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  1. This is the undoing of over 500 years of history, we had always kept up our guard against these people and even though we might not have known on what basis their enmity towards us lay, we knew that being friends with them was always a bad idea. Although the liberalisation of our religion started in the 1970s with the infiltration of left wing types into our institutions and their attempts to push Sikh youth into Naxalism, it was in the early 2000s that this disease started to take full hold. Throughout the 1990s the Muslims had faced heat from the rising wave of Hindutva. Starting with Babri Masjid through to the Gujarat riots. The liberals, the Congress party and the Samajwadi and Leftist parties which have always allied with the Muslims and depended on their votes understood that they were losing Hindu support and that the Muslims would soon face more and more problems in their daily lives. So the liberals looked for others to ally with the Muslims so that there could be a buffer between the Muslims and Hindutva. That buffer was to be us and well have fallen for the liberal plan completely. Remember the so-called 'Guru Ki Maseet', when an ultra-liberal Delhi Sikh woman with connections to the liberal political establishment who incidentally is married to a Hindu came to Punjab in 2002 to preserve its heritage. Instead of trying to save Sikh historical buildings she started a project to publicise a Mosque which had been turned into a Gurdwara by the Nihangs and persuaded them that it needed to be preserved as a Mosque and returned to the Muslims. This Mosque for which there is scant evidence for its claims apart from the name which no one knows was first used to form a connection with Guru Hargobind suddenly became an important historical building. This Mosque was used as a basis to form a new narrative that Sikhs should be helping Muslims if the latter were without places to pray. This then started the idiocy of Sikhs in villages donating land for the building of Mosques in their villages. This all tied in with the start of social media and the epidemic of 'likes' and 'retweets' and then you have the perfect storm of one village seeing another build a Mosque and they then decide to do the same. The narrative is always that these Muslims are 'bacharay' - poor and oppressed and Sikhs need to stand up for them. The fact that they outnumber Sikhs in India by nearly 10-1 does not enter into this narrative because apparently we are needed as a buffer to take the bullets while Muslim cower in safety behind us. The Kathavachaks seeing the trend in Punjab then started to give some positive spins to Muslim religious figures as a part of their Kathas. Sikh newspapers latched on to the change in attitude and they started to publish positive news stories about Sikhs helping Muslims using terms such as sarab sanjhiwala - brotherhood and manukhta - humanity etc. If you read any pre-1990s newspapers, you never see the use of such liberal key phrases in their stories. Our egos were purposefully inflated by the liberals and we were presented as brave community that needed to denfend the Muslims, when the fact was that these very liberals had presided over and kept quiet when a whole generation of Sikh youth had been murdered in Punjab in the 1990s. Suddenly from being 'terrorists' and 'extremists' which the liberal media and liberal establishment had always presented any Sikh standing by his identity as, we were lauded with the slogans 'Singh is King'. If you want to see this transformation then read any pre-2001/2 liberal newspaper and then see the change in narrative after that. The plethora of Bollywood films highlighting the Sikh identity and presenting Sikhs as standing up to injustice is just a part of this narrative. Into this narrative comes Ravi Singh KA, a liberal looking for some purpose and in 1999 he starts his karobar- Khalsa Aid. He knows that the Sikhs abroad are much more aware than the ones in India and they would never fall from his liberal BS unless it is crouched in Sikhi, hence the use of Guru Gobind Singh's verse as its slogan without any context. The Kosovo situation in 1999 came as a godsend for him. An ideal opportunity to gain some credibility so he started to fund raise in the Gurdwaras. He wasn't very successful but the Khalsa Aid brand had been built. The next year he had people walking around in the Nagar Kirtans with buckets asking for money to help the Sikhs who had been massacred at Chattisingpora that year. I remember asking one of these guys if they could guarantee that all the money collected was going to these Sikhs. All he would say was that the money would go to KA 'projects' I doubt a penny of that money went to any of those Sikh families but this kind of emotional fund raising is the norm for KA. They use Sikh issues to raise funds which are invariably used for non-Sikh causes which can then be used to buttress Ravi Singh's claim to a Nobel prize. The liberals want to use us against Modi and Hindutva. They know that even though the Muslims are 200 million, they cannot stand up to Hindutva. So they want to use us. The liberal anti-CAA protests in Delhi were a farce and ended in ignominy. They tried to use us in that protest and some of our people fell for their nefarious efforts. One poor Sikh Lovepreet Singh fell for their narrative and went from Punjab to serve langar at the anti-CAA protests and he was eventually tortured by the Indian intelligence agencies and he was forced to commit suicide. None of these liberals did anything to help him. Their anti-CAA protests were ended by a few hundred BJP thugs attacking the protesters showed and showed that these liberals are essentially cowards. They then needed another protest to latch on to, this they did with the Farmers protest. If you research the early days of the farmers protests, when they reached Delhi, the liberals who had latched on to the protests wanted to take it in the direction of a protest solely against Modi and the farm laws were just a part of the greater struggle. The liberals who controlled many of the farm union leaders through the comrade