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  1. 9 points
    Interesting article I'v heard this before. “Only GurSikhs Had Anand Karaj Before the 1900” Says Elderly Grandmother Posted byDaily Sikh Updates October 11, 2016 “Only GurSikhs Had Anand Karaj Before the 1900” Says Elderly Grandmother Anand Karaj in the 1900s by Anonymous on Sikhnet Recently the Sikh marriage ceremony (Anand Karaj) has come under dispute when concerning couples professing different faiths, which has led to some controversy and conflict. Without going into too much detail of the recent events in the UK, where members of the Sikh community prevented an interfaith marriage from taking place in a Gurdwara, the Akal Takht, the spiritual abode of authority for Sikhs, has made it very transparent in the Sikh Rehat Maryada (Sikh Code of Conduct) that the Anand Karaj ceremony is only permitted for those professing the Sikh faith. And quite rightly so! If one does not wish to accept or practice the Sikh faith, then why would one want a Sikh marriage ceremony? What is intended to be a blissful union of two souls merely becomes a meaningless and ritualistic ceremony. For many years after the reign of Maharaja Ranjit Singh, the Sikh marriage rites became disoriented with conflicting practices, to the extent where a number of Sikhs were partaking in Hindu Vedic ceremonies to solemnise their marriage. In order to safeguard the sanctity of the Anand Karaj, a Sikh marriage act was officially passed in 1909, which established a legal binding of two people professing the Sikh faith. AnandKaraj This led me to go back to something my maternal grandmother mentioned regarding how Sikh marriages were performed in the early 1900s. It was a common practice for all marriages to be arranged and for girls, as young as seven years old to be engaged (my grandmother was nine years old!). Despite being engaged at such a young age, the girls would legally get married at 15 or 16 and for couples to meet for the very first time on their actual wedding day. My grandparents had a very simple, traditional Sikh wedding ceremony, which took place around the late 1920s-early 1930s (the exact year was never documented). My grandmother very interestingly pointed out, in order for the Anand Karaj to take place, the man had to take Amrit before the ceremony to profess his commitment to the Sikh faith and making a promise that he will maintain Sikh practices within his household. It was not necessary for women to take Amrit before marriage, which was something I could not quite completely understand nor could my grandmother explain why. Upon my grandfather taking Amrit, my grandparent’s marriage was sanctified by the Anand Karaj ceremony. The wedding ceremony took place in the ambrosial hours of the morning at around 4-5am, which was a practice that was maintained and continued from the times of the Sikh Gurus. Sadly this practice has now been lost. This prompted me to question my grandmother further; what if my grandfather did not choose to take Amrit or what if my grandfather had shorn hair but was born in a Sikh household, would they still be allowed to have an Anand Karaj ceremony? My grandmother made a very bold statement that no Sikh during the British Raj cut their hair; the Sikh identity was strongly intact. The cutting of the Kes became more apparent when Sikhs began to emigrate to the West in the 1950s and 60s, where they faced a backlash of discrimination and hostility towards them. For those who did not take Amrit before their marriage or where a Sikh daughter’s hand was given away in marriage into a Hindu household, the Anand Karaj ceremony was not permitted. As an alternative, the couple were offered an opportunity to sanctify their married life and seek the blessings from the Guru in the Gurdwara, where a Sukhmani Sahib or some other form of prayer and an Ardas were performed. Based upon my grandmother’s insight into Sikh marriages in the early 1900s, it is clearly evident that the Anand Karaj ceremony was led and performed for those professing the Sikh faith. Although there was a significant requirement for the male spouse to take Amrit before the marriage, this is not the case now as many Sikh marriages take place with or without either couple being Amritdhari. Inevitably, interfaith marriages will take place. Civil Service ceremonies are held inside many Sikh Gurdwaras around the world in the presence of Sri Guru Granth Sahib Ji. If a couple wishes to have a marriage ceremony conducted inside a Gurdwara and seek the blessings from the Guru, then we should be able to offer them an alternative ceremony through a prayer and an Ardas. In spite of the times changing, Sikhs have and should continually maintain the sanctity of the Anand Karaj ceremony between two Sikhs, however to also offer an alternative solution for interfaith marriages.
  2. 9 points
    How times have changed, now we have members of LGBTQ community trying to have Anand Karaj. When you break a rule for one, then there always will be another wanting you to break the rule for them.
