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  1. Foundation of Sri Harimandar Sahib: Sri Guru Arjan Dev or Sai Mian Mir? Taken from “Sri Harimandar Sahib Sunehri Itihaas” published by Dharam Parchaar Committee SGPC Translated by Admin www.tapoban.org Foundation of Sri Harimandar Sahib Sri Guru Arjan Dev jee and Baba Buddha jee consulted with the leading Sikhs of the time and set a day for setting the foundation stone of Sri Harimandar Sahib. A great congregation took place of 1 Maagh, 1654 Bk. The Sarovar had been drained in preparation and the divaan took place in the sarovar itself. Sri Guru jee explained the meaning of Harimandar and t
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  2. This is indeed infuriating and I've highlighted this before also. You have to literally "beg" to build a Gurdwara Sahib or Mandir in a Muslim country, but all you need for a mosque in a Western country is regular paperwork and you're all set. The world needs to wake up, and wake up before its too late. Name just one non-Muslim country where Muslims are oppressed. Now name a Muslim country where non-Muslims are oppressed (you better have enough pen and paper for this one). You guys don't know the experience of growing up as a Hindu in the Middle East. Each time I hear "religion of peace", I
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  3. This law of banning non Muslims from using Allah is because of Christian missionaries. Everywhere Christian missionaries try to proselytize people using some questionable methods like using terminology of other religions in order to make Christianity seems more acceptable to the locals. But what I find strange about Muslims in this is that when they are in foreign countries they expect to have the right to do their Dawa and win converts to Islam, but they deny the same rights to non Muslims in Islamic lands. They even go to the extent of making apostasy from Islam against the law and many time
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  4. We are not Brahmins now are we. Killing an animal is not any remover of fear. Amrit Naam, Gurbani, Gur-Shabad, etc are all more than sufficient in terms of TRULY removing fear from DEEP within. ਅੰਮ੍ਰਿਤੁ ਨਾਮੁ ਪੀਓ ਮਨੁ ਤ੍ਰਿਪਤਿਆ ਅਨਭੈ ਠਹਰਾਇਓ ॥੨॥ ਕਰਤਾ ਹੋਇ ਸੁ ਅਨਭੈ ਰਹੈ ॥੨॥ ਸਭ ਦੇਖੀਐ ਅਨਭੈ ਕਾ ਦਾਤਾ ॥ ਤਿਨ ਭਉ ਨਿਵਾਰਿ ਅਨਭੈ ਪਦੁ ਦੀਨਾ ਸਬਦ ਮਾਤ੍ਰ ਤੇ ਉਧਰ ਧਰੇ ॥ You think it is jhatka that got Singhs the courage and fearlessness to fight thousands in opposition? Yeah right... All 11 palaces (home) of Guru's-Jot were fearless (just look at their life history for countless examples), and there is absolutely no pro
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  5. Many mainstream sikhs have misconception regarding nihangs training and claim their knowledge of weaponry are outdated as they are totally oblivious by the fact there are are many nihang high military standard codes/chivalary/shastars which were used in mahabharata mentioned in sri sarbloh granth. I am not a nihang by any stretch but i have been blessed to spent good amount learning (still learning) nihang idealogy, methodology and sidhant of sri dasam granth and sri sarbloh granth. This modern weaponary is nothing compared what we had previously. Akaal purkh is beant so as Khalsa is b
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  6. IntroductionThe practise of Jhatka is one of the most recognisable rituals of the Nihang Singhs. It involves killing an animal, usually a goat, with one swift swing of a sword which painlessly kills the animal with one blow. Jhatka is one of the most contentious and misunderstood traditions of the Nihang Singhs. It has always been an important tradition within the Khalsa and its existence is well documented in historical literature. At major festivals and celebrations Nihang Singhs perform Jhatka and distribute the resulting goat meat which is termed Mahaparshad, meaning blessed food. Within t
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  7. I've talked to a Giani Ji from Taksal, they respect the jhatka tradition although are in favor of vegetarian diet. I won't say which Giani Ji because I don't know if what Giani Ji said is controversial, but I believe it to be true. Giani JI said that Guru Sahib allowed the jangi soorme to consume maas only by jhatka.
