Serious Concerns For Future Of Punjabi Girls In Uk

[ParwinderSingh]

Sikh Supreme

Sikhs treat women like trash. The treatment of women by Sikh men is disgraceful as it is. Do you not think that Sikh men have attitudes that need to be addressed? Like the domestic violence, honour killings, female foeticide through abortion, the sexism of Sikh families, that kind of thing? Or do you think these things are acceptable?

And besides, what do you want to achieve and how are you going to achieve it? Do you suggest leading a mass campaign to chain women and put them in burqa? Then what is the difference between you and the Taliban?

Thirdly, what were you doing on the site, looking at pictures of girls like that anyway?

Anyone else feel things are going from bad to worse and action needs to be taken?

What action do you suggest taking? I would be interested to hear your ideas on what we can do. Its not that I find their behaviour tasteful, in fact I dislike it, but I am really curious as to what action you are thinking you might take? I also wonder why this kind of thing gets people riled up whilst Sikh men are battering women, murdering them, and aborting girls in the womb every single day, without so much as a whimper from lots of Sikh men.

Also, Sikh men these days carry out unhealthy things, including promiscuity, looking at porn, smoking, drinking. Why single out women for action to be taken when Sikh men are just as bad? Or do you overlook them doing it for some reason?

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these men you talk about are not sikhs.

i don't think you quite grasped what sikh supreme is trying to say. and i doubt he was trying to look at women by going on that site, the first time i found out bout that site was thru an email my friend sent me in hotmail.

sikh supreme im sure does not want to put women in burkas, and does not follow taliban ideaology, the action we cud take is to make youth aware of whats good and bad and educate them.

we shud try to answer the questions set and discuss, ur post was as if u are being quite rude towards sikh supreme

bhul chuk di kima

[Pargeet]

You have to remember that it's not all girls who act/dress this way. It's up to the individual to behave how they want to behave, who are we to judge other people when we also have our own flaws to look at...the people on there will soon learn their own lessons in time.

As for hi.5, it's just the internet and another place for people to muck around...I also gotta agree that the guys also need a fix up as I can't count how many times guys from there PM me. It's just one of those things that we don't really have control over so there is no need in getting so worked up over it. You need to remember that the minority does not reflect the whole community.

[26th27thDecember]

well i agree with lots of you. Its true.... these things happen because most of these people(like me) were never introduced properly to the world around them (as u said educated about the world and sikhi or the values what ever you wana call it)

is it their fault?...well if you look at it from a person who knwos that its his/her choice...and whatever they do reflects them...then ofcourse you would say it stehir fualt. but if you look at it from tehir perspective ...they hardly met any person or had company of people who we call a good sangat(prolly one but one is not that good unless that one is apowerful spirit)

teh things they see around them/us, and the messages that are given are jus what they become!

its both ways...as we know most of people like me think that life is about impressing people around us...and try to fit in. see whats popular and do it. its the javaani and trying to explore what life is!

thats why schools were opened. they were help and teach human kind how to be civilized person and live a well life...also to teach a person: being resposible for tehir own actions.

i learned things in a hard way. didnt hit the rock bottom but have seen things and thought about doing them. Thanks to waheguru...dont knwo what i have done in my life that Akal made me think. eventhought i did things but learned with his kirpa and stopped before it was too late. i know how things are. its not easy...nd we are just exposed to wrong information from the start!

call it karam (past lives) or jus the environment/company around us!

The songs are giving mixed messages! thats the only "bani" (words, not gurbani) that i and them hear and contemplate on thus we take those actions.

these singers dont realize that inseatd of creating a pround punjabi culture they are ruining it...degrading it!

its a shame!

now tell me whos fault is it? :lol: (well those singers are punjabi and human beings as well...lol jus to let u think about them as not any different than other messed up punjabis)

this is for both girls and guys

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[26th27thDecember]

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sorry the post was getting long so tahst why im posting it in two diffent posts

in olden days ion punjab...people were respected for their character, even now people are...but our punjabi people have moved from punjab and are living in different cities...and dont really have a community thats reallly a loving community which lives like a family.

No one wants to hear bad thing about theiur family/child etc from anyone else!

they say NONE OF YOUR BUSNESS....

where as i have seen, and this is how peopel were in Punjab before,very well educated people who know that these types of critisizems and comments from the soceity(our brothers and sisters) are very important.

as we all are educated and know that critizim helps us grow...no one is perfect , and we should learn from others. we can;t see everything bout our selves...if people wont point um out to us...we will never know what faults we have in our selves!

people need to start seeing each other as a lovingfamily memebers who are conserned ...like Sikh Suprem. i love people like you jio!!! i have always loved them, because it shows they are resposible and they see others as part o fthem selves...their own family.

they dont see a difference between their sister/brother and others.

they dont say...oh who cares she or he not my family! where as in oldern days and about 10-15 years ago people from same village etc would be scare of anyone elder..and wouldn not do wrong things. they knew what was wrong, and if they didnt and did somehting wrong out of ignorence they were beten up..didnt matter if they were boy or a girl! they knew what kind of character a human should/and can have...and they wanted their young ones to live a life of true beings...sachii suchii life/likfe of true and pure character....i think they were follwoing what guru shaib ji had told um. guru shaib has given us hukum to see each other as a family!

sorry for such a long post...

ardas in front of guru sahib

sikhan da mun nivaan.... maut ucchi...

bhul chuk muaff karni

[Ishna]

Okay Sikh Supreme, what is your vision of how females should behave, and how are you going to enforce this view?