organisations in Punjab wanted to use the Sikhs and Sikhi in order to confront Modi and the BJP. The Sikhi they wanted was the 'sarab-sanjhiwalta - type of Sikhi, the Sikhi of langars and Sikhs standing defending Muslims praying and they used many of these images in their propaganda. They had no use of the Sikhi of 'Raj Karega Khalsa', the Sikhi of the Nihangs and the Sikhi of the activists like Deep Sidhu who was using Sant Bhindranwale as a figure of inspiration. The liberals hated this, because they had been in power when Santji had been demonised and they could never allow the protest that they wanted to control to have anything to do with Santji. We all know how the interview of that arch liberal Barkha Dutt with Deep Sidhu went. Her refusal to even consider his contention that Santji was struggling against an oppressive government and that his demands were valid were hard for her to handle because the govt Santi was struggling against was a govt of liberals. Coming to the present, the liberal newspapers who have always been anti-Sikh such as the Hindustan Times, Indian Express and India today are lauding people like that i.diot Sherdil Singh Sidhu for offering the Gurdwara for Namaz. He has already been given an award by some liberal organisation! A real world version of a 'like' and 'retweet'! The positive development has been that Sikhs and Nihangs have opposed the Namaz and this idiocy has been nipped in the bud for now. I apologise for the length of this post, but one thing we need to realise is that each and every act no matter who small will snowball and end up hurting us. Some Sikhs on here support Ravi Singh and KA as if he is some sort of messiah. He is not, I have no personal enmity with him but I know that his actions lately in pursuit of a Nobel prize has shown his real face to us. Someone willing to throw aside the Rehat Marayada and openly call on Gurdwaras to go against the Rehat Maryada should be considered in the same manner as Gangu Bahman. Ravi Singh KA is the person that some claim as the greatest Sikh of the 21st Century. I have a question of that person, I think his username is Premi5. Compare the greatest Sikh of the 20th Century Santi with Ravi Singh KA. Do you really think that Santji would be fine with Namaz in a Gurdwara? Santji understood the need for religious boundaries, just as a Muslim would not be ok with us doing Kirtan in a Mosque, Sikhs should not be going against the Rehat Maryada and allowing Namaz in a Gurdwara.
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  2. is it normal for building funds to go to individual's accounts because here the gurdwara would have an account in its organisational name , here we have each gurdwara registered as a charity to make tax rebatable on donations .
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  3. Interesting that how Indians are getting beaten badly in this cyber game. A bhaiya sitting in front of 50$ computer spending 12 hrs a day trolling sikhs on twitter and facebook. Now multiply that with 10K + Same way the indian music industry hire these trolls to fake like their youtube videos. A simpleton cranky singer getting hundred millions view.. yeh right !!.. Indians from India think they are smart but they are plain stupid when they play the game of dishonesty. Nakal maran vasstay vi akkl chahadi ya.
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  4. I think the inevitability of this "liberal " ideology is that it will eat itself. You notice that they call each other allies. Eventually the white liberals and the muslims will turn on each other. The turncoats and traitors in our midst will be thrown under the bus. There is no loyalty amongst any of these allies. What the liberals don't get is that minorities are largely conservative and the globo -homo agenda that is being forced is going to create a massive backlash. That is what is going to happen on the macro-level of which we have no control. We have to focus on what we do have control over. Since intra-Sikh matters are not a big matter in the mainstream, we identify and call out the traitors and shame them.
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  6. I don’t think Bhagat Puran Singh ever got a Nobel prize, despite doing better sewa than Mother Theresa without any expectation of people converting. He actually gave his highest award back to the Indian government in 1984.
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  7. Ravi Singh's not getting a Nobel Peace prize. If he truly believes he can fundraise his way to one, he's deluded. Sikhs don't carry any leverage or impact the world in the social and political arenas that such "prestigious" awards require. To be let into the "club", you basically need to perpetuate the narrative of the status quo that's permeated the culture and history of Western nations for the past 80-100 years. Admittedly, he's latched onto the "Muslim victim" narrative thinking that will get him in, but he's misunderstood his own role in the situation. Him being a Sikh bending over backwards for Musleh doesn't mean squat, because in the wider Western world it's not commonplace knowledge that Muslims and Sikhs have a volatile history. Sure, there's pockets of civilians who know the tension exists (limited arguably to the British isles due to obvious colonial history), but in terms of this conflict's place in the greater context of Earth's history, it's just a medieval regional squabble that's been dragged out over the centuries because, as others might see it, prejudices being passed down the generations. Heck, the masses of the North American continent think Musleh and Sikhs are the same. Mainland Europe doesn't give a 5hit. So what's the "hook" that's going to be used in order to "sell" the emotive rhetoric that is required as background context for these cynical narratives? If Ravi Singh was Jewish or Christian (or even a Yazidi), then maybe the Establishment would take him to their bosom, because of the cultural and religious heft such a gesture entails. But as it is, he's selling out his religion and its long-term stability in regards to image and perception for very little to no actual gain.
