cannabis vs alcohol

[GurjantGnostic 1,023]

Like if somebody takes to rock climbing for health for example. And they start doing that, and they find as they begin that the Sukha helps them focus and enjoy climbing rocks a lot and relax and steal their mind back from maya and other poisons. And they keep climbing the rock, they're going to get fit.

Another person may never have been without rock climbing, or lead a different life and maybe they never liked Sukha while climbing. And they too are phenominally fit.

And if you go rock climbing anywhere there is going to be those that use Sukha and those that don't and they all climb together and get fit, no worries. 

And if rock climbers can conquer mountains together and respect each other it really shouldn't be hard for Gursikhs to do the same on both sides or all sides. 

Ultimately it's about "rock climbing" together and encouraging everyone to "climb rocks"

[intrigued 318]

39 minutes ago, GurjantGnostic said:

Like if somebody takes to rock climbing for health for example. And they start doing that, and they find as they begin that the Sukha helps them focus and enjoy climbing rocks a lot and relax and steal their mind back from maya and other poisons. And they keep climbing the rock, they're going to get fit.

Another person may never have been without rock climbing, or lead a different life and maybe they never liked Sukha while climbing. And they too are phenominally fit.

And if you go rock climbing anywhere there is going to be those that use Sukha and those that don't and they all climb together and get fit, no worries. 

And if rock climbers can conquer mountains together and respect each other it really shouldn't be hard for Gursikhs to do the same on both sides or all sides. 

Ultimately it's about "rock climbing" together and encouraging everyone to "climb rocks"

Makes sense, I think that the only thing that I would disagree with is that bhang can be addictive if taken in excess. In the past, it has been addictive to Sikhs but I don't think its as addictive as other intoxicants. Otherwise thank you for explaining it to me 

[MisterrSingh 4,703]

2 hours ago, GurjantGnostic said:

It's the Sikhi bro. You can't Sukha your way to Sach Akand. 

Let's not confuse Sukha with hard core hallucinagens either. 

Everywhere the fork tongued imperial goes he maligns Sukha and brings alcohol. 

My cynicism and intimate knowledge of the Punjabi demeanour doesn't allow me to embrace this particular issue with as much positivity as others. I've seen where this type of narcotically-encouraged religiosity leads, and it's actually not as noble or as high-minded as it's being described here. 

Each to their own. If it works for someone, then fair enough. 

[GurjantGnostic 1,023]

39 minutes ago, MisterrSingh said:

My cynicism and intimate knowledge of the Punjabi demeanour doesn't allow me to embrace this particular issue with as much positivity as others. I've seen where this type of narcotically-encouraged religiosity leads, and it's actually not as noble or as high-minded as it's being described here. 

Each to their own. If it works for someone, then fair enough. 

When you say narcotic though that's afeem.

[TigerForce1 288]

On 2/26/2021 at 4:45 PM, shastarSingh said:

Cannabis comes in 2 forms: hemp and marijuana 

Both these forms r a gift of God.

Shaheedi degh is the best medicine in the world.

Could you elaborate what bimaari is that you are trying to medicate?  Also can you reference where it is written that hemp and marijuana are a ‘gift from god’.

I’d also like to ask if the benefits can out way risks of triggering schizophrenia and also what is there a need for it, if it carries a social stigma when you can easily get your hands on modern pharmaceutical medicine which can cure or treat ailments. 
 

Also understand that I am not knocking you for promoting its use, but I just want understand what it is within Jhatka meat and Cannabis that so many young Singhs are searching for?  What does one lack in day to day functioning if you refrain from these.  Also does one become a better Sikh for using it.  Also does a Nihung Singh that refrains from meat and cannabis no longer become a Nihung Singh if he refrains from these.

[shastarSingh 663]

36 minutes ago, TigerForce1 said:

Could you elaborate what bimaari is that you are trying to medicate?  Also can you reference where it is written that hemp and marijuana are a ‘gift from god’.

