Many Wives In Sikhism

[Guest Dilkaraja]

I have been told by many that our tenth guru, Guru Gobind Singh Ji had more then wife. I felt a little betrayed being a sikh that our own guru had in a way betrayed a part of Sikhism by having more then one wife. When I questioned my mom about this she told me that the reason why Guru Gobind Singh Ji had more then one wife was because during the wars he lived from place to place and I dont remeber exactly what she told me but it was something like some lady was in deep trouble and guru gobind singh ji had to rescue her and the best way to do this was to get married to her. Tell me if I am wrong and also tell me what you guys think about Guru Gobind Singh Ji having more then one wife. Because this brings a disccussion in my mind that if it dependet on somebodies life would you break a "commandment" of sikhi. I know I would because certain commandments of a religion are more important then others and to solve one like saving ones life you have to break another.

[Gupt_Singh]

i personally couldnt care less how many wives guruji had.

there is evidence equally going both ways whether he had 1 or 2. (definately NOT 3) so it is up to you to decide.

what i can say is though

nowhere has guruji expressively forbidden multiple wives - that doesnt mean its ok but it is dependant on the culture

gurujis parents arranged the marriage(s), not guruji!

guruji was not an ordinary human being

it is possible one wife died and he remarried, etc.

i think ur making it out to be a bigger thing than it is....either his parents organised it.......or he only had 1 wife......its ur decision......its hardly a "betrayal" lol

[Son of Guru Gobind Singh Ji]

"Why did Guru Gobind Singh have more than one wife? How many

marriages did Guru Gobind Singh have?

The wrong impression that the Guru had more than one wife was

created by those writers who were ignorant of punjabi culture.

Later authors accepted those writings regarding more than one

marriage of the Guru and presented other important people usually had

more than one wife as a symbol of their being great and superior to

the common man. Guru Gobind Singh, being a true king, was justified

in their eyes to have more than one wife. This is actually incorrect.

In the Punjab, there are two and sometimes three big functions

connected with a marriage, i.e., engagement, wedding and Muklawa.

Big gatherings and singings are held at all these three functions.

In many cases, engagements were held as soon as one had passed the

baby stage. Even today, engagements at 8-12 years age are not

uncommon in some interior parts of the country. The wedding is

perfomred a couple of years after the engagement. After the

wedding, it takes another couple of years for the bride to move in

with her in-laws and live there. This is called Muklawa. Dowry and

other gifts to the bride are usually given at the time of this

ceremony to help her to establish a new home.

A big befitting function and other joyful activities were held

at Anandpur, according to the customs, at the time of the engagement

of the Guru. The bride, Mata Jeeto Ji, resided in Lahore which was

the capital of the Mughal rulers, who were not on good terms with

the Gurus. When the time for the marriage ceremony came, it was not

considere

d desirable for the Guru to go to Lahore alongwith Sikhs in

large numbers. Furthermore, it would involve a lot of inconvenience

to the Sangat, young and old, who wished to witness the marriage of

the Guru. THerefore, as mentioned in the Sikh chronicles, Lahore

was 'brought' to Anandpur Sahib for the marriage instead of the Guru

going to Lahore. A scenic place, a couple of miles to the north of

Anandpur was developed into a nice camp for the marriage. This place

was named Guru Ka Lahore. People going to Anandpur visit this place

as well. The bride was brought to this place by her parents and the

marriage was celebrated with a very huge gathering attending the

ceremony.

The two elaborate functions, one at the time of engagement and

the other at the time of the marriage of the Guru, gave the outside

observers the impression of two marriages. They had the reason to

feel like that because a second name was also there, i.e., Mata

Sundari Ji. After the marriage, there is a custom in the Punjab to

give a new affectionate name to the bride by her in-laws. Mata

Jeeto Ji because of her fine features and good looks, was named

Sundari (beautiful) by the Guru's mother. The two names and two

functions gave a cause to the outsiders to believe that the Guru had

two wives. In fact, the Guru had one wife with two names as

explained above.

There is one more very important function in the life of the

Guru and the Sikhs. It took place in 1699 when the Guru founded the

Khalsa Panth. For preparation of Amrit, he took a Khanda and a Bata

(bowl) and asked Mata Sahib Kaur to bring Patasas (puffed sugar) for

adding to the water in the Bata. Thus, Guru Gobind Singh and Mata

Sahib Kaur jointly particpated in preparing Amrit. Alongwith

firmness like steel, sweetness is another great character of the

Khalsa, gifted respectively by Guru Gobind Singh and Mata Sahib Kaur

to them. Whereas Guru Gobind Singh is reco

gnized as the spiritual

father of the Khalsa, Mata Sahib Kaur is recognized as the spiritual

mother of the Khalsa.

Again, people not conversant with the Amrit ceremony mistakenly

assume that Mata Sahib Kaur was the wife of Guru Gobind Singh. As

Guru Gobind Singh is the spiritual father but not hte physical

father of the Khalsa, Mata Sahib Kaur is the spiritual mother of the

Khalsa but not the physical wife of the Guru Gobind Singh.