  3. 8 points
    If we're being accurate and living up to specific cultural stereotypes, the person saying Namaste should've been illustrated like this: That's only fair.
  4. 8 points
    Same as today any writer can write about general majority of Sikhs being non-turbaned, drinking or some smoking. 100 years later we cannot simply believe that they were the actual Sikh. Just like in past there were actual Sikhs who followed guru path and some who were on and off that path with their weakness. Maharaja Ranjit is the perfect example of a Sikh who was not a Sikh in our guru eyes with his lifestyle.
  5. 7 points
    Vaheguru ji ka khalsa Vaheguru ji ki fateh Bhenji,the only advice I can give you is that you should leave it to Vaheguru.Its like we are in a ship.We are not in control of it.So we should have trust in the One controlling it and have faith as He wont let us down and steer us the wrong way. Bhul Chuk Maf
  6. 7 points
    Who said feminists see men as an atm. House duties need to be done, whether by men or women.
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  8. 7 points
    How should India govt handle the Chinese army incursion on the border?
  9. 6 points
    the reason why they hate sikhi is the whole truth of it, the openheartedness, the lack of controllers, the self-sovreignity inherent in its thinking, to be a fundamental sikh is inherently good rather than bad as it tells a human to be self-controlled, self-reliant , Guru ji made us his daughters and sons but the others are just sheep to be lead by the nose, that's the difference.
  10. 6 points
    Vaheguru ji ka khalsa Vaheguru ji ki fateh We are never alone.We always have the thousands of shaheeds with us,our guru with us and Akaal Purakh with us.We dont need anyone else.Who is the British government.They are nothing compared to our Guru and Akaal Purakh.It does not matter if they dont support Khalistan.We will get it anyway.Its just a matter of time.Its just a while more.Khalsa Raj is extremely close.We just have to be prepared for it. Bhul Chuk Maf
  11. 6 points
    shhhh are you insane ? we're supposed to be bending over backwards for everyone else, even if its at expense of our interests and our existence. go take a jhaadu and broom a maseet and do sewa like our honorable sikh brothers did for Aurangzeb's Jaama masjid in delhi and hold iftar parties in our gurdwaras
  12. 6 points
    Vaheguru ji ka khalsa Vaheguru ji ki fateh Something needs to be done to put them in their place.They can do whatever they want with their mosques but they cannot convert temples of other Faith's to theirs.This is similar to the mughal times where they would do such atrocities.They had no right to do this in the past,they have no right to do this now and they will never get this right.They need to be stopped.
  13. 6 points
  14. 6 points
    When someone prefaces their argument with "I'm not trying to be..." it's usually a precursor to them wanting to convey the exact opposite sentiment they're at pains not to state outright. The "incels" comments sounds very Reddit-ish. A classic shaming tactic. Are you a Redditor? You smell like a Redditor. Nobody likes Redditors. People are "so obsessed" with what women are doing for many reasons, and it's something that's proving to be a worldwide phenomena amongst groups that wish to retain their values, traditions, and their identities in the face of overwhelming odds being espoused for many decades by certain groups who wish for the world to be populated by mutt-like, rudderless, confused beings without roots and identities. The "alpha male" argument is an enticing one, and I admit I myself was actually quite convinced by its merits for a few years, but when I began delving into it from a different angle, I found myself being repulsed by the very idea of it. In essence, it transfers the entire burden of the relational transaction (including the initial pursuit) between a man and a woman onto the shoulders of the man while entirely bypassing the merits (or not) of the female in question; in other words, the male is encouraged to ignore the fact of whether the woman is WORTH pursuing; we're encouraged not to analyse her qualities and her merits, but just accept her for breathing. Apparently, that's enough. This "ideal" of woman is packaged as perfection, and if you fail to entice such a female, it's because there's some serious deficiency in your masculinity. What if a masculine, strong-willed man doesn't want a loose-moralled, shallow harlot? Does that make him a beta male? I agree, but one can obtain a fairly accurate guestimate from such indicators. Wonderful sentiments, and again I agree to a certain extent, but in the case of the Sikh women you're passionately defending it's simply not as cut-and-dry as you're making it out to be. This "moving on" you describe is usually something that's isn't a result of personal growth and introspection. It's a desperate, final move resulting from a debilitating fear; fear of being discovered, or fear of being labelled, or a general dread of being having done wrong. It's usually the last roll of the dice in an attempt to conceal an act (or a sequence of acts) that's spiralled out of control. Her "settling down" is not through choice, for if it were, she would choose to settle down with the type of companions to whom she granted access to her... innermost sanctum, lol. This "settling" is exactly that: it's settling for second best in her mind at least. The fun, rollercoaster ride of hedonism and degeneracy is over, and suddenly that empty, hollow, galling sensation gnawing away at her conscience screams at her to turn over a new leaf either through heartbreak or because she realises she was fed a lie. Then, miraculously, she finds God! Then she begins quoting out-of-context Guru Nanak quotes, and begins lecturing Sikhs on religious directives. What a transformation! A truly introspective person would arrest their fall BEFORE hurtling over the cliff. Sikh females tend to realise the direness of their situation only once they've launched themselves off the cliff, and they're sprawled on the rocks miles below. Maybe not in your family or social circle, but I assure you they do exist. Maybe look harder, and not assume your personal situation is the standard? Overall, I have HUGE problems with Sikh males, too. I'm not one for double standards. I believe if Sikh males want the "best" Sikh female, they must exhibit the behaviour and decorum they seek in a female companion. I have nothing but contempt for the contemporary Western Punjabi or culturally Sikh male. I'd be more than happy to contribute my opinions on that subject if someone were to open a thread on that particular topic.
  15. 6 points
    Literally just 10 mins ago i just watched this 1hr and 20 mins discussion on M.Ranjit Singh and Sikh empire, the guy hosting it was a gay "sikh" mona and the historian was Amandeep Singh Madra. After the historian finished explaining his stuff he answered questions and one of the questions was about sex and bisexuality in the Sikh empire! as the host was a gay obviously the people viewing this live must of been gays as well! and not wanting to upset them the historian man started stuttering and saying M.Ranjit Singh was very close to Hira Dogra and that there were people talking because they were so close! and then he was like Hira Dogra was definitely gay. <banned word filter activated> You should of seen the hosts head nodding in agreement! This is the problem with gays! they turn history and historical figures into gays! just like feminists that narrate history to suit their views! This BS needs to stop next min people like M.Ranjit Singh are gnna become gay symbols for that community
  16. 6 points
    If Singhs cover their head then women should too, Its also Guru Gobind Singh jis hukkam to keep your head covered. In India they just cover their heads with chunnis, while in the west mostly tie dastar or patka, i guess its up to you. My Nani used to wear chunni and she was Amritdhari. If your comfortable with chunni then just wear chunni as long as your head is covered. Sikh women covered their heads with chunnis for centuries, Sant jis wife wore a chunni. Singh with dastar/dhari and wife with a naked head looks very odd.
  17. 6 points
    There is a real shortage of registered UK Sikhs who are willing to become foster parents for Sikh children. As a result Sikh children are being placed with non-Sikh families. Some sevadar’s are raising awareness and have started an Instagram page called Sikhfostering and their website is http://sikhfostering.org/ Their goal is to encourage, educate and motivate Sikhs in the UK to become foster parents and providing them resources and ongoing support. They will be holding presentation talks/seminars in (so far) 100 gurdwaras across the UK.
  18. 6 points
  19. 6 points
    Just one thing, why do we keep using words and terminology which belongs to another religion? Mard e Mujahid - a Muhjahid is an Islamic warrior who takes part in a Jihad. A Jihad is a war specifically started to defend or spread Islam. The war allows loot as well as enslavement of women and children as well as rape. WHY THE F&&& are we using these terms which are totally counter to what Santji was doing? If a western non-Sikh was to see that picture he would automatically associate Santji with ISIS or the Taliban. We are the worst at shooting ourselves in the foot. Also using terminology that is not a part of our religion and language shows lack of self confidence in our own religion and language. There are a number of terms in Punjabi that could be used to replace Mard e Mujahid.
  20. 5 points
    No one is asking Sikhs in India to take up arms and start Khalistan movement. What diaspora Sikhs want is that Sikhs in India at least acknowledge that they have 2nd class status in India and that this has to change. When diaspora tweet or post on facebook about these kind of atrocities on Sikhs, then you are guaranteed that some Sikhs from India will accuse the poster of 'hating' and being an ISI operative or a Pakistani i disguise. Another thing I can't stand is those idio.t Sikhs in India who have the Indian flag on their profiles. This is the same flag under which our people were massacred in Durbar Sahib and this is the same flag that the criminal Indian army raised on top of the compex to show that they had won in their war against the Sikhs.