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  8. These kinds of myths may look good in inter-faith discussions and meetings but we need to adhere to the truth rather than what may suit us at these discussions. It is clear that Guru Arjan laid the foundation stone of Harmandir Sahib. The Gurus built many towns and cities but no one has ever claimed that non-Sikhs no matter how friendly they were with the Gurus were allowed to lay the foundation stones.
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  9. So just let me try and understand this. We are feeling proud of Sikhs who date Muslim girls, but scream when the tables are turned. Hang on, leave grooming aside for a minute, don't come up with the "but Sikhs don't groom" logic, I already know they don't. My point is, where is the Khalsa character here? Pre-marital relationships are a no-no, no matter how much anyone sugarcoats it. Its a NO-NO, period! And PLEASE spare me that old "just because they are dating doesn't mean they are sleeping" argument. I wasn't born yesterday :D Whats funny is, we can't abide by Guru Sahib's Hukam, and at th
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  10. Kill a chicken to be initiated sounds like a voodoo ritual or some kind of motorcycle gang not Guru da khalsa. I agree with jonny101 they should be training in modern warfare tactics and weapons but still hold onto our Guru given shastars too.
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  11. Unity within diversity. Yes we need one generic maryada which caters all aspects of khalsa. I beleive sri akaal takth sahib maryada does..it may not be perfect when it comes to jhatka allowed for all, its should be only allowed for nihangs part of tradition. I myself veggie just like you but i do try to understand various different aspects of sikhi all blended in khalsa. Fair point, true but jhatka tradition has deeper meaning as i mentioned systematically (with dasam bani and jhatka) invoking shakti, if students does not get it or wraps their head around it ignoring the shakti aspec
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  12. We also need to read uthanka(historical event) behind gurbani talking about kachi bani to understand more about what is kachi bani. Nevertheless, Kachi bani would be mixing deliberately one's own writing within gurbani stanzas via editing- audio/visual/video or any other form for that matter. Rest are all dharnas, kavita sung in prem of sargun/nirgun akaal purkh. Here is the recent example of kachi bani..its from this pseduo chelas of this pseudo kusant trying to mimic/infuse his own name in gurbani. Here is the picture..this is prime example of kachi bani:
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  13. Thirdly, Giani Gurdev SIngh Jee is singing lines from Bhai Nand Lal Jee's Rehatnama. ਵਾਹਿਗੁਰੂਗੁਰਜਾਪਏੇਵਾਹਿਗੁਰੂਕਰਧਿਆਨ ਮੁਕਤਲਾਭਸੋਹੋਇਹੈਂਗੁਰਸਿਖਰਿਦਿਮਹਿਮਾਨ॥ (੪੦) And as per Sikh Rehat Maryada: c. In the congregation, kirtan only of Gurbani (Guru Granth’s or Guru Gobind Singh’s hymns) and, for its elaboration, of the compositions of Bhai Gurdas and Bhai Nand Lal, may be performed. Here is a link to the composition: http://searchgurbani.com/bhai_nand_lal/rahitnama
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  14. Just an idea I had, and I hope these words can express it, but when I look around at younger Sikhs today, those who follow Sikhi, to any extent seem to be into everything and anything Sikhi. I was thinking about this, cos I have been like this in my younger days, but now have realised that there are so many areas to work in, for the betterment of the panth, that it is impossible to do every one. Rather than be a jack of all trades and expert in none, i made a decision to look at what things in the panth can be improved and do sewa specifically for that. So i made a decision to work on 2 mai
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  15. Yes according to the hostile Mullah named Bootay Shah, you are correct.
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  16. I have never heard of chickens being sacrificed in Nihang initiation ceromonies... But on the ideoligy iof Jhatka , Mahaprashad and shaheedi degh/sukha/Bhang .. These are all authentic traditional Khalsa Nihang traditions and they are all relevant to the sant-sipahi life style. Jhatka is also not purely about meat, it is the philosophy and underpinning of the Akali Nihang combat systems..I.E: quick efficient smooth one strike kills of the enemy using vital points, eyes, neck, throat, groin etc.. The Khalsa lifestyle is "tyar bar tyar" always ready, and "chakarvarti" always on the move. You ea
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  17. True religions always build bridges not walls between people. Guru Arjan Dev ji , just like Guru Ramdass ji were the chief force behind it. Mian Mir ji laid the foundation stone. Just like Sant Attar Singh ji laid foundation stone for Benaras Hindu University.