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  8. How thick can these women be, if this article is genuine? What this seems to suggest is that Shrines in Pakistan which provide kafir yatras in momin land is enabling kafir female access for Abdul which they otherwise wouldn't get. This has the same energy as the gori that gets off with Pedro the waiter on her holiday in Spain? A Paki has a Sikh radar in that they can smell a Sikh blindfolded from a mile away. They must be hovering around Sikh females like Hyenas. Maybe these yatras should be predominantly male yatras and with women over the age of 45?
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  9. the only cases where this was appropriate was muslim bibiaan being banned from masjid and they asked if they could come to gurdwara (on the way to masjid) then the granthi offered if you want to pray the way you know you can do that in this other part of the building . The other was the masjid was literally underwater. Muslims know that they are offending us if they do their namaz in hazoori , that's why when they came to Amritsar to thank sikhs for helping the Kashmiri kids get home they prayed on road outside not inside parikarma
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  10. I don't see the point of usIng the gurdwara for prayers Muslims can lay down their mats and pray anywhere: on the street, in the park, in a lounge. But to do this, is like capitulating Muslims are probably thinking , " What a bunch of mugs, we do not need to conquer them, they are letting us do this! Alhamidullah! "
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  11. if you read who the beneficiary is it is this Dilbag Singh NOT the Gurdwara
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  12. That's the problem. People want shabaash. For many of those involved on our side, seeing the cultural shift and actually feeling agency - or the power to change the course of events - is more important than this. It's feedback that efforts can become fruitful, even when everyone is against you. It shows you that even most difficult things are achievable. I totally disagree with this. If you take the example of the growth of sullahism in england, you're not old enough to remember when it was a joke (probably weren't even born then), but I do. It's the quality of people we produce that matters. The effect at ground level outward with even just a tiny handful of people with conviction can be profound and enduring. Right now, our 'culture' (which I believe is not remotely Sikh but rather rural Panjabi) has no relevance to the vast majority. I think the Sikhs that will make the difference will be ground level individuals not the Joe Singh Blogs of Slough/Southall who are just following some weird hybrid pendu Panjabi-anglo culture. I don't think mainstream media has the impact it used to. Yeah, they'll try and demoralise us - for example I watched that Spiderman film set in europe lately and I note that whilst the pretty hijaban is shown everywhere, I only saw a turbaned, weird looking midget, in a long kurta in the airport scene. And if you truly believe our future depends on our ability to find space in mainstream western media, than you need to check your thinking. That's really disempowering ourselves, and turning these panchods into gods of sorts! People made a local impact in the 70s and 80s when there were the most insulting comical representations of brown people in everyday mainstream media - so it should be easier now. But if we continue to produce fudhoo nonsense about Flying Juts and Jut and Juliet etc. etc. etc., then we're only producing shallow rubbish for our own to consume (and make themselves even more of a joke) as well as producing stuff that has no value to any interested outsider either. That stuff just largely confirms the dumbo stereotype, and comical turbaned figure caricature.
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  13. We are the canaries in the coal mine again in this instance. But we have an opportunity here. We may not have control of the macro-situation but we may have the power to influence things. We Sikhs should do what we do best and carve our own path in tackling this menace. We pioneer, let's find a way. "Where there's a Singh, there's a way!"
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  14. Good thinking. We, or anyone can contact them, caution is always due, it looks legit to me though. I misread lol. Hold on. For a minute I thought you said a committee member could be the recipient. Either way. The bank info is in the Gurudwara's name it's the gofund.me that is in the unrecognized name.
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  15. @jasbirassi Thank you for posting and joining. Trust but verify and all that.
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  16. notice the absence of the name Dilbag Singh , I would proceed with extreme caution
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  17. Hmm can't decide whether to go with "The majority of Punjab police wore Dastar, kinda." Or. "The majority of Punjab police WERE Sikhs."