I’d also like to ask if the benefits can out way risks of triggering schizophrenia and also what is there a need for it, if it carries a social stigma when you can easily get your hands on modern pharmaceutical medicine which can cure or treat ailments. 
 

Also understand that I am not knocking you for promoting its use, but I just want understand what it is within Jhatka meat and Cannabis that so many young Singhs are searching for?  What does one lack in day to day functioning if you refrain from these.  Also does one become a better Sikh for using it.  Also does a Nihung Singh that refrains from meat and cannabis no longer become a Nihung Singh if he refrains from these.

hemp doesn't get u high and is a wonder plant that can give u food, clothing and house.

marijuana gets u high and can cure any disease known to man including cancer.

shaheedi degh is made using marijuana.

u can be a nihang even if u don't hv jhatka and shaheedi degh.

but if u do ninda of shaheedi degh and jhatka, u r not a nihang Singh.

[GurjantGnostic 1,023]

48 minutes ago, TigerForce1 said:

 if it carries a social stigma when you can easily get your hands on modern pharmaceutical medicine which can cure or treat ailments. 

Who cares when Sukha works and the pharma kills you. At the least reefer madness kids didn't judge you as you died?

I've never heard or seen Sukha exacerbate anyone's schizophrenia and infact the schizophrenics I worked with were taking oral cbd solution three times daily.  

Have you ever read the known side effects of pharma?

[TigerForce1 288]

27 minutes ago, GurjantGnostic said:

Who cares when Sukha works and the pharma kills you. At the least reefer madness kids didn't judge you as you died?

I've never heard or seen Sukha exacerbate anyone's schizophrenia and infact the schizophrenics I worked with were taking oral cbd solution three times daily.  

Have you ever read the known side effects of pharma?

I have personally never seen any young Nihung Singh excel from using Cannabis but you can’t take my personal encounters and discount anybody’s medical findings regarding the use.  The same should apply to you when you make claims about your encounter with schizophrenia.  The fact is that Cannabis does have a link to psychosis and schizophrenia and this is backed up by research.

Regarding modern pharma and negative affects, this is too deep to even converse on.  I do know that when Guru Gobind Singh Maharaj was injured from a wound inflicted by a dagger, a European Surgeon was given the task to tend the wound.  For that time you could say that this was the use of modern medical practice.  I also know that Guru Gobind Singh Maharaj also possessed modern weapons.  This tells us that our Guru was in favour of modern warfare as well as modern medical practices.

So my question to you is why are you afraid of modern medicine and why are you on the path to making a ritual of preserving something that was used for specific scenarios of the time. 

[TigerForce1 288]

47 minutes ago, shastarSingh said:

hemp doesn't get u high and is a wonder plant that can give u food, clothing and house.

We live in the 21st Century!  Nihung Singhs bana is made from cotton as it always was.  Nihung Singhs to this day do not use hemp for dietary needs.  Nihung Singhs do not live in houses made from hemp.  

 

47 minutes ago, shastarSingh said:

marijuana gets u high and can cure any disease known to man including cancer.

Marijuana also carries the risk of triggering one the worst diseases ‘schizophrenia’ losing your mind.  This disease is no good for any Tyar bey Tyar Singh. 

 

47 minutes ago, shastarSingh said:

but if u do ninda of shaheedi degh and jhatka, u r not a nihang Singh.

The biggest ninda is when you make rituals out practices that were a part of our glorious warriors day to day life.  Indulging in these practices when one not living the life of Nihung Singh is ninda.

[GurjantGnostic 1,023]

1 hour ago, TigerForce1 said:

I have personally never seen any young Nihung Singh excel from using Cannabis but you can’t take my personal encounters and discount anybody’s medical findings regarding the use.  The same should apply to you when you make claims about your encounter with schizophrenia.  The fact is that Cannabis does have a link to psychosis and schizophrenia and this is backed up by research.