I have more I would like to say but I am too offended to form a polite response. Although I can see your concern (I think), I am offended that you, Sikh Supreme, seem to be relegating all young female Sikhs and Sikh-wannabes to a veeery low station below this perceived male perfection.

I notice some other people here acknowledge that some Singhs are also on the wrong side of the tracks, and I respect them for this.

I am, however, concerned by this "we have to make these females behave properly" attitude I'm seeing from some. I refuse to align myself with a group that has this kind of mentality.

Ishna.

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WAHEGURU JI KA KHALSA WAHEGURU JI KI FATEH

I agree with Ishna penji, we shouldnt make any1 behave properly, what they do has nothing to do with us however its our duty to show them the way (not force them- just educate them what Sikhi really says) and if they dont want to follow what we adviced them then its totally up to them... they got their own life to live. And when then 'realise' that what they were doing was wrong then its our responsibility to guide them back towards the right path.

By forcing them... we will just end making them have hate towards God and Sikhi and instead of praying to God out of love... they will just end up praying out of hate- which aint right.

If God wanted to force them to behave properly... he could of... but no Gods gave them the free-will to learn from there mistakes... who are we to interfere?

WAHEGURU JI KA KHALSA WAHEGURU JI KI FATEH

[*PO$H_ Da_PO$HY*]

the thing is would you rather have people who pretend to be all religious and do stuff like drugs,sleep around etc behind everyones back [ i.e. some amritdhari going around sleeping with gals -and no i'm not making this up ]..... or would you rather have people who @ least have respect for their religion but they aint all that religious ??!!!???!

its better to have people who aint hypocrites

does dat make sense

[sikh supreme]

Okay Sikh Supreme, what is your vision of how females should behave, and how are you going to enforce this view?

I have more I would like to say but I am too offended to form a polite response.  Although I can see your concern (I think), I am offended that you, Sikh Supreme, seem to be relegating all young female Sikhs and Sikh-wannabes to a veeery low station below this perceived male perfection.

I notice some other people here acknowledge that some Singhs are also on the wrong side of the tracks, and I respect them for this.

I am, however, concerned by this "we have to make these females behave properly" attitude I'm seeing from some.  I refuse to align myself with a group that has this kind of mentality.

Ishna.

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I am not trying to enforce anything, but if a person claims to be Sikh and then totally goes against the faith, by drinking, smoking, having sex outside marriage. Then there is an issue that needs to be challenged. Sikhism is a faith if you follow it you can claim to be Sikh else do not call urself Sikh call yourself punjabi or whatever but do not refer to yourself as a Sikh guy/girl if you do not intend to follow it properly.

I see many singhs also on the wrong path they need to sort themselves out also but I believe society's morality is enforced more by females ...our mothers. If next generation of mothers are sluts and drunkheads... they will lose respect from others because they have no self respect and their children will be think its the norm and we go on a downward spiral. Already we are seeing this in society....men have always been in negative light the only difference now is women are copying the bad traits of men.

You can see this by examples of sites like hi5, a few months ago it was all innocent people just posting their normal pics up having fun, but gradually I have seen people posting up pics and comments that they would not dare show or say infront of their own mother or father, yet they openly showing it to the rest of the world they have no limits.

Either we can sit back and go with the flow see our community get more corrupt or try and help these lost souls the consequences of their actions (ie drinking, smoking, sleeping around may fun in the the short term but longer term they will come to regret).

[sikh supreme]

the thing is would you  rather have people who pretend to be all religious and do stuff like drugs,sleep around etc behind everyones back [ i.e. some amritdhari going around sleeping with gals -and no i'm not making this up  ]..... or would you rather have people who @ least have respect for their religion but they aint all that religious ??!!!???!

its better to have people who aint hypocrites

does dat make sense 

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Thats a good point.... depends on the consequences and on your conscience.

If a person has the apperance of the Sikh or claims to be Sikh telling people he/she is Sikh yet go against the teachings what does it say to non-sikhs? that Sikhs are a bunch of jokers. It becomes an issue for all of us because its disrespecting the faith openly.

Yet of you are amritdhari sikh and smoke, drink, sleep around on the sly but no one knows about it then its between you, your conscience and Waheguru.

[SSM]

Some singhs and kaurs are doing much worse.

If ur saying thts their problem then we got something wrong! They give the wrong impression cos everyone knows what they up to and it gives an even worse image to non sikhs.

They think it is undercover but we all know what they are up to yet u seem to think thats not something for u to complain about.