I dont believe in islam but i think the quran is very based in terms of war

[proudkaur21]

So someone was telling me that the quran tells muslims when they are in minority to not wage physical war until your population is high enough to have a big chance of winning. So when you are in the minority dont wage a physical war but try to increase your population through high birth rates until the population becomes high enough to take over the host in an actual war. Now sikhs will come and say oh but this not the right moral thing to do and we should care about quality not quantity but when your existence is constantly threatened by two big religions that you are surrounded by and you dont even have enough numbers to sustain a majority in your own land in the future how is this immoral as a strategy to prepare yourself for the inevitable in the future? If only our population was high enough through births we wouldn't be in this state. No one gives a damn about us because we are politically irrelevant due to our low numbers and this is very threatening to our future generations. I see some sikhs constantly talking bad about india and then our brothers back home end up in jail and thus our population keeps getting lowered. They dont understand we dont have the power yet to physically fight against these external aggressor yet. We are surrounded by aggressors from all sides. Not all wars have to be fought in the physical sense. I wish our people had even 1/10th of the cleverness muslims or christians have.

[Dsinghd]

Well said! We can’t demand respect we have to earn it (We are minority).

Also wear turbans and keep Kes to stand out from the crowd.

[MisterrSingh]

I've said on a couple of occasions in the past about there being certain pragmatic elements of Islam that works in its favour particularly during moments where its followers aren't in a strong position, or even generally when other religions would seek to impress on its followers that life is a beautiful, spiritual bed of roses if you just believe hard enough, Islam says, "Well, actually, it's not, and you need to do this-and-this when it comes to dealing with Christians / Jews / women otherwise you WILL suffer." 

I think that's the undisputed socio-political aspect of it coming to the fore; the part of the belief system that's divorced from the spiritual or religious "tolerant" side to things that seems to err towards compassion and the "let-live" ethos of most religions regardless of whether it's warranted or not.

[proudkaur21]

I think instead of down voting or getting angry because you disagree it would be better if you put forth your arguments.

[Kau89r8]

@proudkaur21Totally agree with you! Another thing i like is how they keep it Alpha which is why they attract many Muslims converts. many boxer convert to Islam too. They have beliefs like Mohammed flew from Mecca to Jerusalem on a half winged donkey, split the moon into 2 all these fairytailes yet they keep it very 'masculine.' Despite all the wars they still fastest growing religion. Also non-apologists against their jihad yet we keep washing is down with all is equal and humanity is the same..context matters.

We used to have that. Khrakus were the peak. Since then we only known for 'Panjabis love too PaRty BalLe BalLe' and 'free food'... 

 

[proudkaur21]

9 minutes ago, Kau89r8 said:

@proudkaur21Totally agree with you! Another thing i like is how they keep it Alpha which is why they attract many Muslims converts. many boxer convert to Islam too. They have beliefs like Mohammed flew from Mecca to Jerusalem on a half winged donkey, split the moon into 2 all these fairytailes yet they keep it very 'masculine.' Despite all the wars they still fastest growing religion. Also non-apologists against their jihad yet we keep washing is down with all is equal and humanity is the same..context matters.

We used to have that. Khrakus were the peak. Since then we only known for 'Panjabis love too PaRty BalLe BalLe' and 'free food'... 

 

Absolutely even after so many terrorist attacks they manage to get more converts than us whereas our people keep spending sangats money on any random person other than Sikhs themselves and we still cant convince people. They think we are just free food religion. You are not going to get people to accept your religion by being too nice and dancing bhangra which is quite evident from people converting to islam. Our people need to write books, come up with ways to be relatable to non sikhs. I mean we still fight over the translations of sggs into english how are we going to convince others. There is too much open interpretation because of lack of research. And then it seems like our male counterparts are totally lacking in any will to take the stand about how we should go on about our future. I mean i always see muslim men giving dawah about their religion. They seem to perform their duties as males but our lot are just busy in bhangra alcohol parties. No damn about our homeland or thinking about the future of the people in our homeland. Its just upsetting seeing men from other religions performing their traditional duties as males. Not saying women arent responsible but i guess its always been men working this stuff out since the past times.

[MisterrSingh]

7 hours ago, proudkaur21 said:

And then it seems like our male counterparts are totally lacking in any will to take the stand about how we should go on about our future. I mean i always see muslim men giving dawah about their religion. They seem to perform their duties as males but our lot are just busy in bhangra alcohol parties. No damn about our homeland or thinking about the future of the people in our homeland. Its just upsetting seeing men from other religions performing their traditional duties as males. Not saying women arent responsible but i guess its always been men working this stuff out since the past times.

Or you've got these NRI Sikh jathas consisting of western born Sikhs playing at spirituality in public while behind closed doors these Singhs are cracking each other off and playing tonsil hockey because apparently that's a spiritual test. Naming no names...

 

[jjs8]

Peeps are trying to move on from the 80's and here you are bringing it up again. 

They say a picture is worth a thousands words.....those pics of the kharkus during the 80's with the AK's say enough.

 

 

[dallysingh101]

17 hours ago, Kau89r8 said:

Totally agree with you! Another thing i like is how they keep it Alpha which is why they attract many Muslims converts. many boxer convert to Islam too.

They do a good job (in this department) in prison too. But I think that's mainly because a lot of people hate whites and their racism (overt and covert), and these guys seem like a viable alternative to them and their christian religion.  

 

17 hours ago, proudkaur21 said:

And then it seems like our male counterparts are totally lacking in any will to take the stand about how we should go on about our future.

This isn't true. It's just the effete, genteel but numerous section of our community vilify and sideline the stronger willed people (usually they have help from outside sources like the british police or politicians).  Plus who is willing to raise up their sons tough, where violence isn't uncommon, or prison sentences and records? Only greedy, money/status obsessed parents okay with hard drug dealing in Canada by the looks of it?  

[JSinghnz]

Why is our population decreasing is the most important thing to be discussed.

Why is the Christian religion increasing so fast in Punjab.

What are the Sikhs doing anything about this?