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Where do you think these guys are heading as a race, people, etc? 

What do you think about whites and their growing hostility for each other based on issues to do with race, sexual identity, political leanings, etc? Are they being played, or is it something a little less conspiratorial?

Who are the good guys and the bad guys in this standoff? Or is it a bit of both? Are those who strive to defend their traditions and their past in the right, or is it those who want to push through what they see as progress?

Personally I've decided to detach my emotions from this debate, but I'm still going to maintain a clinical interest in the country of my birth. It's tough not to get hyper, lol, but our own Sikh future deserves our full efforts.  both factions are missing the big picture of what's happening. 

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I think that these cultural issues are a big distraction designed to obscure the much more serious economic issues. In most Western countries, the gap between the rich and poor has been steadily growi

Your one-note appraisal of the situation is disappointing. Unsurprising yet disappointing. I give the Puritan settlers their dues without diminishing their inhumane treatment of the natives. I can hol

Difficult to say. clearly majority have gone away from God rather than attending Church but are many are living more ethically e.g veganism is popular, people better aware of environmental issues

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Sikhs need to ensure we are not involved/taking sides as much as possible. 

Completely agree. Either way, whoever comes out on top, will not be good news for us in a number of ways. 

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23 hours ago, MisterrSingh said:

 

Completely agree. Either way, whoever comes out on top, will not be good news for us in a number of ways. 

Most of the white working class people I know are very decent people. Actually, white people I know mostly are regardless of class/wealth. 
 

the working class especially have been made to feel forgotten - whether that’s their ‘fault’ or not , no doubt they rarely climb social ladder here in the UK through education as it doesn’t seem valued unlike with eg South Asian , Chinese and Africa. immigrants. 
 

there are differences if you are referring to white people in other parts of Europe, which are still relatively conservative like Russia, Poland, Hungary 

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18 hours ago, Premi5 said:

Most of the white working class people I know are very decent people. Actually, white people I know mostly are regardless of class/wealth. 

the working class especially have been made to feel forgotten - whether that’s their ‘fault’ or not , no doubt they rarely climb social ladder here in the UK through education as it doesn’t seem valued unlike with eg South Asian , Chinese and Africa. immigrants. 

there are differences if you are referring to white people in other parts of Europe, which are still relatively conservative like Russia, Poland, Hungary 

There's a definite divide and conquer thing going on with them. It's strange because you could argue it's the first time in a noticeable sense that these tactics have been so obviously implemented against them. I don't feel either side is completely correct in an exclusive sense although both sides have arguments that are valid.

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1 hour ago, californiasardar1 said:

 

I think that these cultural issues are a big distraction designed to obscure the much more serious economic issues. In most Western countries, the gap between the rich and poor has been steadily growing. Average people have seen their quality of life go down. Yet, instead of holding to account those responsible, or attempting to change the system that has led to the current state of affairs, most average people end up scapegoating others.

No offense (I know many posters here are from the UK), but I think that the UK in particular is in the beginning stages of a steady and prolonged decline. Brits are very delusional about their place in the world. They seem to have been too frequently fed the myth that they "stood alone" against the rest of the world in WW2 and won the war. And they don't seem to have gotten the memo that the days of empire ended long ago. Brexit has set the UK on a path to irrelevance.

Based on what I have seen, the UK has a combination of most of bad characteristics of the US and continental Europe. And it doesn't have enough of the good aspects of either the US or continental Europe.

Once you get out of Central London, it is surprising how run-down, dilapidated and depressing the UK is. It's shocking how much poverty there is. Having said that, I think the UK is still an okay place for the Sikh community (since there are many neighborhoods with large Sikh populations and gurdwaras).

Great analysis. I'm starting to think the incendiary issues to do with race, religion, culture, and sexual identity are a smokescreen for the much more sober and "unexciting" problems to do with economics. 