Because of their ignorance of the Punjabi culture and the Amrit

ceremony, some writers mistook these three names of hte women in the

life of Guru Gobind Singh as the names of three wives. Another

reason for this misunderstanding is that the parents of Mata Sahib

Kaur had decided to marry her to Guru Gobind Singh. When the

proposal was brought for discussion at Anandpur, the Guru said that

he could not have another wife because he was allready married. The

dilemma before the parents of the girl was that, the proposal having

become public, no Sikh would be willing to marry her. The Guru

agreed for her stay at Anandpur but without accepting her as his

wife. The question areose, as every woman desires to have a child,

how she could have one without being married. The Guru said, "She

will be the mother of a great son who will live forever and be known

all over the world." The people understoon the hidden meaning of his

statement only after the Guru associated Mata Sahib Kaur with

preparing Amrit by bringing Patasas. It is, therefore, ignorant to

consider Mata Sahib Kaur as the worldy wife of Guru Gobind Singh."

http://www.sikhnet.com/Sikhnet/youth.nsf/0...7500017ec4?Open

[Guest mehtab]

note : i m the greatest fool in this world, not just on this website, and so what i m gonna say is what i have learned...if i m wrong plzz hit me on my head and correct me

Gurujee had only 1 wife : mata sundari...her name was actually jeeto jee but Gurujee used to call her sundari affectionately (plzz correct if i m wrong) and some people started thinking there were 2. Mata Sahib Kaur is the spiritual mother of the Khalsa, just as Guru Gobind Singh is our spiritual and eternal Father. But she was not His wife in the physical sense. according to my knowledge all the 4 sahibzaade were sons of Gurujee and mata sundari.

bhul chuk maaf

ps : unfortunately many "Sikhs" believe Gurujee had 3 wives

[Gupt daasan daas]

[Waheguroo Jee Ka Khalsa!

Waheguroo Jee Kee Fateh!!

There is is a story in sikh history where guru nanak sahib je maharaj was walking with bhai mardana. There was water ahead, and bhia mardana said how will we walk over it. Guru nanak sahib je told bhai mardana to keep on saying waheguru while walking over the water. bhia mardana kept on saying waheguru and didnt fall. Then guru nanak sahib strted saying something else. Bhia Mardana started saying that to. When bhia mardana started saying that, he started sinking. Guru sahib told him to say waheguru again. Bhai mardana started saying waheguru again, and started walking on the water again. When guru sahib and bhia mardana reached land, bhia mardana asked how come guru sahib told him to say waheguru, and when guru sahib started saying something else guru sahib didnt sink, and when he ( bhia mardana) started saying the same thing, he started sinking. Guru sahib je said, one is to follow the gurus orders, not investigate or copy them.

And Guru je only kept 2 wives, because the maharaj used to keep more than wife. Guru sahib did a lot of things the mughal rulers did. He wore a kalgi, kept a hunting hawk, went hunting dangerous, man eating animals ( never ate the animals), kept an army, kept horses, I think thats all. He did this stuff to inspire courage and bravery into the people. I think. I am pretty sure guru je did two anand karajes. But we are no one to investigate why guru sahib did something or not. Mata sahib kaur was nor guru gobind singh jes phisical wife, but rather the khalsas mother.

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Wahegu

roo Jee Ka Khalsa!

Waheguroo Jee Kee Fateh!!

[Son of Guru Gobind Singh Ji]

Guru sahib did a lot of things the mughal rulers did. He wore a kalgi, kept a hunting hawk, went hunting dangerous, man eating animals ( never ate the animals), kept an army, kept horses, I think thats all. He did this stuff to inspire courage and bravery into the people.

How does keeping two wives make Sikhs courageous and brave? Those mughals also ate meat, but you are making it clear that our Guru Sahib didn't do that. Are you contradicting yourself?

[Gupt daasan daas]

Waheguroo Jee Ka Khalsa!

Waheguroo Jee Kee Fateh!!

It is possible I am wrong. I will ask some very gian wale singhs I know if guru sahib had 2 wives or not. I thought the same thing you think when I read that post. Im just posting what I have read so someone like you can prove it is wrong, or someone may prove it is right. Hey, Im a fool what do I know. All the gian I have, if any, I own to my satguru. I am lower than everyone. Please forgive my if I offended anyone, I was just posting some information I had read.

BHULL CHUKK MAFF

Waheguroo Jee Ka Khalsa!

Waheguroo Jee Kee Fateh!!

[Mkhalsa]

khalistani veer jee, you are wise beyond your years..

Mata sahib kaur was nor guru gobind singh jes phisical wife, but rather the khalsas mother.

you already answered it. She was promised to Guru Sahib by Guru Tegh Bahadur Sahib Jee, but Guru Sahib had also promised mata jeeto jee. So that is who they married. Mata Sahib Kaur was then made spiritual mother of khalsa but never guru sahibs wife.

[Gupt daasan daas]

Waheguroo Jee Ka Khalsa!

Waheguroo Jee Kee Fateh!!Can someone tell me the names of the wives of guru sahib that scholars say that guru sahib has. I know mata sahib kaur wasnt phisically his wife, but I heard there were 2 other women who were guru sahibs wife. And didnt guru hargobind sahib je maharaj also have more than wife. Again, a moorakh asing a question. Please give this moorakh an answer. thankyou

BHULL CHUKK MAFF

Waheguroo Jee Ka Khalsa!

Waheguroo Jee Kee Fateh!!

[Mkhalsa]

bhai read that long article pasted above, it answers ALL your questions.

Mata Jeeto Jee and Mata Sundri Jee were the same person.