Is "Sikhni" an appropriate word to refer to Sikh women?

[jkvlondon 6,893]

On 2/4/2022 at 4:35 AM, proactive said:

In Jagraon, we use both sawaray for morning, tarka is used for very early morning such as dawn. We use Aathan for afternoon, is your  usage JUAAK rather than JWAAK which we use in Jagraon? In many parts of Malwa the language did change after the partition mainly as those who had migrated in the early 1900s to the canal colonies of Lyallpur and  Montgomery migrated back to their ancestral villages in Malwa having had their language influenced by the decades of living in the canal colonies. This is especially true of Ludhiana where the 1947 refugees were settled back in their ancestral villages. 

Kameej is used for women's top, such as salwaar kaameej. Jhagga is for a man's shirt. The z sound becomes a j sound in Malwa. 

and zip becomes jip , my Mum often switches the sounds, of course we take the mick by telling the kids stop being layji

[SikhKosh 654]

20 hours ago, 5aaban said:

Is the first one a more common insult in the UK because I’ve never heard it in Panjab or the country I'm from. Have heard the second one, it's common. 

I've heard it in Punjab as well. We'll be hearing it more often there since <banned word filter activated> have grown exponentially and the mainstream Muslah worshipping liberal Sikhs will start seeing the true colours of Islam and 'diversity' and 'all religions equal' bs. They will hence become more aware of true Islam which includes jaziya, taqiya, grooming and not just the darbars, sufi and Mian Mir stuff.

[ipledgeblue 1,007]

On 2/4/2022 at 5:35 AM, 5aaban said:

Definitely urban usage, terms like Beti aren't used in authentic Panjabi. Putt (regardless of gender) can be used by elders to refer to a girl or dhiye (if you're close). 

 

On 2/4/2022 at 10:10 AM, 5aaban said:

Aathan is used in Malwa (west) for evening. Shaam is rare on that side. Aathan isn't popular in Puadhi-Panjabi and Ludhiana is a mix of dialects and immigrants so it's not representative of Malwa.  

In our dialect, Beta/beti/betay is considered Hindi (leaning more towards formal-urban Panjabi), we say Putt/Puttar/Dhi/Kudi. 

Some old words and phrases are disappearing from daily usage, one of them is Wadda Tarka. It was used in old music too.

And Dupaira is usually after 12pm and before 4pm. 

In Malwa and Majha dialects seasoning is called 'Tarhka'. It's only in Doaba where it's called 'Turkha' so both are correct depending on your region.  In Doaba, the 'i' sound is also changed to 'e' (e.g. Pind is pronounced 'Pend'). 

'Chuk' (pick) is used in Majha & Doaba and it becomes 'Chak' in Malwa. Similarly 'Sutt' (throw) used in Majha & Doaba changes to 'Sitt' in Malwa.

There's no right and wrong when it comes to these dialect differences, each dialect has it's unique vocabulary and pronunciations. 

 

 

I heard from katha that kurri actually comes from the word koora, ie that it is a derogatory word for women.

On 2/5/2022 at 11:05 AM, Premi5 said:

instead of 'paisa/paise' , 'vaise' some (have heard all over Panjab but esp Majhails) say 'pahe' 'vahe'

From what you know of different dialects in Indian Panjab, which region or subregion's dialect has changed the most ?

I would guess Majha since it got cut off from Pakistani Panjab, and Malwa has become the dominant cultural and political area in Indian Panjab ?

Wrt to your point about y/z/j - I think they are all potentially correct - Gurmukhi written Panjabi only got standardised post-partition ?

Do you have any way to identify where in Panjab someone/there family is from when you speak with them ? Like any particular words which give it away ?

I wonder how much punjabi has changed with neo-gurmukhi introducing pehr bindi letters using z, p and sh 

[ipledgeblue 1,007]

On 2/5/2022 at 12:54 PM, SikhKosh said:

Just like we use sullaah very commonly, muslaah is deragotary as well and rarely used but the best one is qutwaa.