  21. 5 points
    https://www.sikhpa.com/pakistan-gurdwara-honouring-sikh-martyr-converted-into-mosque/ Shaheed Bhai Taru Singh Ji gurdwara in Pakistan is being converted into a mosque. Shows that Pakistan doesn’t hold any regard for our gurdwaras!
  22. 5 points
    Brother Koi, it seems you have not recognized what means to be a muslim. They have been brainwashed in such a way right from their day 1 of birth, that no matter howsoever one may reason with them, they will never ever accept, for the moment they recognize how much damage and atrocities they have inflicted upon mankind, that very moment they will step back in shame for belonging to such a diabolical culture. Not that the rest of the world does not respect them for what they are, but, they themselves by harming others without any reason, they are disliked as "people".... the history is the proof, see how many absurd wars, how many killings, just in the name of such an entity, who they themselves have not seen but yet they are induced to believe, that they have to kill others....what a disgrace How can they even call themselves religious? That too, when the base of any religion is mercy, forgiveness, and tolerance towards all, irrespective of caste, color, and creed. And this is what sikhee can be proud of, we are taught that all have His Light, even in SGGS, the divine is named as Allah and Khuda, which are just names like any others, of that creative power, which we call Satnam, God, Lord, or Waheguru among so many others. What else can one want? So much respect given to the name of their divinity, yet they still thirst for blood. How can someone fall so low? For example, we all know the Sun is high in the sky, isn´t it? So what difference does it make by saying or repeating the sun is the highest in the sky? Will the sun fall down or get to a lower level by not saying so? It would be stupid, isn´t it? So if anyone says Allah hu Akbar, well that is fine, but by others not saying so, that power of Allah, God, Waheguru will not diminish, nor will ever fall down, for it is great by its own nature, and not by buttering it. Just as we see in the Bani: aapeenay aap sajeeo, apeenay racheeo Nao The sun is as it is, so is that divinity, it is great by itself , it does not make any difference to it, whether we say anything or keep quite, it will nevertheless give its Light upon all in same quantity and intensity. in a similar way, whethe we say anything or not about that supreme truth, it will not stop giving its love, forgiveness or mercy on the souls, for all souls are a part from IT, for all are as rays of that same One Sun. This is the greatness of Sikhee, it broadens one mind and makes softer our hearts, for in all is present His Noor. It is fine you are giving this guy a chance, but when Guru Sahiban themselves came on earth, and could not affect with positivity their hearts, how can any of us limited beings try to make them see their reality of evilness? They inflicted pain on THEM, so it is better to leave them alone as they are, we are not to change them in any way, except that of making them realize, that they are a part of this world, so they have to become good human beings first, and be respectful to all others, for unless one is not a good human being, one can not enter heaven. If one´s aim is to merge and become one with that Supreme truth, which is an infinite Ocean of love, mercy, and forgiveness, which means total purity, so how can we ever become one with IT, by killing and hurting others deliberately? It is utter madness. It is such a pity, how these people are madly influenced into wickedness, there has to be a deep reform and throughly cleansing in their lookout towards others. Congrats anyhow Koi for your good intentions, let us now see how does he/they respond .
  23. 5 points
    Vaheguru ji ka khalsa Vaheguru ji ki fateh Very true veerji.Naam simran is very important, especially for the coming time.
  24. 5 points
    If it was the other way around, if this were an islamic forum , and there were a dozen of sikhs here, we would be instantly blocked , or at most after a few kuffar posts. The fact that you are insulting sikhs here and still not blocked is the evidence of the tolerant nature and beauty of sikhism. Oh wait , will you now say like Zakir Naik "we're confident of our religion , 2+2 = 4 and not 5 , and thats why can't tolerate 2+2 = 3 "
  25. 5 points
    True.We have seen this pattern multiple times.Until we don't take our kirpans out and be a fauj they don't learn
  26. 5 points
    The islamic kalma on the top seems to be a later addition to the walls in above pic, as you can see color difference . These 3 sections on the top of entrance is a common theme in old historical gurudwaras, for instance gurudwara hazur sahib in nanded, and usually 'satnam waheguru' is written in these Also one cannot rule out that the adjacent dargah could have possibly been a later day creation .