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  18. I don't agree. I think in the UK, anti-imperialist Sikhs have played a very important role culturally, and will continue to do so. I think those 'yes men' (and women) who've kept up that grinning pro-sepoy narrative are the delusional ones. I think Sikh culture can and will play a very important cultural part in the UK in future. I think it already has in terms of outing the widespread grooming problem in english society. More is to come when we start sharing our true ithihaas with all the inspiring figures within - as opposed to the docile rural sepoy types. I mean look at how much interest just one film on Udham Singh has generated. Our Sikh culture has a lot to offer and people can learn a lot from it. We just need to dislodge and marginalise the puppets.
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  19. So true. Not uncommon though is it. There is a need to please outsiders deeply rooted in many. This is the main issue I reckon. Plus the traitors have always been rewarded and prospered. We need to bring in the lexicon of 'gadaar' and chaaploose' into everyday apna language. It's hard to isolate these people because they are patronised and propped up, but I feel publically shaming them would be the most powerful way to shake them up. They're obsessed with their image - attack that.
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  20. KA is a brand and multi-millionaire charity..got to keep the funding running for your charity Maybe they get donations from muslims? I dont know, so hard to trust charties, easy to fall for 'Sikh' face and who knows what they are doing.. Yourseva has been doing good work in Panjab and they have 100% donation policy.
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  21. Also bare in mind hindu and muslims joined hands together during 80s 90s against Sikhs.. Whats the popualtion of Muslims in india like 200 million 2nd fastest growing religion in India were as our mere '20 million' Many Panjab police offices were muslims that killed innocent khrakus ... Chalo, guess you are running millionaire business charity, gotta do your thing lol... KA financial reports seems to raise eyebrows on how much they actually spend on 'seva' esp in Panjab.. Personally yourseva and munkhta de seva are doing good work in Panjab. Yourseva does alot of work helping shaheed families and 84 victims..if anyone wants to donate they are worth looking at
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  22. Interesting book we have at home
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  23. Ok . You might have more success if you get your message onto one of the UK Sikh Tv channels Also, you have donations from Gurdas Maan and Daler Mehndi. That’s unusual. They haven’t even donated much !
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  24. Sat Siri Akaal Ji If you had put application for planning to build a new Gurdwara, then what was the plan for funding it ? With so many local Sangat, surely they should be able to raise the money ? How do we know this is not a scam to get money ?
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  25. Sikh Farmers, Diaspora Sad But Not Surprised to Learn of Fake Social Media Accounts Against Protests Active members of the farmers' protest said they knew social media was being used to target them – and that's why they came up with their own social media strategy. 2 hours ago | Pawanjot Kaur In the month of December last year, a young Sikh man, Sukhpreet Singh, had publicly stated how the BJP IT Cell, for which he was working at the time, was running false propaganda against the farmers’ movement and the Sikhs. Following his public statement, he quit the IT cell. Speaking to The Wire, Singh said, “All of this (the findings of the report) is true.” When asked if the modus operandi at the BJP IT cell was similar to the one described in the CIR report, Singh said that a majority of the accounts at the BJP IT cell, at the time, were also operated by non-Sikh people pretending to be Sikh. Only a few accounts were operated by Sikhs, he said…. “I can say that the maximum number of accounts with Sikh names, run by the BJP IT at the time, are people who aren’t actually Sikh,” he said…. Harinder Singh, who works with official social media accounts of the Samyukta Kisan Morcha, told The Wire that the reason the farmers’ movement needed official social media handles was because they’d noticed such manipulation early on Full article at thewire.in/article/politics/sikh-farmers-diaspora-sad-but-not-surprised-to-learn-of-fake-social-media-accounts-against-protests/amp
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  26. I think this part of a larger Indic problem. Treachery has always been part of our DNA, however in our history and our Pre-Sikh heritage we have never dealt with treachery. There has never been any repercussions against traitors.
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  27. He is just following the western liberals and their playbook which highlights their alliance with the Jihadis. Liberals the world over whether they are in the US, UK, India etc have selected the Muslims to play the role of victims in their culture war so it doesn't matter if Muslims in their countries oppress minorities and LGBTQ, the liberals will keep quiet about that but when ever there is a terror attack in the west, the liberals are the first to highlight that Muslims may feel a backlash, the victims are quickly forgotten, case in point the Ariana Grande concert attack when a Jihadi targeted children and teenagers. Liberals did not allow any coverage of the victims and went straight to the kumbaya candle light protests and 'don't look back in anger' BS. Crowds in Manchester sing 'Don't Look Back in Anger' after minute's silence | 5 News - YouTube
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  28. So what's going on here, I'm not upto date on the specifics: Gurdwaras in India (or elsewhere) are opening up for Musleh to pray? What's wrong with their mosques?
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  29. Waheguru! Finally! And all these years people have been attacking certain apnay's hawkishness as paranoia. It's even much deeper than all this. Jago ayeaa!!
