shaheed4life 811]

3 hours ago, Tamansingh123 said:

Nihungs nowadays are just bhangis who eat meat. Most of the nihungs dint even look at Kharku movement, and ignored the killings. Then they say we are gurus ladli fauj, what are u doing to be ladli fauj? Over that those 96k (96 crori singhs) are the most superstitious people i have seen. They belive 96 crore shaheed singhs are gonna come and bring khalsa raj for 14000 years, until kaljug. 

Vaheguru ji ka khalsa Vaheguru ji ki fateh 

True veerji but it is true that there will be 96 crore khalsa and there will be khalsa raj and there are shaheed singhs who have come back and are waiting for hukam before they gather again but then again we cannot just wait for them.We need to be prepared and handle things by ourselves too.I agree with you veerji we cannot just call ourselves the fauj of our Guru we need to be worthy of that

Bhul Chuk Maf

[Shaheed4life 811]

On 8/11/2020 at 2:45 AM, dharamyudh said:

and it's going to take a whole lot of morchas, even probably shaheedi down the line. 

Vaheguru ji ka khalsa Vaheguru ji ki fateh 

Very true veerji.You are right on the reunification of the khalsa panth.We NEED to be one again.If we stay divided we cant do anything.The state of the panth is quite bad now.Guru Maharaj gave us kirpans and gave us the hukam to protect others from tyranny.Unfortunately, we cannot even protect ourselves now.But after 84 things have changed upstairs.Akaal Purakh has given Hukam to thousands to take birth again and lead the panth.When the time is right we will need to give our fullest support to them.

Bhul Chuk Maf

[Tamansingh123 57]

5 hours ago, Shaheed4life said:

True veerji but it is true that there will be 96 crore khalsa

Veerji kede granth vich likha haiga? Plus sikhs don't believe in superstitions, like christians like jesus will come back. Khalsa Raj will surely come but not through 96 k shaheed singhs, but through active sikh leadership.

[Shaheed4life 811]

15 hours ago, Tamansingh123 said:

Veerji kede granth vich likha haiga? Plus sikhs don't believe in superstitions, like christians like jesus will come back. Khalsa Raj will surely come but not through 96 k shaheed singhs, but through active sikh leadership.

Vaheguru ji ka khalsa Vaheguru ji ki fateh 

No veerji it is not written in Guru Granth Sahib ji.Im quite sure it is a bachan from Guru Gobind Singh ji.Yes I agree the panth does not believe in superstitions but the 960 million khalsa I'm talking about is not about shaheed singhs.What I mean is that now there are shaheed singhs which have already taken birth and are on this earth and that during Khalsa raj the Khalsa population will increase to 960 million.Hope I cleared it up

Bhul Chul Maf