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2 of them rang up, both became sulli's, listen out for their reasons, its so dumb u will be astonished ppl as thick as them walk this planet.Not even 99%, but 100% of the time, ppl leave sikhi coz they actually dont kno anything about it! Eg, "my grandad died, i couldnt cope with it, i found a new religion"...wat utter clowns!

Sikhi has many aspects. And sometimes they dont resonate really well. Like saint and soldier. A saint would never retaliate or intervene, he would think everything is gods hukam. A soldier would resort to weapons as a first means for any problem. Balance is key, one has to determine when to be what. So here,the concept of treating nature as containing gods light and the concept of treating our guru as the highest king are at odds. Flowers and the best most beautiful things are offered to our guru, such as honey,ivory,milk, and silks,kasthoor and kesar. Most of these things are taken away from animals and trees, sometimes forcibly. But these are the things offered to royalty. So why wouldnt we offer to guruji? Some people get upset when milk/yogurt is used to wash takhats and nishaan sahibs. Because they believe it is a waste of food. I think it depends on an individuals' sharda. If u are offering out of respect and love, it will be accepted. If u are having doubts about it being moral, dont do it. But also dont try to stop others from doing it. As they are doing it for the right reasons. Myself, Ive found, whatever we do for the guru will never be wrong. He will accept it and make it right. For example, we had a drought, but because guru sahib was coming to our house, we had to wash all our verandahs, windows, and driveway. I felt really guilty and bad for wasting water on just cleaning. But the next day, when guru ji came, it rained out of nowhere in the summer, but only for a little while. Just enough to replenish what we had used, i thought. So from then on,i never doubt anything that is done for guruji. To show him respect or love. Also, ive learned that if u want ur rosebushes to flower all year long, just cut the flowers. Then the plant will keep producing flowers to make seeds. If u dont cut flowers, the plant only flowers once, the petals fall off, and it forms rosehips which has seeds. So a lot of people cut flowers to keep roses on rose plants. Also, what of people who sell flowers for a living? Mostly thats where sikhs buy them from for throwing. But u are right, slowly the new generation should stop phasing out these old tradtitions that are not environmentally friendly. Or have no use like washing with milk. We shouldnt stop older generation from doing it. Just dont do it ourselves. And it will phase out.

Brorher, I can very well understand your feelings , but you must bear in mind that many a times, more than one's wishes, likes or dislikes, what prevails is one's adjustments of karmas in the form of destiny with certain people, in certain envoirements...and against this settlement nothing can be done. Just as you for example, you were born in your actual family and nowhere else. Also we should remember we are all independent individuals, mostly interelated by karmas. Our true permanent relation is with Wahiguru alone, no matter in what joonee, in what dharam, or mazab we are born. So brother cheer up and bless your sister with happiness wherever she maybe. More than that, we humans can hardly do much more. Sat Sree Akal

What Balkaar said is right, but if you decide too not go dont force your parents to not go. Make your own decision, let them make their own. Dont ruin their relationship with her, because of your beliefs.

Not attend as a sign of protest? Protest against what veerji? She's not marrying this Hindu in a Gurdwara, there is no beadbi here. Be thankful that she hasn't gone all bridezilla like some other Sikh girls who impose their egos and their manmat on our Guru Ghars. She, a non-Sikh (by virtue of her actions), is marrying a non-Sikh in a non-Sikh place of worship. There is nothing there which should offend the sensibilities of any Gursikh. Have you never attended the wedding of a Hindu/Muslim/Christian intimate of yours? This is no different from that. Go to her wedding, enjoy yourself. Don't let this nonissue ruin such a close relationship brother. All the best, I hope your good sense prevails .

The quran disrespecying videos are not made by him they are just in his playlist of already old youtube clips posted by mostly white americans years ago. The videos he has created now are recent and only attacking Sikhism. His username is a swear word and anti-khalistani suggesting he is a hindu extremist who has been butt hurt by recent support and surge in demand for khalistan. And we all should know by now that the most extreme hindus that hate khalistan are usually hindu punjabi brahmin terrorists so we have narrowed it down to prime suspects. Interestingly at the same time he uploaded anti-Sikh videos the website islam-sikhism.info (allegedly created by a muslim) posted more propaganda videos on his channel. And he uses the same kind of language as the brahmin hindu extremist on their anti-khalistan page and even has a link to the anti khalistan page on their sikhism islam facebook page. So is islam-sikhism.info website also created by a brahmin hindu posing as a muslim (abu abeeda) to try and cause tension between muslims and sikhs? so in conclusion its 1) Either its a hindu punjabi brahmin (highly likely) 2) Or a pakistani muslim punjabi (possible but unlikely)

You will never get a fair debate with the BBC, these shows are weighted in favour for a particular agenda. I would suggest that every Sikh should boycott BBC Asian Network. The less you try to answer the more it becomes the leftist echo chamber that it is. The Asian community is built on the backs of Sikhs and once Sikhs don't bother with that pile of junk, the foundations will break until the Government see sense and get rid of that ridiculous license fee. BBC is no longer relevant and sooner it gets cut down to size the better.

