Anybody read the book by Earnest Trumpp, translation of Guru Granth Sahib Jij

[GurjantGnostic]

35 minutes ago, Ranjeet01 said:

Trumpp as a Christian is thinking the Guru Granth Sahib Maharaj is like the bible. 

Christians do not revere  the bible like we revere Guru Granth Sahib Ji.

The Bible is just a book where they leave it in a drawer or a bookcase. It's treated like a text book with lines and notes etc.

 

Most abrahamics don't even know what the bible is. Still. Despite archeological explanation, and the explanation by the author's descendents. It's hilarious. 

Talk about a handicap. 

 

[dallysingh101]

2 hours ago, Ranjeet01 said:

Transaction is probably the wrong word.

It's like nicking a diamond and putting a bit of rubble in exchange. 

It is taking something superior and replacing it with something inferior.

The Christian mindset is trying to place basic arithmetic framework onto something which is PhD Maths.

I think this is it. 

It's impossible to frame Sikhi within some binary/duality framework upon which the whole of western thought is revolved around.  

[Redoptics]

Hmmm what I'm perplexed with is the amount of times Nirmla Sikhism, have been associated with anything anti Sikhi . Its like everywhere I turn their name is there. So very strange.

[Ranjeet01]

One of the ironies of Christians in their attempt to digest eastern/Dharmic philosophies (probably played a contributing factor) is that they have de-Christianised their own societies.

Is it any wonder that Atheism is the fastest growing in the west. 

 

[Ranjeet01]

One of things I am beginning to realise is that translations don't always do justice because translations do not explain the full meaning of words.

Though translations can give an essence, it's never really enough.

Words in Bani are multi-dimensional.

Translations into English makes it one-dimensional. 

[Singh1989]

On 2/14/2022 at 12:43 AM, NaamTiharoJoJape said:

apparently he gave up 1/3 of the way thru aad sri guru granth sahib maharaj and called gurbani very repetitive

there are claims that he would act very rude with sikhs and disregard all maryada and even consume/smoke tobacco while pursuing his work of translation

kind of the whole reason for max arthur mcauliffe to begin translating bani because of how biased this firangis work was

I havent read any of this guys work beyond the beej mantr manglacharn, the arth of which he completely butchered as being a version of the hindu concept of "om" 

Shame really, on the path to invaluable seva as well... No wonder he died young. Anyone against Sikhi or ridiculing it on a national level, they don't have a long life. 

[dallysingh101]

On 2/15/2022 at 12:36 PM, Ranjeet01 said:

One of things I am beginning to realise is that translations don't always do justice because translations do not explain the full meaning of words.

Though translations can give an essence, it's never really enough.

Words in Bani are multi-dimensional.

Translations into English makes it one-dimensional. 

There is a whole rhythmic - sound element missing with translations too. Call it vibrations. That you can only get with the original. It's not all about semantics. 

[Ranjeet01]

20 hours ago, dallysingh101 said:

There is a whole rhythmic - sound element missing with translations too. Call it vibrations. That you can only get with the original. It's not all about semantics. 

A lot of the Bani is compiled like musical verses, it is written like poetry, it can be sung like a hymn, and it can be read.

There are many levels to Bani. 

Our Gurus understood how to connect the human to the divine.

The reason in part why Bani is written in poetry form which can be sung is that it makes it easier to memorise. A lot of words in Bani which rhyme can have opposite meaning for example Dukh and Sukh. 

People that get caught up in Semantics miss the wood for the trees.

I like Germans but their language is not particularly romantic and I do not know any German poetry or songs other than the 99 red balloons or Beethoven. 

 

 

[Ranjeet01]

This is how German sounds like compared to other languages:

 

This is how Trumpp was trying to translate Bani into German

[Redoptics]

30 minutes ago, Ranjeet01 said:

A lot of the Bani is compiled like musical verses, it is written like poetry, it can be sung like a hymn, and it can be read.

There are many levels to Bani. 

Our Gurus understood how to connect the human to the divine.

The reason in part why Bani is written in poetry form which can be sung is that it makes it easier to memorise. A lot of words in Bani which rhyme can have opposite meaning for example Dukh and Sukh. 

People that get caught up in Semantics miss the wood for the trees.

I like Germans but their language is not particularly romantic and I do not know any German poetry or songs other than the 99 red balloons or Beethoven. 

 

 

Bani is Guru and Guru is bani