  27. 5 points
    That’s just a blessing we ask for that may our mind stay humble, yet our principles stay high. The ‘body’ which experiences dreams when we sleep, that’s the body which goes forth after death.
  28. 5 points
    Longer version I think
  29. 5 points
    Footage of Shaheed Bhai Avtar Singh Brahma and Shaheed Singhs training
  30. 5 points
    You are not debating. Please try to debate with facts not lies. You will not get very far with lies. When you say Sikhs were poor Hindus who were forced to convert into Sikhism, forced by whom? There is no precedent in our history of forced conversions, not even one. But Muslims the list is endless. You cannot deny it. Islamic history is as violent and oppressive as Christian history. Both Abrahamic cults. As for us believing in the existence of Devi Devtas. It is a fact they exist based on our scriptures. We don't subscribe to the Islamic paradigm of saying anything that is beyond the scope of the Quran and Hadith's is non existent. Abrahamic cults are like the frog in the well who does not know of the vast world beyond the well. Islam is just Arab paganism mixed with Judaism. Nothing more. As for you saying we are a foot note in Islamic history well we don't want to be a part of Islamic history. Islamic history is a history of human suffering, slavery, oppression, rape, forcible conversion. That's not something to be proud of.
  31. 5 points
    We need to stick to our principles and stand our ground. We must ensure that our Sikhi does not become like this
  32. 5 points
    I was invited to a Sukhmani Sahib paat at the Gurdwara a couple of years back for the first time in ages, and I was blown away by the total shambles of the sangat assembled. Full-blown conversations on both sides; people playing with phones and watching football highlights; kids running around like it was daycare, etc. I was disgusted. I got up to tell the stage secretary to make a polite announcement to inform the sangat to keep it down and have some respect, which he did, but that lasted for barely 5 minutes. Pathetic. This was me at the end:
  33. 5 points
    a 50 year old bihari woman has been cleaning our house daily for the last 3 years. Last year she was very depressed with her life. Her daughter was not finding a match and her son was jobless. I told her to do gurbani but she said she is illiterate and can't read. I told her to memorize 2 pankitis of sukhmani sahib prabh Kai simran ridh sidh nau nidh prabh Kai simran gyaan dhyaan tatt budh She started doing these pankitis at least 1000 times a day and in just 1 year all her problems r solved. Her daughter completed her B.A and got job in a tuition centre in Bihar and also got married too. Her son opened a small shop and just in 1 year his shop got so popular that his shop has turned into a medium sized departmental store and he earns around 50000rs a month. This bihari lady is now leaving punjab and is going to live with her son in Bihar. She told me yesterday that as long as she lives she will continue to do jaap of these 2 pankitis. I also taught her mool mantar yesterday and she will do jaap of mool mantar too alongside the 2 pankitis.
  34. 5 points
  35. 5 points
    nteresting that he hasn't addressed this post. We need to understand the psychology of people like him and how trying to debate people like him is pointless. The problem with people like him is that they have lost the ability to reflect. If the starting point to your belief system is that a man was the final prophet and he was the perfect human being, then when you hit any facts that shows that he was charlatan and a paedophile then you are quite willing to dismiss these facts because to acknowledge these would destroy your faith. It is much easier and safer to just ignore these facts and against all facts to the contrary just continue to believe that Mohammed was a prophet and married a 6 year old just to cement his ties to one of his friends! Islam is really a house of cards built on sand. Though their propaganda they mouth the same lies over and over again and as Goebbels said if a lie is repeated enough times it becomes the truth to most people. The vast majority of Muslims do not know all their religion, the believe their prophets was a kind, good man who was persecuted and never persecuted anyone and who loved animals and was good with kids . When they some across any facts which tell the truth about Mohammed, Islam has provided a million and one excuses which that Muslim can use to repress his natural unease at what Mohammed did. If the unease is about Aisha, who their prophet married at 6 years of age and then consummated the marriage at the ripe old age of 9! They can either believe that she was not 6 years old but 16, 17, 18, 19 or even 21 according to whichever attempt at denying their prophet's paedophilia they want to accept! If they don't want to accept that and want to accept the overwhelming evidence that she was 6 then he can choose to accept the 'scientific' theory that girls aged much faster in Mohammed's time or the climate of Arabia was so unique that girls entered puberty much earlier than our time! All these million