Pakistani Punjabis running Grooming Gangs in UK, why is all the blame on Mirpuris?

[dallysingh101]

On 2/6/2022 at 7:28 PM, Lioness98 said:

Just so you all know the BBC drama THREE GIRLS was based on the Rochdale grooming gang scandal, the ringleader of the gang was a Pakistani PUNJABI!

I think the apnay who are very pro-panjbiyaat or have close pak friends are the ones who are most likely to be in denial or play down pak-punjabi grooming.   

[Lioness98]

On 2/8/2022 at 12:47 AM, SikhKosh said:

Not denying that the Pak Punjabs are involved in grooming or other anti Sikh acts but how do you explain the absence of such organized grooming cases in the US where most Paks are Punjabis as compared to the Paks in the UK who have large numbers of Mirpuris/Kashmiris?
The odd grooming cases are everywhere, even in Europe where several Sikh girls have been groomed, but I am talking about the organized efforts like the ones visible in the UK.
Paks in the US - majority of them Punjabis - are pretty succesful, educated, have a low crime rate and generally good relations with Sikhs/East Punjabis.

Could it be that mostly Mirpuris were grooming back in the day hence creating the narration that groomers are mostly Mirpuris and now Pak Punjabs, Afghanis and others taking over.

If you really have access to figures and names in the crimes that we do not have, could you do a quick analysis of the cases of the past decades and see the % (approx) of Pak Punjabs vs Mirpuris ? Genuinely interested because most cases I have read about had Mirpuris involved in them:

https://www.express.co.uk/news/uk/697583/Rotherham-abuse-scandal-child-grooming-gangs-industrial-scale-victims-CSE

"GROOMING of young girls by gangs of predominantly Kashmiri men is still occurring on an “industrial scale” in Rotherham because authorities are failing to tackle an organised child sex crime racket, an investigation by express.co.uk has uncovered."

BTW, you're probably referring to me in your post because I was the one who bought up the Mirpuri grooming issue in some other thread and I also suggested that we need to focus on improving our relations in West Punjab so we can further Panthic goals in Pak which was not appreciated on this forum.

 

That article from the Express does not cite any actual data - there is no collected data on the definite origins of the Pakistani grooming gangs but I have seen reports firsthand detailing where these perpetrators were born and they're from all over Pakistan and other Muslim countries. If we're gonna go by figures, most grooming gangs in the UK are made up of white men. However, the ones targeting Sikh girls are always Pakistani gangs. If we want to seriously tackle this problem then we can't deflect by blaming it all on one group. Mirpuris are estimated to be 60% of the British Pakistani population, that means a LARGE minority of 40% are Pakistani Punjabis. I'm not trying to absolve the Mirpuri perpetrators but to suggest they're the only ones doing it is defying common sense. Especially because Punjabi Muslims have a long history of hatred for Sikhs. It is in very recent history that they committed mass-rapes and genocide on our people. They continue to forcibly kidnap and convert Sikh girls in Pakistan https://www.sikhpa.com/kidnapping-and-forced-conversion-of-sikh-girl-in-pakistan-leads-to-public-outcry/

Pak Punjabis in the UK are very much radical Islamists many times, the ones in the US might be different. They always have that haji mullah style. I remember reading that the 2005 London bombings were carried out by Pak Punjabis. That fellow who recently held the synagogue hostage in Texas was a Pak Punjabi. Look at Anjem Choudhary.

The Pakistanis in the US are more successful and educated because the US immigration system is much stricter hence only the rich ones moved there to begin with. Furthermore they don't have a strong base there and are scattered all over the country. In Canada they wouldn't dream of messing with Sikhs because Canadian Apne are notorious gangsters (not something I'm proud of) and everyone knows they're not to be messed with. The Pakistanis in Britain are mostly from a labourer class. It's that simple. It isn't because one group is inherently better than the other. Essentially they're all the same! Just to make it clear, paedophilia and group-based sexual abuse transcends class or education, the rich or educated aren't less likely to engage in sexual abuse. We saw educated Pakistani doctors running grooming gangs in Canada in this thread. 

 

[Lioness98]

4 hours ago, dallysingh101 said:

I think the apnay who are very pro-panjbiyaat or have close pak friends are the ones who are most likely to be in denial or play down pak-punjabi grooming.   

Pro-panjbiyaat is the most futile movement I have seen. I did not realise people actually took it seriously. Most Pakistani Punjabis in the UK speak Urdu, I have heard them say Punjabi is a 'paindu' language. I haven't noticed that Pak Punjabis are more friendly towards Sikhs than Mirpuris either. This is a fantasy of some deluded apne. Both groups dislike us equally. 

[dallysingh101]

1 hour ago, Lioness98 said:

Look at Anjem Choudhary.

I think this one is a kutchy (gujju)?  

[Lioness98]

 

17 minutes ago, dallysingh101 said:

I think this one is a kutchy (gujju)?  

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Choudary was born in London in 1967, the son a market trader of Punjabi-Pakistani descent.

https://www.arabnews.com/node/1511156/anjem-choudary#bio

[dallysingh101]

2 hours ago, Lioness98 said:

 

https://www.arabnews.com/node/1511156/anjem-choudary#bio

Born in London on 18 January 1967,^[14] Anjem Choudary is the son of a Welling market trader and is of Pakistani descent;^[15][16] his parents migrated to what became Pakistan during the partition of India.^[17] He attended Mulgrave Primary School, in Woolwich.^[18] In 1996, Choudary married Rubana Akhtar, or Akhgar, who had recently joined al-Muhajiroun, which he led at the time. She later became the group's head of women.^[19] The couple have four children.^[15]

[Lioness98]

23 hours ago, dallysingh101 said:

Born in London on 18 January 1967,^[14] Anjem Choudary is the son of a Welling market trader and is of Pakistani descent;^[15][16] his parents migrated to what became Pakistan during the partition of India.^[17] He attended Mulgrave Primary School, in Woolwich.^[18] In 1996, Choudary married Rubana Akhtar, or Akhgar, who had recently joined al-Muhajiroun, which he led at the time. She later became the group's head of women.^[19] The couple have four children.^[15]

his family probably migrated from east Punjab. I remember reading Punjabi Muslims who migrated from east Punjab adopted Islamism as a consequence of losing their homes, families, etc. It turned them into radicals.

[Ranjeet01]

2 hours ago, Lioness98 said:

his family probably migrated from east Punjab. I remember reading Punjabi Muslims who migrated from east Punjab adopted Islamism as a consequence of losing their homes, families, etc. It turned them into radicals.

Anjem was a boozing weed smoker during his Uni days. He was known as "Andy " Choudary. 

His piousness came afterwards.

[dallysingh101]

15 hours ago, Lioness98 said:

his family probably migrated from east Punjab. I remember reading Punjabi Muslims who migrated from east Punjab adopted Islamism as a consequence of losing their homes, families, etc. It turned them into radicals.

Might also explain his hatred of Sikhs? I'm pretty sure he was (at least partly) behind bringing coaches of sullay to Southall on Vasaikhi, includng black converts?

Funnily enough I swear I saw him on the street a few months ago.  

[proactive]

12 hours ago, Ranjeet01 said:

Anjem was a boozing weed smoker during his Uni days. He was known as "Andy " Choudary. 

His piousness came afterwards.

That's always the case, the interesting fact is that while those who become practising Hindus, Christians, Jews, Sikhs, Buddhists tend to become on the whole much better human beings, the same is not the case for Muslims. The worse ones are the ones who get that mark on their forehead from constantly bowing and praying.