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  30. I think these are contemporary or near contemporary images of Akali Phoola Singh. We can get an idea of what they actually looked like from these:
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  31. The cops are part of the govt control structure to protect the system. They work with many agencies - courts, NHS, doctors, hospitals esp mental health to ensure the gravy train is kept going and noone us brought to book for crimes committed. Also often innocent victims are used as sacrificial lambs to protect the real perpetrators.
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  32. Institutional racism wasn't enough for the cops in the UK: Long-awaited report into unsolved axe murder of private detective Daniel Morgan is set to reveal Scotland Yard's 'culture of corruption and cover-up' Met Police is bracing for a damning report into the handling of a murder probe Police misled MPs over the 1987 murder of private detective Daniel Morgan Mr Morgan's brother Alastair hopes the report reveals 'institutional corruption' https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-9677835/Daniel-Morgan-report-set-criticise-Met-Police.html
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  33. It is known that the courts are used to protect people in the hierarchy for a specific agenda. Previously they would publish many photographic and other evidence which would be deciphered by seasoned researchers. And the official narrative would be exposed for the lie it was. So I wouldn't set store on what is being claimed here as the details being released are scant to say the least. But I have read that it involves people at the top.
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  34. We're only designed to eat meat in emergencies as far as I can tell. Carnivory is apocalypse mode.
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  35. I can verify that there are strong vegetarian sentiments in the Kobudo community. Not as prevelant now, but it is traditional.
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  36. It's a belief in a 'Power' that is beyond our immediate senses and submission to that 'Power' That is another way of saying they believe in God.
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  37. Well the confiscation of weapons is well documented. If you've read about the anglo-Sikh wars, they had good reason to be scared too. Not only was Sikh weaponry confiscated, I think also, the whole weapons industry (which would have been a considerable size in the Sikh kingdom) was dismantled. So the quality of newer weapons weren't near that which came before. You can see it even now, with the 'symbolic' chrome plated 'kirpaans' of today compared to a puratan talwaar. Giani Gian SIngh ji (writing outside of the Singh Sabha movement) clearly alludes to this: ਪਿੱਛੇ ਦਿਖਾਏ ਇਲਮਾਂ, ਹੁਨਰਾਂ ਨੂੰ ਬਨਾਵਟ ਸਮਝਣ ਵਾਲਿਆਂ ਨੂੰ ਅਸੀਂ ਅਪਣੇ ਨੇਤ੍ਰੀ ਦੇਖੀ ਵਾਰਤਾ ਦੱਸਦੇ ਹਾਂ।