and one excuses just to deny what any rational person would accept as Mohammed's paedophilia. The most amusing video I watched lately was some deluded white Muslim convert defending Mohammed's marriage to a 6 year old child by saying that Gandhi also married at a young age! Btw Gandhi was 13 years old when he married his wife who was 14! A bit of a stretch to compare Gandhi's marriage to Mohammed's marriage. But Islam is about trying to convince people that right is wrong and black is white. In the early 1990s I remember a Muslim convert ring a radio station and stating that what convinced him of the truth of Islam was that Neil Armstrong heard the Azan on the moon and had become a Muslim and moved to Lebanon. The truth was that Neil Armstrong himself had to deny this story and he didn't become a Muslim and the only Lebanon he moved to was his home town called Lebanon in the USA! Islam's lies to bring people into its fold. After Neil Armstrong, they had the 'science' in the Quran scam which has pretty much been debunked and even those Muslims who propagated this have backed off. Then it was the no. 19 miracle. Even such shite as 10 words in Quran have 40 rhetorical devices contained in them. Muslims are constantly trying to every type of subterfuge to show how superior their religion is. One thing they try not to use is the teachings of the Quran and the life of their prophets which is something that all other religion use for parchar. The marriage of Aisha is just one of hundreds of events and issues in Mohammed's life that totally negate the Muslim view of him as a prophet and a perfect human being. This is why all the Islamic organisations are constantly trying to push back the tide of rational questions about their prophet and their religion. The Muslim defence of Mohammed the slave trader and Islam's 1400 year of slave trading is that Islamic slavery is not the same as western slavery, because Islamic slavery is benign! As I said Islam is a house of cards built on sand. The thing which stops this house crashing down is that the vast majority of Muslims are ignorant of what Mohammed really did according to their own texts. Of the ones who become aware, the majority start to live lives of denial and the minority leave Islam and either become silent on Islam or become vocal ex-Muslims. The biggest irony that Muslims like this guy engage in is in presenting themselves to be rational human beings. For a rational human being a man of 53 consummating his 'marriage' to a child of 9 would be seen as outrageous, but for our 'rational' Muslim neighbour this is quite in keeping with Mohammed as a perfect human. He knows deep down that this is wrong but like anyone who has bought into a cult, he cannot criticise the leader or leave the cult because he knows that carries a death sentence. Although this guy appears to deny this but that threat exists and here is a youtube video of a Kalash people in Pakistan. Watch between 12.40 and 13.50. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iv8an_dWTuE Now why would the Mullahs want to kill a simple tribal women who wants to revert back to her own Kalash religion? In a nation of nearly 200 million Muslims and over a billion worldwide why would one woman's actions to leave Islam mean death for her? In Pakistan hundreds if not thousands of Muslims die a day because they cannot feed themselves or they have no access to medicines, why is her life important and not theirs? If she leaves and the Mullah instead of killing her devote their time and resources to saving 10 Muslims by providing them food and medicines isn't that a net positive for Islam? No, they chose not to do this because for the vast majority of Muslims, it has been so ingrained in them that their religion is perfect that they cannot even envisage that someone would come to it willingly and leave it willingly. If she can do it then maybe they can too and then it opens the floodgates and this is why her remaining a Muslim is so important.
  36. 5 points
    Cultural Sikhs take note - this is the image of Sikhs you have created
  37. 5 points
    We couldnt. And even if we could get khalistan then it would either be a majority hindu or muslim country. Also we dint had the capability to remove hindus and muslims both out panjab. We were just 14% of panjabs population in 47. Master Tara Singh made the best decision at that time. We could either be with the mullas or the hindus. If master ji choose to be with the pak govt, im sure harmandir sahib would have been destroyed, looted, and converted to a mosque. Dont forget no one is our friend. Just after few months kartarpur corridor was opened, the mullas attacked nankana sahib with the mob. But surely im not an indian supporter too. In 47 we as a panth had to choose the lesser of an evil community to stay with until we rise in numbers. Sikh leaders predicted that sikh birth rate would increase and hence make panjab after 47 a sikh majority, but it dint happen. Hopefully all the indian sikhs have at least 3 kids especially in panjab. If we did it then eventually we could defend the christian missionaries, and influx of biharis with our numbers.