What I don't understand is how our fuddhus like and share this video where the viewer is denigrating our faith, boasting of doing azaan in Harmandar Sahib and calling us Sikhraa. Check the comments, most top ones are from 'Sikhs'.

 

yeh just saw he says sikhra near the end of the video, I don't think he meant it in any disrespectful way and was being really respectful. But it does alert to the normalised use of sikhra amongst pakistanis, obviously the hate must be strong if it is normal vocabulary.

I am sure I have heard Guru ji use sikhra in gurbani as well though, so the origin may not be bad

[Kaurr 1,014]

On 2/15/2022 at 2:10 AM, ipledgeblue said:

I heard from katha that kurri actually comes from the word koora, ie that it is a derogatory word for women.

Same, and I heard somwhere that munda comes from shaving head, munan vala. 

[proudkaur21 2,217]

I think what a sikh women is called should be the last of our worries when our whole future is at stake.

[AkalkiFauj 155]

On 11/22/2021 at 4:24 PM, Jacfsing2 said:

The correct term is Kaur

Incorrect. It was originally Devi/Devan (source Hukhamname : Hukhamnama Mata Sahib Devan)

[ipledgeblue 1,007]

17 hours ago, AkalkiFauj said:

Incorrect. It was originally Devi/Devan (source Hukhamname : Hukhamnama Mata Sahib Devan)

THIS

[Guest guest]

4 hours ago, ipledgeblue said:

THIS

it was Mata Devan, not Mata Sahib Devan.  they (Singh Sabha revisionists) added Sahib later.

The use of the word Sahib isn't even correct.  It should be the feminine form, Sahiba.

[Guest guest]

same thing with Mai Bhago and Mata Gurji .  Kaur was added to their names retrospectively and recently.

[Jacfsing2 893]

On 6/26/2022 at 12:26 PM, AkalkiFauj said:

Incorrect. It was originally Devi/Devan (source Hukhamname : Hukhamnama Mata Sahib Devan)

Were all Sikh women previously named Devan?

[intrigued 1,057]

Then where did Kaur come from?

[dallysingh101 7,447]

On 6/29/2022 at 1:08 AM, intrigued said:

Then where did Kaur come from?

I think it was probably incorporated and 'standardised' during the Singh Sabha Lehar like  a lot of stuff we live with today. European influence. 

[ipledgeblue 1,007]

On 6/27/2022 at 3:50 PM, Guest guest said:

it was Mata Devan, not Mata Sahib Devan.  they (Singh Sabha revisionists) added Sahib later.

The use of the word Sahib isn't even correct.  It should be the feminine form, Sahiba.

interesting, do tell more. There are probably sources such as suraj prakash and others to look at right?

On 6/27/2022 at 3:51 PM, Guest guest said:

same thing with Mai Bhago and Mata Gurji .  Kaur was added to their names retrospectively and recently.

This really irks me. I used to be in London uni sikh societies in the 2000s and that's when they started corrupting Mai Bhago's name. And then in the last decade sikh groups started doing the same to Mata Gujari Ji. And it's always the groups dealing with youth and young children who push these. And I feel it's coming from certain jathas which don't follow itihasic granths!

[dallysingh101 7,447]

On 7/9/2022 at 1:09 AM, ipledgeblue said:

interesting, do tell more. There are probably sources such as suraj prakash and others to look at right?

This really irks me. I used to be in London uni sikh societies in the 2000s and that's when they started corrupting Mai Bhago's name. And then in the last decade sikh groups started doing the same to Mata Gujari Ji. And it's always the groups dealing with youth and young children who push these. And I feel it's coming from certain jathas which don't follow itihasic granths!

It goes insane, like people saying don't call Diwali, Diwali because it's 'Hindu' but then you read Guru Gobind Singh Ji's hukamnamas and they use the word Diwali. That's how twisted insular, uninformed, binary thinking gets you.