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  18. The original post is updated with what Bhai Kahn Singh Nabha Jee has to say as well.
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  19. Sain Mian Mir was a great saint no doubt. He was close to Guru Jee just as many other Muslim saints were close to the Gurus. But let us examine where the story of Mian Mir laying the foundation came from? before Giani Gian Singh, no Sikh of the Guru ever claimed it. The first person to make this claim was a Mullah named Bootay Shah who wrote Sikh history portraying Sikhs in a negative light while showing Muslims in a positive light. It was in response to him that Ratan Singh Bhangoo wrote his Panth Prakash setting the record straight.
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  20. Veer Jee, it is kind of a mix of both. I'm pretty sure that there is no need for me to explain the acceptance of doing Keertan of Shabads from Guru Granth Sahib Jee. Then comes Guru Gobind Singh Jee's Shabads/Bani. Up till now, almost all Sikhs accepted most of Dasam Granth Sahib and at least some of Sarbloh Granth Sahib as Guru Gobind Singh Jee's work. So naturally, Sikhs would want to sing some of those Shabads as well, the same way we do Paath of Guru Gobind Singh Jee's Baaneea. Then comes Bhai Gurdas Jee's Shabads. It is common knowledge that Guru ArjanDev Jee Himself endorsed Bhai Gur
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  21. So langar we get in gurdwaras is not bibeki then because most of the time it's prepared by non-amritdhari sikhs? In dal panth the maryada for preparing langar is very strict. Only tyar bar tyar naam abyhasi singhs who have gurbani kunt can do langar seva. No outsider and definitely no non-amritdhari is allowed in the vicinity of where the langar is being prepared, they are not even allowed to wash the sarb loh dishes. However they are allowed to eat as much as they like in the langer lol
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  22. Jhatka is always performed at jorh mele and this is usually when the dals hold Amrit sanchars but it is not compulsory for new singhs to have to eat mahaprashad and it definitely is not a part of any initiation and new singhs defiantly DO NOT have to jhatka a chicken, don't know where people get this rubbish from! There is a very high percentage of nihangs who do not eat meat, it's optional. Chakarvati Singhs eat mahaprashad on a regular basis because of their lifestyle which western singhs living in comfortable homes with heating, hot water and nice comfy beds will not understand. Yes you ar
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  23. Maha Prashad is not something I have heard of until this post. The term Maha Prashad to me would mean the great blessing. Does this mean that it is greater than the Karah Prashad served in Gurdwaras? Is it greater than Gur Prashad? Is it greater than Amrit? From what I have been taught in gurmat classes is that a Sikh only sacrifices themselves before Guru Ji (hence taking Khande thi Pahul symbolises sacrificing oneself). Once someone has sacrificed themself then they have nothing left to sacrifice, because everything essentially belongs to Guru Ji/Waheguru (Tan, Man, Dhan Sabh Saop Gur Ka
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  24. Dear Big_Tera, below are our Guru's and all the Bhagat's views on circumcision, including quotes from Dasam Granth Sahib. I have copied this article from http://sikhism.about.com/od/gurugranthsahib/qt/What-Does-Gurbani-Say-About-Circumcision.htm. Tomorrow, we may find advantages in all sort of tricks adoped by Sidh-Purush/Babas or any other religion to control their sexual lust, to control their lust towards "MAYA", but Guru Nanak and Guru Granth Sahib view/opinion on these tricks categorises these as Manmat, and not the Gurmat way of controlling your lust. I fully agree with you when you say
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  25. Lets not forget that ALL the weapons and swords that Nihangs carry and you see them wearing in their bana are NOT for show, they are for real use !! We can learn a lot from the mindset of True nihangs. Yes, I know there are always going to be the ones that abuse jhatka for taste of the tongue but a real and True Nihang won't be buying KFC or other meats from places. They carry their weapons and shastar to use and not for display like a few singhs we may know. In this sense "They try to practice what they preach'' and you could say they also practice what they eat ! I'm not sure how the
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  26. True Veer Jee, I get what you mean. And you're right. Olden day warfare was much more complex than people think. There were guns, cannons, catapults, animal-involvement and chemical warfare as well.