  38. 5 points
    If we possess any intelligence and foresight in such a situation as described above, we'd be sensible in approaching the conflict like this: If, however, we revert to type, and get hyped up and become easy prey to India propaganda, we'll most likely end up more like this:
  39. 5 points
    There is nothing wrong with it. The problem is what starts off as a noble gesture gets hijacked by ulterior motives. In the UK, they have taken down particular TV shows which would be considered now racist. Then they will move to books. It sets off a chain reaction. It all starts off in UK universities, it starts off with race, then gender, then sexuality and now transgender-ism. This is kind of known as intersectionality. If you are a lesbian white woman, you will complain that you are being oppressed because of your sexuality and that you are a woman. However, if you are black lesbian woman you are more oppressed because you are also black. Now transgenderism is on the scene, there is a big hoo-ha because there are lesbians that are against male-to-female transgender using female changing rooms and bathrooms. The lesbians are now looking like bigots. If you are a gay, you are expected to be on the left side of the political spectrum, however if you are gay and have a different opinions, then you are the wrong kind of gay and other gays turn against you. This is the beginning of tyranny, everybody turns against everybody. With everybody more divided, it becomes effectively divide and rule. Now back to the original point. If there is a Mughal monument in Punjab and there was iconoclasm going on (built over a destroyed non-Muslim structure) then by all means take it down. However, if it isn't then it is always wise to take it down? History is not a bed of roses, and we do tend to have amnesia. We need to understand history and not forget from it and remind ourselves what happen so we don't repeat those mistakes.
  40. 5 points
    Elites financiers are playing chess in a rigged game which means they will win all the time. Rest of us in society are the pawns, the police, politicians,religious leaders are the rest of the pieces on the board. BLM should be seen as a group no ethnic or religious minority should align themselves to. Even alot of blacks who are wise to the game of the elites distance themselves from BLM, they can see in their manifesto the BLM want to push the lgbt agenda and feminism and most self respecting black people strongly oppose those aims. Low IQ sikhs align with BLM High IQ sikhs align with SLM ...... SikhLivesMatter movement which is organically created and not funded or supported by any external powers. Muslims have quite clearly aligned themselves with BLM because lot of blacks are muslims and because muslims see benefit in destroying the non-muslim west they will aid and support BLM if it helps the agenda of islamification of the UK. Also certain political powers have been supporting wars in middle east and destabilization of it thus enabling muslim mass migration and refugee's to create the perfect storm against the old order in the majority white christian western world.
  41. 5 points
    It's funny when you see his picture in Gurdwaras. Sure he did a lot of good for us but he was a horny drunk. If he just had one wife and had kids with just her there wouldn't be so much squabbling after his death over who should succeed him.
  42. 5 points
    They preach wrong version of sikhism in order to build a multimillion dollar empire wherever they can find or found, easily duped unsophisticated dimwits, insecure enough to believe just about anything for the sake of attention . Simply put, they are the Original Attention Seekers, OAS, who are desperately seeking some form of attention! They thrive on it, there is no doubt about it. We have been told by many gurdwaras not to follow these individuals namely; Chandra Mohan Jain also translated the Japji, Harbajan Puri, NKVJ, Jagraj Singh, Sakander Singh, RSBD, RRGS, Baba Tajwant ji of Malawi and many more, can’t think of their names. They are all MMMMs or money making machines or missionaries if you like, for personal glorification if not gratification lol. They are not spiritually advance souls at all. All they had or still have is few minutes of fame and that’s it! I have to say this, that some of these covid -19 parasites also tried their best to create their own ATS in the west, so to break all ties with Amritsar! I also heard Bibi Jasal K Attu is a missionary too here in NZ Basically, they are all power hungary mad cowards. Best ignored. Q. What did the sikh missionaries do? A. They built multi-million dollar empires in a very short space of time and left all their followers lost and confused or to burn in hell, I mean, 84 lakh Junes
  43. 5 points
    Learn to write English correctly, what does' 'gonna' mean? If anyone has a single desire to see pendu fudhu punjabis please visit Uk, Canada, America, New Zealand, Australia and wherever else the punjabis have migrated to, from India. Shockingly, their present generations are dense enough to ape the trashy indigenous natives of these societies. Instead of rising above them through good education, they have decided to stay where they belong, in the lower rungs of societies. They have simply failed to acquire any decent language skills acceptable or permissible in the more educated and elevated echelons or hierarchical sections of these societies. They are, de facto, the worst off than their trashy indigenous working classes counterparts or punjabis living in Punjab. What the heck does 'gonna' stand for. Your language is enough to tell everyone which drainpipe you spring forth from. Stop using it if your knowledge of its vocabulary and its usage is inadequate. You will not get anywhere or gain anything by deliberately misusing it. It is not your language to start with, so, show some respect. Learn to write properly, starting with your ancestral mother tongue. Bloody illiterate lot with illiterate offsprings, can't even be bothered to correct these idiots when they open their spouts to utter some meaningless rubbish at home. Can't blame them, they don't know any better themselves. With your sub-standard language skills, we are not surprised you have a problem with understanding anything 'word-for-word' forget about sikhi. Did your parents ever teach you to show some respect to your ancestral mother tongue? Stop behaving so unscrupulously. All languages are sacred, use them with respect.