Regarding modern pharma and negative affects, this is too deep to even converse on.  I do know that when Guru Gobind Singh Maharaj was injured from a wound inflicted by a dagger, a European Surgeon was given the task to tend the wound.  For that time you could say that this was the use of modern medical practice.  I also know that Guru Gobind Singh Maharaj also possessed modern weapons.  This tells us that our Guru was in favour of modern warfare as well as modern medical practices.

So my question to you is why are you afraid of modern medicine and why are you on the path to making a ritual of preserving something that was used for specific scenarios of the time. 

Have you read the side effects of pharma?

Have you never seen a class action lawsuit against pharma?

Have you never heard of pharma faking or bypassing safety and legislative measures?

I'd take insulin if I was diabetic in conjunction with all holistic measures. 

I'm not against medicine bro practiced properly. That's only a percentage of the medicine practiced however. 

Nobody is debating the efficacy of stitches.

Nobody goes schizo from Sukha either bro. You're reefer mad. 

[GurjantGnostic 1,023]

1 hour ago, TigerForce1 said:

Nihung Singhs to this day do not use hemp for dietary needs.  Nihung Singhs do not live in houses made from hemp.  

No but hunger and homelessness are problems today which is why I think @shastarSingh is interested in a variety of things the Paanth could grow, make, forage or hunt that would benefit them and positively impact their lifestyle. Cotton doesn't grow everywhere. So if somebody has a mind to grow their own clothes, or create an export product, interest in hemp makes sense. 

Put your mind to trying to sustain Jathas in varying climates from scratch, for self determination or to survive unrest and you'll get his vibe more I think. 

[TigerForce1 288]

25 minutes ago, GurjantGnostic said:

No but hunger and homelessness are problems today which is why I think @shastarSingh is interested in a variety of things the Paanth could grow, make, forage or hunt that would benefit them and positively impact their lifestyle. Cotton doesn't grow everywhere. So if somebody has a mind to grow their own clothes, or create an export product, interest in hemp makes sense. 

Put your mind to trying to sustain Jathas in varying climates from scratch, for self determination or to survive unrest and you'll get his vibe more I think. 

Bro I think eradicating hunger and homelessness has nothing to do with this topic especially when title for this topic is ‘Cannabis vs Alcohol’.  You do not need to Einstein to figure out what elements of Cannabis the poster is trying to compare.

[GurjantGnostic 1,023]

3 hours ago, TigerForce1 said:

Bro I think eradicating hunger and homelessness has nothing to do with this topic especially when title for this topic is ‘Cannabis vs Alcohol’.  You do not need to Einstein to figure out what elements of Cannabis the poster is trying to compare.

It's been pretty comprehensive.

Sticking just to the topic no question. 

[GurjantGnostic 1,023]

On the topic of medicine and pharma take nasseau for example. Somebody could...

 

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What are the chances the less common side effects include death, stroke, seizure, anurism, or something horrible. 

Or somebody could drink Bhang and kill two birds with one stoner and never encounter a negative side effect and especially not death. 

And if we look at the meds this replaced I bet it's even worse. 

[TigerForce1 288]

6 hours ago, GurjantGnostic said:

Or somebody could drink Bhang and kill two birds with one stoner and never encounter a negative side effect and especially not death. 

I agree you could kill 2 birds with one ‘stoner’.  Your word not mine but I think it was a typo or perhaps it was divine intervention lol.  No I’m just messing.  

I agree that medical use of Cannabis could have some positive uses but it’s the recreational and ritual use that I am against.  
 

Regarding pharma and side affects, you could probably find the same list of risk on the small print of ‘Paracetamol’, but I’m sure that this doesn’t pose a problem with the vast majority of people who have used it.  I agree with use holistic natural remedies over the use of medicine produced in labs but one thing that should cross ones mind when taking medicine is that ‘what ailments am I trying to cure?’.  I think the path of pushing Cannabis is blurry as you have stoners who just want to get high or people who genuinely want to make use of it's medicinal benefits.  I am not sure that the young Singhs that are pulled towards Shaheedi Deg are doing it for the right reasons.  I’m particularly talking about western Nihung Singhs who I feel are more style over substance.