Scientist Says That Universe Is Finite

[sevak]

vaheguru ji ka khalsa, vaheguru ji ki fateh

check this out .. seems like scientist have found that our universe is finite .. is it possible .. what does guru ji says about it

http://www.newscientist.com/article.ns?id=dn4250

[curious_man]

NO WAY!!!

universe is ever expanding !!!

INFINITE..!!

also according to guru ji... universe is infinite!! :TH:

[singh_comradz]

Guru Arjun Dev Ji

Raag Saarang 1211

Cutih sMGwr inmK ikrpw qy koit bRhmMf auDwrih ]1] rhwau ]

shhuttehi sa(n)ghaar nimakh kirapaa thae kott brehama(n)dd oudhhaarehi ||1|| rehaao ||

Even a tiny bit of Your Mercy ends all cruelty and tyranny. You save and redeem millions of universes. ||1||Pause||

Guru Arjun Dev Ji

Raag Bhairo 1156

koit bRhmMf jw ky DRmswl ]

kott brehama(n)dd jaa kae dhhramasaal ||

He created millions of universes as places to practice righteousness.

Bhai Gurdas Ji vaars 16

rom rom ivc riKEn kr bRhmMf kroV smwXw]

rom rom vich rakhioun kar brehama(n)dd karorr samaayaa||

In his every trichome are absorbed crores of universes.

[Singhstah]

no matter how convincing the scientists make their arguments, if it is the opposite of what guroo ji says, we must not pace any trust into it.

[ms514]

Sat Sri Akal:

As said above, who says that there is one universe?

[tkkookar]

doesn't that finite means that thing which has end .. doesn't guru tegh bahadu ji says in his bani .. that if god wants he can end the whole universe in second .. to which scientist is giving name as "big crunched"..something like that ..

[AstroSingh]

I personally dont think that there will be a big crunch (WMAP data says so... i'm sure nobody will understand this unless your an physics or astro student)

I actually believe that the universe is finite in size; i mean it had a beginning 13.7 billion years ago (once again the satellite WMAP has prooven this to a 99% accuracy) if the universe was infinte in size it would have to exist for an infinte length; the laws of physics dont allow this (everything would have decayed to pure energy except the fundamental particles (electron; quark; and the various quanta) also everything that could have happened had already happend if the universe was infinite (i know that i am using logic here where logic does not exist but what can you do)

I personally dont think that this is anyway contradictory to gurbani or the teachings of the gurus...remember that this is juse our universe; there is probably a system of multiverses

Also i believe that if there is data or a hypothesis that is in somewhat condrictory to gurbani we should not just toss the data/hypothesis away; thats poor science and blind faith; Einstein put this best: Science without religion is lame; religion without science is blind (quote went something like that)

anyways thats my rant, sorry bout the physics stuff but its fundamental in understanding the universe and its glory

Fateh!

[Akaali]

Thats just a hypothesis, just like many, there's no truth to it, Science is still trying to reason with akaal purkh's creation when it can't.

[Akal Warrior]

So if i went in some crazy spaceship and travelled for billions of light years, will i eventually hit a wall or something? WHAT IS ON THE OTHER SIDE OF THAT WALL?

[mann_kaum_layee_qurbaan]

scientists also say you came from an ape. Ask them if we came from apes why are apes still apes and never evolved? Science says a lot of things which it then retracts later on after more research. You can try to find the expanse of the universe all you want and many people have tried, people have read tons and tons of books but in the end we all become dust and leave naked. Only naam goes with us and is our savior...knowing if the world is finte or not will get you NADA. This is sikhi's view anyways, you don't have to believe it if you don't want to but if you have sharda in SGGS Ji, then these things wouldn't worry you.

peace.

sloku mÚ 1 ] (468-5)

salok mehlaa 1.

Shalok, First Mehl:

kUVu rwjw kUVu prjw kUVu sBu sMswru ] (468-5, Awsw, mÚ 1)

koorh raajaa koorh parjaa koorh sabh sansaar.

False is the king, false are the subjects; false is the whole world.

kUVu mMfp kUVu mwVI kUVu bYsxhwru ] (468-5, Awsw, mÚ 1)

koorh mandap koorh maarhee koorh baisanhaar.

False is the mansion, false are the skyscrapers; false are those who live in them.

kUVu suienw kUVu rupw kUVu pYn@xhwru ] (468-5, Awsw, mÚ 1)

koorh su-inaa koorh rupaa koorh painHanhaar.

False is gold, and false is silver; false are those who wear them.

kUVu kwieAw kUVu kpVu kUVu rUpu Apwru ] (468-6, Awsw, mÚ 1)

koorh kaa-i-aa koorh kaparh koorh roop apaar.

False is the body, false are the clothes; false is incomparable beauty.

kUVu mIAw kUVu bIbI Kip hoey Kwru ] (468-6, Awsw, mÚ 1)

koorh mee-aa koorh beebee khap ho-ay khaar.

False is the husband, false is the wife; they mourn and waste away.

kUiV kUVY nyhu lgw ivsirAw krqwru ] (468-7, Awsw, mÚ 1)

koorh koorhai nayhu lagaa visri-aa kartaar.

The false ones love falsehood, and forget their Creator.

iksu nwil kIcY dosqI sBu jgu clxhwru ] (468-7, Awsw, mÚ 1)

kis naal keechai dostee sabh jag chalanhaar.

With whom should I become friends, if all the world shall pass away?

kUVu imTw kUVu mwiKau kUVu foby pUru ] (468-7, Awsw, mÚ 1)

koorh mithaa koorh maakhi-o koorh dobay poor.

False is sweetness, false is honey; through falsehood, boat-loads of men have drowned.

nwnku vKwxY bynqI quDu bwJu kUVo kUVu ]1] (468-8, Awsw, mÚ 1)

naanak vakhaanai bayntee tuDh baajh koorho koorh. ||1||

Nanak speaks this prayer: without You, Lord, everything is totally false. ||1||