  44. 5 points
    Because they are not sikhs. They prefer to be ruled rather than ruling. Come to think of it, ruling is exceedingly challenging as it involves good deal of competent thinking with immense amounts of responsibility. It is easier to be ruled, because you don't have to think very hard to administer any sort of government through its judicial/executive/legislature components . In order to rule effectively and harmoniously, governments need their think tanks to assist them with policy making and so on. The rulers need smart individuals to effect a successful brainwashing propoganda upon its ruled masses, in order to lead or mislead them whichever way they want to. Most ruled masses don't ask any questions because they are quite or too happy to ask any questions, they are content with their lives as long as they get enough to eat and a roof on their heads. Why scratch your heads or pick your brains, when others can do it for you instead.
  45. 5 points
    I’m new to this forum, but I just looked through your posting history. All you do is argue and bicker with people in a very aggressive manner. How about trying to make a positive contribution to the world and sharing love? That’s what Giani Ji did recording so much katha and sharing their experiences of being with mahapurkhs.
  46. 5 points
    Looks like a sign outside a strip club.
  47. 5 points
    These are the tactics Christian's use. Its gd they helped the sikh families this is where our daswandh should go. I really hope the rss and shiv sena go berserk and drive these pastors and their bs out. That's the only way these Christians are gnna go because sikhs aren't gnna do anything. Sikh SJWs will try to block the shiva sena and protect the christians when the shiv sena will drive the Christian's out though.
  48. 5 points
    Guru harkrishan ji cured everyone else's disease and took it onto himself, he carried the weight of all the people that he cured, He cured them and took all their illnesses onto himself. That's why in ardaas it says remember guru harkrishan ji and all your dukh will go. It just shows the things that guru ji would do for us, carrying all that pain and suffering onto himself and freeing us. It had come time for gurus jyot to leave guru harkrishan jis form and go to guru tegh bahadur ji.
  49. 5 points
    Sikhi nowadays has just become an identity for most people. They feel proud they are sikh, which is good, but that's really where their sikhi ends. They drink alcohol, eat meat, practice in lust, and still call themselves a sikh. You maybe a "sikh" but not a sikh of the gurus. There are many reasons to NOT eat meat but I will list the most important one; because our gurus said so, and it's in SGGS, over and over again. "Sikhs" who say it's okay to eat meat, even the ones keeping dari kesh, are ones who don't even read SGGS. “You keep your fasts to please Allah, while you murder other beings for pleasure. You look after your own interests, and so not see the interests of others. What good is your word? O Qazi, the One Lord is within you, but you do not think or contemplation on Him. You do not care for others, you are mad about religion, this is why your life is wasting away.” (Kabir, Guru Granth Sahib Ji, 483) That's what sikhi is becoming today. People are focused on the religion side than the spiritual side, what really matters.. Katha people, instead of doing actual katha are saying stuff like, "ladies should do kirtan in Harmandir Sahib" or "Stop using milk to clean the gold in Harmandir Sahib and use chemical sprays." And people listen to these guys, cuz they seem to be "modern" and just add on to their ego. I am straying a bit off topic, but this is important, we must not forget our roots. We are sikhs. And a sikh simply does what the guru says. Don't listen to these manmukhs. Read Gurbani yourself. “Living by neglect and greed, the world eats dead carcasses. Like a goblin or a beast, they kill and eat the forbidden carcasses of meat. Control your urges, or else you will be thrown into the tortures of hell.” (Guru Arjan Dev, Guru Granth Sahib Ji, 723).
  50. 5 points


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