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  27. Bhai Sahib Bhai Randhir Singh Jee has written a book on how worship of Guru Granth Sahib Jee is worship of Akaal Purakh. And Giani Sant Singh Maskeen Jee has countered Hindu/Muslim propaganda as well head on. Don't compare ritualistic cutting off an innocent goats head to bowing down to Guru Granth Sahib Jee. That comparison isn't even valid. Look how low you have to go in order to try and support manmat practice of so-called nihangs. We know why we matha taik to guru sahib. It's living guru and to do bhagti of guru sahib in nine forms but many sikhs ignore sargun and nirgun saroop f
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  28. What good will killing a chicken do? That' proves nothing. Instead they should have something like a physical test like being able to shoot from an x number of yards or being able to do 100 pushups :wow: During the olden times, the Nihangs were like the elite of Sikh armies. They were the best and most skilled at warfare of the time. Sadly, Nihangs have been unable to transition their warrior heritage and project it into modern battle field tactics and weaponry. They are stuck in the past. A Nihang of today should ideally be as trained as a US Navi Seal if not better. A Sikh of today should
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  29. Savinderpalsingh how is jhatkaing a chicken a part of initiation for nihangs? What dal has this initiation? I must have missed something! Better still, what Dal do you belong too who made you Jhatka a chicken as a part of an initiation for becoming a Nihang?!! I would like to talk to the jathedar of that Dal. Bhenji the only initiation a Nihang goes through is being blessed with Khanda da Amrit administered by the panj pyare in the presence of Sri Guru Granth Sahib Ji and Sri Dasam Granth Sahib Ji. In respects to the tradition and maryada of Jhatka then yes this is a part of Akali Nihang
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  30. Then by that logic, nihangs should swing their sword towards their own heads, or the heads of their fellow nihangs....that would be a true test of whether or not they are "above/de-attached from gunas". Why sacrifice the chicken/goat? Why not themselves?.... This whole diversity nonsense is the reason Sikh Panth is in such a mess. No two groups get along 100% with each other. There is always someone stirring up trouble due to differences in Maryada. Differences that have been purposely put into Sikhs in order to keep us from actually achieving something great together. Eating meat/killing a
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  31. Taksal including nananksar/rara sahib/harkhowale is root primarily vaishanav/advait (nirmale) order which is primarily meant to promote bhagti, vidya/gyan. Nihang is in root shakti order which is primarily meant to promote shakti -bhaugti with perception of life and death part of same coin, they invoke kaal- mahakaal relationship per sri dasam guru granth and everything is part of three gunas. They do jhatka to invoke shakti, and perception of whole creation being made out of gunas and khalsa meant to be above/de-attached from gunas. So its understandable difference in maryada as Sikhi in
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  32. The title of this thread is hilarious! It looks like we're starting a grooming agency of our own! :lol2: :lol2: :lol2:
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  33. Basically they are afraid that muslims may realize that Allah is the same in all religions and not just for muslims hence their so called kafir agenda goes out of window and muslim women and others may even think about converting because of all the lies and hypocrisy that they have been fed for generations by these mullahs is just man made bs.
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  34. And no one questioned him at that moment or gave him a slap typical, yet they fight and turbans come off over a political or committee seat/ issue, seriously we have some dumb people amongst us, who follow like lambs to the slaughter! Logic should have prevailed a Guru who gave his four sons, mother and father , would do the kind of deeds that this dusht is accusing him of, he could have had a harem of women, his sons were offered titles and the hands of beautiful maidens and much more, and the sangat sat there and let him say all of this :no: :nono:
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  35. Veerjee, you obviously haven't listened to the video in which Baba Ranjit Singh clearly outlines what is kachee banee. TuhinTuhin has also provided you with more material describing what kachee banee is and isn't (though I've not had the opportunity to listen to this yet). By your thinking, kaveesharees and dhadi vaaran are also culprits for kachee banee?
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  36. Couldn't agree more. The idea is to show co-passion not compassion that we are doing animals a favor by treating them right. Its just a matter of time as human consciousness rises as a whole that we see our arrogance. There was time when blacks, women, handicaps ..... were treated like crap, but now its like almost unthinkable.
