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On 2/4/2022 at 5:38 AM, 5aaban said:

We don't use 'Kameez' much till recently. It's only 'Jhaga' or 'Kurti'. The z sound usually becomes more like "y" sound in Malwa. E.g. Hazaar is Hyaar not Hajaar. And "y" sound in words like Yakeen becomes j (Jakeen). It's a bit complicated to explain. 

The changing  of 'z' to 'j' sound occurs in many rural Panjabi dialects. This is a feature of rural Panjabi as the 'z' sound is not native to Panjab, similar happens with 'f' sound which is pronounced more like 'ph' by rural speakers. 

instead of 'paisa/paise' , 'vaise' some (have heard all over Panjab but esp Majhails) say 'pahe' 'vahe'

From what you know of different dialects in Indian Panjab, which region or subregion's dialect has changed the most ?

I would guess Majha since it got cut off from Pakistani Panjab, and Malwa has become the dominant cultural and political area in Indian Panjab ?

Wrt to your point about y/z/j - I think they are all potentially correct - Gurmukhi written Panjabi only got standardised post-partition ?

Do you have any way to identify where in Panjab someone/there family is from when you speak with them ? Like any particular words which give it away ?

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On 2/5/2022 at 10:05 PM, Premi5 said:

instead of 'paisa/paise' , 'vaise' some (have heard all over Panjab but esp Majhails) say 'pahe' 'vahe'

From what you know of different dialects in Indian Panjab, which region or subregion's dialect has changed the most ?

I would guess Majha since it got cut off from Pakistani Panjab, and Malwa has become the dominant cultural and political area in Indian Panjab ?

Wrt to your point about y/z/j - I think they are all potentially correct - Gurmukhi written Panjabi only got standardised post-partition ?

Do you have any way to identify where in Panjab someone/there family is from when you speak with them ? Like any particular words which give it away ?

Doab dialect appears to be most influential in Panjab, even more overseas and Majha dialect has changed the most. Malwa looks big because it’s grouped with Puadh region (which has a different dialect). It's influential in politics due to a large area. 
 

A lot of people in different regions have given up their words to use the Doab aiddhan/kiddhan/jiddhan (especially overseas).  
 

You can easily identify someone’s region from words.

Doaba

Use of Kiddhan/aiddhan/jiddhan.  
 

Vocabulary or features: Gabbe (middle), i is replaced with e in some words (khich becomes khech, pind becomes pend), use of siga/sigi (past tense), niane (children), Bhaaji (brother). 

Majha

Easiest way to tell is the use of ‘dea’ (eg karn dea, khan dea). However, this isn’t a feature of all Majha dialects, only some. Majha dialect tends to use of ‘ee’. E.g. ‘o karda ee’. 
 

The ‘s’ sound is dropped in some words. SaaDa (our) becomes HaaDa and Asi (we) is Ahi. This difference is more common in Indian Panjab Majha. 


na- verb ending instead of da- ending are sometimes used. E.g. Main Karna va (instead of Main Karda va)

Malwa

L to n changes. E.g. noon (salt). Use of Kivven/Jivven. 

Some unique words can give it away: aathan (evening), juvaak 
(children), Thodaa (your), Thonuu (you), mateera (watermelon), Bai (brother). 

Puadh

Ka, Ki, Ke, Kian used instead of Da, Di, De, Dian. 

Vocabulary: now is Ibb (instead of Hun), chokara (boy), thame/tham (you), Gail (with), Thara (your/yours), mhara (my/mine). 

To hear Puadhi accent and vocabulary:

https://youtu.be/3vUuCm3kL0E

 

 

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