This is not Bhangra culture nor is it Heer and Sahiba.Bhangra culture is very 1980s. These girls are born in the 90's or later. They wouldn't know Heer and Sahiba if it bit them in the backside. A lot of these issues begin at home. These are the next generation of girls doing this type of thing, their mothers and aunts were before them. I cannot focus on anyone's daughters or sisters but my own, you can only bring them up the right way. I suggest you all do the same.

No doubt this has a lot to do with our Bhangra culture that these girls grow up in over romanticizing the examples of heer and sahiba.

Thing is, if they get them young enough, and have sex with them, the girls form often form enduring bonds with them. Plus, with a lot of girls in this situation, when other apnay call them out or try and advise them, they get even more excited and start feeling like Juliet out of Romeo and Juliet. Bandha kee karay?

Any1 listen to nihals show 2day? It was about 'whether u should stay in the religion ur born into?'. Of course ex sikhs did their own behsti as usual, no suprises it was low IQ bandhari's.

Looll... Howcome there's never any accountability by the girls that end up in these situations for their own actions ??? There's enough education out there and there have been several cases of grooming reported all over news for at least the last 3 years. Ignorance is no excuse in this day and age. Dopey skets, cry "grooming" when they caught out...

VAHEGURU JI KA KHALSA, VAHEGURU JI KI FATEH As long as Youtube keeps the video - I reported to United Sikhs. I did not report to Youtube as I don't want the videos simply to disappear, only to reappear under another user name or location outside of Youtube. He needs to be found and prosecuted under whatever applicable law.

I've been told she was groomed from an early age so maybe we should change the approach.

Who cares I say. She chose him on her own, she wasnt a victim of grooming or anything. You cant stop them if they willingly go to muslim guys.

Unfortunately , many fall into the trap of thinking anything written about sikhi must true before even considering the motivations of the writers ... I've seen enough mangled gurbani translations and quotes to be sceptical at least ... it's websites with open edit facility that are most prone to attack by antisikh elements .

I'm not a troll. The forum script removed my formatting and made it more uniform which caused the ambiguity. Chill out famEdited title

The Only protection is knowledge and familiarity with all three granths, also being au fait with the sikh history since Guru Pita ji's Akhri Hukham, the bhekhi brahmins know they must yield to Guru Nanak Devji but they will use all means to hold onto power and thus will try to attack our roots at every turn

A true sikh child would attend such a wedding and see for their own so that it sticks in their heads. The pain and dissappointment and shame on the parents' face still shows even if they look happy. When you don't go to close weddings then the blame later on can easily shift on you as being the person who jinxed it if it doesn't work. Factors which are beyond your control need to be taken as the will of God to pacify the mind. This is of course not in the support of interfaith marriage as somewhere in the rehatnama it clearly states that a sikh should marry a sikh. Non sikhs can marry who ever they want. If her parents are happy then it's the maya reason not the marrying a hindu reason. My mum always came back from such a wedding and told us if would have been better if xyz did marry an xyz person. This example however was however from a muslim getting married to a hindu.

Brother, we cannot play God. If it is her destiny to marry this fellow, she will marry him.

All you can do is accept this as the hukam of Waheguru. Marriages are made in heaven and carried out on earth. If her heart is not in sikhi then you can't blame yourself All you can do is be a good sikh yourself and see all in one light. Sikhs do not look down upon any ond else. Its not the best of situations to be in in. If she looked after you when you were young this is the least you can do for her as a payback. Do attend her wedding and wish her best of luck. Remember always its Waheguru's will which always happens not ours. Its not for us to choose who will marry who and which religion they will choose to follow.

Quit your day job, then what? Do you think the maya will go away? Live in the present. Focus on your task before you. The mind becomes untouchable by pain if you remember a shabad, either in kirtan form or just read out. Remember a pankti and let the tune play in your head. Quietly say it as you work. The pain of the mind increases when we start to believe we can do it all by ourselves. Start tasks off by a sincere ardas saying, Guru Sahib you are my only support and you give me all and take care of me every second. It's got to be from the heart, and don't say I can do.... Ask for Guru Sahib to bless you with Doing seva. Try your best to focus on the seva and do the best you can. Don't look for shortcuts in the seva and do simran (remember Vaheguru while doing seva) Seva could be simply going out of your way to do something for someone else without expecting anything back. Without looking at good and bad, do seva. Quitting your job will not make the pain go away. Isolating yourself from the world will not make the world pain free. Sitting in a quiet place to learn Gurbani teachings is virtuous. Recognize Vaheguru is infused in everything. Look at the world through the eyes of Gurbani. The people in the world use many tricks in their lives to cover up their shortcomings. Recognize how maya is used by majority, but stay in the sanctuary of Guru Sahib by staying truthful to the best of your ability. Someone wishes bad for you or tries to do bad to you. Do ardas for your own sake to stay on the narrow path of honesty, compassion, and contentment. One step at a time, Guru Sahib will grab you by the arm, when you truly fall down at his feet by listening to his Kirtan, katha, and paath. Listen with your heart and not your ears. The tongue may repeat his Gurbani, but is the mind absorbing his teachings? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QqrusZ_U9sQ

Chatanga, We have not always seen eye-to-eye on this board but you are 100% accurate here. Let's pray that Waheguru gives us the strength of deal with these masands.

I nominate OP for Best Newcomer on this site for 2015. He's turned up late in the day, but I like him already.