ਇਲਮ ਤੀਰੰਦਾਜ਼ੀ ਤੇ ਲੱਕੜੀ ਬਾਜ਼ੀ ਦਾ ਥੋੜ੍ਹੇ ਹੀ ਬਰਸ ਹੋਏ ਪੰਜਾਬ ਵਿਚਅਜੇਹਾ ਚਰਚਾ ਸੀ ਕਿ ਜਿਸਨੂੰ ਸੁਣਕੇ ਅਨੇਕ ਅੰਗ੍ਰੇਜ਼ੀ ਪੜ੍ਹੇ ਹੋਏ ਗੱਭਰੂ ਅਚਰਜ ਮਨਣਗੇ। ਸਰਦਾਰ ਅਮਰ ਸਿੰਘ ਮਜੀਠੀਆ, ਬੁੱਧ ਸਿੰਘ, ਵਸਾਵਾ ਸਿੰਘ ਸੰਧਾ ਵਾਲੀਏ ਵਗ਼ੈਰਾ ਅਨੇਕ ਸਰਦਾਰ ਕੜਾਹੇ ਵਿੱਚੋਂ ਦੀ ਤੀਰ ਨਿਕਾਲ ਦਿੰਦੇ ਸਨ ਤੇ ਜਿੱਥੇ ਚਾਹੁੰਦੇ ਓਥੇ ਹੀ ਬਾਣ ਮਾਰਦੇ। ਭਾਈ ਮਨੀ ਸਿੰਘ ਜੀ ਦਾ ਸਕਾ ਭਤੀਜਾ ਏਸ ਤਵਾਰੀਖ ਦੇ ਕਰਤਾ ਦਾ ਬਾਬਾ ਭਾਈ ਦਰਗਾਹਾਸਿੰਘ ਜੀ ‘ਸ਼ਬਦ ਬੇਧ’ ਅਰਥਾਤ ਅੰਧੇਰੇ ਵਿੱਚ ਜਿੱਥੋਂ ਆਵਾਜ਼ ਆਂਵਦੀ ਉਸ ਦੇ ਮੂੰਹ ਯਾ ਦੇਹ ਵਿੱਚ ਅਚੂਕ ਤੀਰ ਮਾਰਦਾ। ਏਹ ਬਾਤ ਕਨਖਲ ਵਿੱਚ ਅਨੇਕ ਆਦਮੀ ਸੁਣੀ ਹੋਈ ਸੁਣਾਯਾ ਕਰਦੇ ਹਨ ਕਿਉਂਕਿ ਓਹ ਓਥੇ ਹੀ ਜਾ ਰਹੇ ਸਨ। ਡੇਰਾ ਭੀ ਉਨ੍ਹਾਂ ਦਾ ਓਥੇ ਮਸ਼ਹੂਰ ਹੈ। ਅਨੇਕ ਦਰੱਖਤਾਂ ਦੇ ਵਿੱਚੋਂ ਓਨ੍ਹਾਂ ਨੇ ਤੀਰ ਕੱਢੇ ਸਨ ਅਤੇ ਲੱਕੜੀ ਬਾਜ਼ੀ ਵਾਲੇ ਅਸਾਂ ਏਥੋਂ ਤੱਕ ਦੇਖੇ ਹਨ ਜੋ ਮੰਜੇ ਹੇਠੋਂ ਕਾਂਉ ਨੂੰ ਬਾਹਰ ਨਾ ਜਾਣ ਦੇਣਾ। ਬਾਕੀ ਜੰਗ ਦਾ ਸਾਮਾਨ ਫੁਲਾਦੀ ਸੰਜੋਆਂ ਪੇਟੀ ਚਿਰਾਨੇ ਟੋਪ ਇਤਨੇਭਾਰੇ ਅਸਾਂ ਦੇਖੇ ਹਨ ਜਿਨ੍ਹਾਂ ਨੂੰ ਹੁਣ ਦੇ ਗੱਭਰੂ ਮਸਾਂ ਚੁੱਕਣ ਤੇ ਓਹ ਸਿੰਘ ਓਦੂੰ ਦੂਣੇ ਭਾਰੇ ਸ਼ਸਤ੍ਰ ਸੰਜੋਆਂ ਪਹਿਨ ਕੇ ਜੰਗ ਕਰਦੇ ਹੁੰਦੇ ਜਾਂ ਭਾਂਜ ਪੈਂਦੀ ਤਾਂ ਸ਼ਸਤ੍ਰਾਂ ਸੰਜੋਆਂ ਸਮੇਤ ਬੀਸ-ਬੀਸਕੋਹ ਨੱਠੇ ਚਲੇ ਜਾਂਦੇ। ਬਾਕੀ ਜੇ ਲੁੱਟ ਦਾ ਪਦਾਰਥ ਮਣ ਦੋ ਮਣ ਮਿਲ ਜਾਂਦਾ ਤਾਂ ਚਾਲੀ-ਚਾਲੀ ਕੋਹ ਪਹੁੰਚ ਕੇ ਦਮ ਲੈਂਦੇ ਸਨ। For those who consider the previously described skills and knowledge to be fictitious, I’ll now give an account of what I have witnessed with my very own eyes. It’s only been a few years since the arts of archery and stick fighting were discussed in such a way that should [today's] young British-educated men have heard it, they would've considered it astounding. Sardars like Amar Singh Majittia, Buddh Singh, Wasava Singh Sandawalia and many other chieftains could shoot arrows straight through [metal] cauldrons; their arrows striking whichever targets they desired. Bhai Mani Singh ji’s nephew, [who was] the author of this historical document's forefather [called] Baba Dargaha Singh ji could 'pierce the word' meaning that even in the dark, they could accurately shoot an arrow into the mouth or body of anyone who made a sound. In the town of Kankhal these matters are spoken of by many men and they will inform you of as much because they [the previously mentioned sardars] used to go there. Even their camp is well known at that place. There, they shot arrows straight through many trees and I have seen stick fighters who have reached a point where they can keep a crow trapped underneath a bed. I’ve seen other materials of war like steel chainmail, belts, body armour and helmets that were so heavy that the strapping youth of today would just about be able to pick them up and those Singhs would go to war wielding and wearing weaponry and chainmail that was twice as heavy or they would undergo forced marches of approximately 50 kilometres (20 koh) with such weaponry and armour. They would only stop to rest after reaching destinations roughly 100 kilometres away and that too carrying any looted materials that came to hand. ਭਰੋਸਾ ਹੈ ਹੁਣ ਦੇ ਜਵਾਨ ਏਨ੍ਹਾਂ ਤਾਕਤਾਂ ਤੇ ਸ਼ਸਤ੍ਰ ਵਿੱਦਿਆ ਨੂੰ ਭੀ ਸ਼ਾਇਦ ਹੀ ਸੱਚ ਮੰਨਣ ਕਿਉਂਕਿ ਏਨ੍ਹਾਂ ਤਾਂ ਓਹ ਕਮਾਣਾਂ ਦੇਖੀਆਂ ਭੀ ਨਹੀਂ । ਚਿੱਲੇ ਕੀ ਚੜ੍ਹਾਉਣ? ਏਸੇ ਪ੍ਰਕਾਰ ਅਨੇਕ ਇਲਮ ਤੇ ਹੁਨਰ ਆਪਣੇ ਸਮੇਂ ਸਿਰ ਉਨੱਤੀ ਪਰ ਹੋ ਕੇ ਮਿਟ ਜਾਂਦੇ ਹਨ । ਸੰਮਤ ੧੯੧੪ ਬਿਕ੍ਰਮੀ ਤੋਂ ਪਹਿਲੇ ਤੀਰ ਅਨੇਕ ਪ੍ਰਕਾਰ ਦੇ ਭੱਥੇ ਭਰੇ ਹੋਏ ਕਮਾਨਾਂ, ਬੰਦੂਕਾਂ ਤੋੜੇਦਾਰਾਂਤੇ ਪੱਥਰ ਕਲਾਂ ਤਲਵਾਰਾਂ, ਨੇਜ਼ੇ, ਬਰਛੀਆਂ, ਸਾਂਗਾਂ, ਕਟਾਰ ਪੇਸ਼ਕਬਜ਼, ਤਮੰਚੇ, ਪਸਤੌਲ ਢਾਲਾਂ ਆਦਿਕ ਸ਼ਸਤ੍ਰ ਸੰਜੋਇ ਆਦਿਕ ਬਖਤਰ ਘਰ ਘਰ ਹੁੰਦੇ ਸੇ । ਸਭ ਲੋਕ ਸ਼ਸਤ੍ਰਵਿੱਦ੍ਯਾ ਸਿੱਖਦੇ ਸਿਖਾਂਵਦੇ ਘਰ ਬੈਠੇ ਹੀ ਪੱਕੇ ਸਿਪਾਹੀ ਬਣੇ ਰਹਿੰਦੇ ਸੇ ।