The toxic and divisive nature of public discourse is leading to an atmosphere where there is genuine and palpable hate for the other side. That gentlemanly manner of previous decades of British public discourse is a distant memory. It's nasty, personal, and generally lacking substance.  They're past the point of agreeing to disagree, or coming to an amicable arrangement that takes the best from both sides. Even the manner in which they interact is simplistic, unintelligent, and verging on childish. Overall, I think the general quality and character of public figures is nowhere near the level of the past, and that gets reflected in the mood of the nation itself.

My personal feeling is that much of the animosity is being deliberately stoked by the press and the media. For what end? Probably bloodshed or a prolonged and unpleasant series of crises.

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12 hours ago, californiasardar1 said:

 

I think that these cultural issues are a big distraction designed to obscure the much more serious economic issues. In most Western countries, the gap between the rich and poor has been steadily growing. Average people have seen their quality of life go down. Yet, instead of holding to account those responsible, or attempting to change the system that has led to the current state of affairs, most average people end up scapegoating others.

 

 

No offense (I know many posters here are from the UK), but I think that the UK in particular is in the beginning stages of a steady and prolonged decline. Brits are very delusional about their place in the world. They seem to have been too frequently fed the myth that they "stood alone" against the rest of the world in WW2 and won the war. And they don't seem to have gotten the memo that the days of empire ended long ago. Brexit has set the UK on a path to irrelevance.

Based on what I have seen, the UK has a combination of most of bad characteristics of the US and continental Europe. And it doesn't have enough of the good aspects of either the US or continental Europe.

Once you get out of Central London, it is surprising how run-down, dilapidated and depressing the UK is. It's shocking how much poverty there is. Having said that, I think the UK is still an okay place for the Sikh community (since there are many neighborhoods with large Sikh populations and gurdwaras).

I know we've butt heads, or I've been a butthead, but it's nice to see you posting again Veer Ji. I was thinking about you a short while back and was hoping for your input into some of these topics. 

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most white people of west seem to be comfortable in their lives , due to past colonial loots as well as a decent infrastructure in country which allows them to live a higher standard of living . The aspirations which drove UK to become colonial powerhouse however seems lost and is now residing with China/Russia  and to an extent India . 

West has had its day. Nothing to feel sorry for them. Don't forget how much they have ruined us . Britishers are one big reason of why we're in the mess we find ourselves in . I am not trying to rub the responsibilities off the sikh qaum's shoulders, but we did what we could have , we established SGPC , we did singh sabha , but when it came to political arm, the britishers in connivance with gandhi-nehru stabbed us in the arm. 

What they get is purely their karma. Remember west was established by killing native red indians of americas , and native pagan europeans to establish a christian-white nations

 

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3 hours ago, AjeetSingh2019 said:

most white people of west seem to be comfortable in their lives , due to past colonial loots as well as a decent infrastructure in country which allows them to live a higher standard of living . The aspirations which drove UK to become colonial powerhouse however seems lost and is now residing with China/Russia  and to an extent India . 

West has had its day. Nothing to feel sorry for them. Don't forget how much they have ruined us . Britishers are one big reason of why we're in the mess we find ourselves in . I am not trying to rub the responsibilities off the sikh qaum's shoulders, but we did what we could have , we established SGPC , we did singh sabha , but when it came to political arm, the britishers in connivance with gandhi-nehru stabbed us in the arm. 

What they get is purely their karma. Remember west was established by killing native red indians of americas , and native pagan europeans to establish a christian-white nations

 

What karma bit us in the chittar when we were living in jungles? What karma did we deserve when the British and later Hindus were butchering us on the streets of Amritsar and Delhi respectively; or filling in shallow graves of Sikh bodies in Punjabi villages? Are there two tiers of karma now? One for whites that punishes their misdeeds and one for angelic Sikhs?

I'm trying to get beyond this level of thinking. While aspects are valid, it's not going to really help understand the practical problems at hand. You're stuck in the stage of wanting to see whitey burn. I want to learn whether there's something else going on a human level.

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