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  37. What charities can we donate to to help those affected by the cyclone?http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-asia-24507810 India 12 October 2013 Last updated at 20:14 Cyclone Phailin makes landfall in India A huge cyclone that has forced as many as 500,000 people to flee their homes has made landfall in eastern India. Winds were measured at 200 km/h (125mph) as Cyclone Phailin hit the coast near Gopalpur, Orissa state, at about 21:15 (15:45 GMT). Authorities had predicted a storm surge of at least 3m (10ft) that was expected to cause extensive damage. Officials say they are better prepa
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  38. I feel the same way.. its just another exercise nothing more..
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  39. Yes, most likely. Most people on here are British, while I am Canadian.
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  40. After reading Bhaji Taranpreet Singhs post, I thought I'd watch the programme on MATV due on from 7-8pm. Having never heard of MATV I looked through the TV channels to see what MATV was about. At approx 6.15pm, when I switched over to MATV I was surprised to see a programme about Hindu astrology. I thought it was the wrong channel so I switched to another channel. After checking a while later I switched back to MATV at 6.45pm and the same programme about Hindu astrology was on but I let the channel run. My son who was nearby asked why we were watching a Hindu channel. I had to explain that Si
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  41. Waheguru Ji Ka Khalsa, Waheguru Ji Ki Fateh All valid points SRIWAHEGURU, Thank you. At a result I have used the 'contact us' form on Sikh Channel - http://www.sikhchannel.tv/contactus/ and posted the following message (using some of SRIWAHEGURUs words). Waheguru Ji Ka Khalsa, Waheguru Ji Ki Fateh The whole point of having "our own media" surely is to make the Total Respect of Dhan Sri Guru Granth Sahib Ji a priority above all else. As a member of the Sangat I humbly request that you continue to investigate and report on the Beadbi of at least 22 Saroops of Dhan Sri Guru Granth Sahib Ji Ma
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  42. Great post jashb paji. Only thing i would say is though lets please refer to these culprits as Dusths and not label any particular community within the Panth.The Sevadaar who Maharaj blessed with this mahaan seva of bringing this out to the rest of the Panth have written a very good true account of events, without once mentioning or blaming any specific community within the Panth. Baentee for all of us is to learn that anybody (irrespectve of so called Jaat or standing in the Panth) who disrepects Dhan Sri Guru Granth Sahib Jee Maharaj can never recieve Guru Jees blessings and their true colo
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  43. I have heard that he was the one to turn down Dr Ambedkar and 50,000 other dailts to take amrit and become sikhs on the orders of Gandhi I heard it from some dhadi jatha
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  44. It was mainly after 1984 that many Sikhs started the question the decisions of Master Tara Singh in 1947. I am quite skeptical that the British were concerned about the Sikhs and were offering them a Sikh state and it was Master Tara Singh who refused it. The British have a reputation for using one people against another and then leaving them in the lurch when they leave the country. They did the same with the Karen people in Burma and a host of others throughout their empire. The only people they stood by were the Ulster protestants and even engineered the partition of Ireland by giving large
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  45. There is ONLY ONE solution to fight the tyranny of Hindu India and Muslim Pakistan, and that is the Amrit of Sahib-E-Kamaal Sri Guru Gobind Singh Ji Maharaj! I hereby call upon and request ALL those communities who want to live with dignity and honor to become Singhs and Kaurs if they want their future generations to live with dignity and honor. Whether its the Hindus of Afghanistan, or the Hindus of Pakistan (Sindh/Balochistan), or the Kashmiri Pandits, or the Dalits, or any other community suffering humiliation by these two countries. Guru Sahib called out in 1699, He has been calling out ev
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  46. True, Mastar Tara Singh was not a bad person as some have begun to make him out this way. His intention was always good for the Sikhs. He made the mistake of not insuring any safe guards for the Sikh nation just in case Hindu leaders go back on their word(as they later did). He trusted the Hindu leaders who back stabbed him after 1947. He greatly regretted his decision for blindly trusting them and not taking advantage of keeping political sovereignty while the Brits were there and more than willing to offer it to the Sikhs. Sikhs would later learn that the British were not that bad as the Hin
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