I I believe that the young, strapping lads of today may have trouble accepting such strength and martial skills to be a reality because they haven't even seen those bows, let alone string one. In this fashion, many arts and skills - after reaching a highly developed stage become extinct at the hands of time. Prior to 1914 Bikram there were quivers packed with many varieties of arrows, guns, matchlocks, stone-cutting sabres, javelins, spears and pikes. Coats of mail and armoury, as well as weaponry such as punch daggers, Afghani stilettos, revolvers, pistols, shields and so forth were kept in each and every home. All the people would be learning or teaching the art of weaponry, and even whilst seated within their own homes they remained as true soldiers. ਹੁਣ ਤਾਂ ਏਸ ਹੁਨਰ ਦੀ ਚਰਚਾ ਵੀ ਨਹੀਂ l ਬਹਾਦਰਾਂ ਦੇ ਪੁੱਤ੍ਰ ਕਿਰਾੜ ਬਣ ਰਹੇ ਹਨ l ਏਹ ਭੀ ਸਾਨੂੰ ਹੱਥੀਂ ਵਰਤਣ ਵਾਲਿਆਂ ਨੂੰ ਸ਼ਸਤ੍ਰ ਵਿੱਦਿਆ ਸ੍ਵ੍ਪਨਾ ਪ੍ਰਤੀਤ ਹੁੰਦੀ ਹੈ l ਪਚਾਸ ਕੁਬਰਸ ਹੋਰ ਨੂੰ ਏਸ ਵਿੱਦ੍ਯਾ ਦੀ ਸਖੋਪਤ ਹੋ ਕੇ ਝੂਠ ਹੀ ਮੰਨੀ ਜਾਊ l ਏਸੇ ਤਰ੍ਹਾਂ ਹੋਰ ਭੀ ਸੰਸਾਰਕ ਵਿਹਾਰਾਂ ਤੇ ਇਲਮਾਂ ਹੁਨਰਾਂ ਦੀ ਅਦਲਾ ਬਦਲੀ, ਉਤਪਤੀ ਪਰਲਯ ਹੁੰਦੀ ਰਹਿੰਦੀ ਹੈl ਦੇਖੋ ਕਦੇ ਓਹ ਸਮਾਂ ਸੀ ਜਦ ਮਨੁੱਖ ਬਣਮਾਣੂ ਬਣੇ ਹੋਏ ਪਰਬਤਾਂ ਦੀਆਂ ਕੰਦਰਾਂ ਤੇ ਬਿਰਛਾਂ ਹੇਠ ਬਿਨਾਂ ਬਿਸਤ੍ਰੇ ਸੁਖੀ ਸੌਂ ਰਹਿੰਦੇ ਸੇ, ਹੁਣ ਨਰਮ ਮੁਲਾਇਮ ਮਖ਼ਮਲੀ ਸੇਜ ਭੀ ਚੁਭੱਦੀਹੈ l ਕਦੇ ਅੰਜੀਰ ਤੇ ਭੋਜ ਪਤ੍ਰਾਂ ਨਾਲ ਨੰਗ ਢੱਕਦੇ ਸੇ, ਹੁਣ ਭਾਂਤ-ਭਾਂਤ ਦੇ ਰੇਸ਼ਮੀ ਬਸਤ੍ਰ ਭੀ ਪਸੰਦ ਨਹੀਂ l Now there isn't even any mention of these skills and the sons of the brave are becoming business men. Even for those of us that continue to practice these martial arts, they are beginning to feel like a dream. In about fifty years these arts will be lost completely and [their existence] considered a lie. This is the way other professions and skills continue to change - their development and destruction a constant occurrence. Look, there was a time when men were forest-dwellers and lived in caves up on mountains, and slept peacefully under trees without any mattress; nowadays even a soft, smooth velvet bed is considered uncomfortable. Sometimes they covered their nakedness with fig leaves and tree bark, but in these days even a wide variety of silk garments aren't satisfactory.
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  38. Yes. Their Guru is Mahavira. They are very strict vegetarians and didn't even have garlic and onions in the house until the grandmother passed away. Their temples are one of the most spectacular I've seen. Extremely intricate designs throughout. At one temple in Bhuj they played live music on the steps which could be heard far away and was wonderfully peaceful to hear.
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  39. Mostly black and irish relations have been very good in the united states, but at times, when confined in poverty ridden ghettos together tensions would arise from lack. If someone has the impression that someone can be punked they do it on the street, they don't run into hotels high as .... And hit the only Singh with a hammer. It makes zero sense.
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  40. The most interesting thing about this is looking at how wide the Sikh identity was. The book mentions this and much of our numbers drastically decreased with the introduction of census data and grouping people into faiths. Also, though this dives into castes and what not, it mentions how some Jat clans claimed Rajput ancestry such as Bhatti Rajput.
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  41. Yeah its in full swing. One of my friends he's around 10 years older than me and he has two little kids. He believes in God but doesn't believe in karma, reincarnation, heaven/hell, divine judgment etc nothing! so what exactly is he gnna teach his two little kids? Its happening everywhere ...
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  42. I respectfully disagree, brother. Anything is possible with the kirpa of Maharaj, it is not just exclusive to living in India. Your point kinda reflects how many thought during the times of Sri Guru Nanak Dev Ji Maharaj, as many believed an individual had to retreat to isolated areas like mountains or jungles as the way to connect with akaal. However, according to gurbani we know this is not true.
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  43. it does not matter one jot if it's for profit or not ...GURBANI should not, can not, be mangled shudh ucharan is the top priority... being foreign is not an excuse look at all the white gursikhs who made the effort and learnt to perfect ucharan such as Chardhi Kala Jatha.
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  44. WJKK WJKF If you wish to bury your head in the sand, that's your choice. I will prefer to create awareness of such people like Jazzy B, Diljit Dosanj and sukhshinder Shinda and highlight their mixed vulgar message and try stop them from becoming role models and using sikhi for their own money making vehicle just like some of the dera leaders.
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  45. I cannot listen to her mangling her pronouncing Gurbani ...nobody was on hand to advise her where it is going wrong?
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  46. I don't know which planet you are from Veer ji but where I'm from you respect your sisters ... Problem is not setting up labels but being discerning about the artists you associate your projects with, and also to make sure that the signed up understand that if they do sign up they have to leave dodgy behaviour/lyrics behind as it tarnishes the reputation of same projects. Current singers have nothing on our Raagi and Dhadhi jathas whose talents have been plundered by other labels for too long, why aren't there more of those kind of artists involved from day one if we really want success and preserve our Sikhi? That was my main concern as I've seen too many time the kesri dastaars come out in June to exploit sentiments to sell records just as the politicians make the right noises at that time but soon return to business as usual within weeks. I would love to see nuturing of youth kirtan jathas such those training at Jawaddi Kalan taksal instead heavy reliance on artists who play both sides of the field (for and against sikhi values).
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  47. sorry but it still doesn't say what 'dharmic' projects means , either past present or future. I really don't think that jazzy b et al would be doing Raag kirtan and it seems so far they haven't produced any of the Raag kirtan preservation albums and there are still many panthic jewels out there doing the sewa .
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