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if only we listened, asked, and said satbachan to the hukam of panj singhs....

if in doubt ask them.. and then say satbachan and carry on living...and japping naam...reading bani..

guroo sahib rest in 5 singhs..

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the sukhnidaan prashad was given to us by guru gobind singh ji.

we should accept it.

but yes people do abuse it and change what is put into the sukhnidaan, and how much of it is ingested.

usage and abusage.

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Concrete research?... No findings in favour have been concrete, there have been hearings and rights and laws are passed once evidence is found to be substantially correct or valid... let me clarify...

Everybody is talking about facts etc. I'll give you my medical insight, the only positive on practical terms of cannabis is that because the rush of blood is increasing, your muscles are looser, therefore temporarily limiting aches and pains... people with MS and in some cases high blood pressure may benefit from STRICTLY medical use of cannabis. The point people are trying to make is that there is some sort of spiritual link between Sikhi and Cannabis, thats absolute nonsense, perhaps a historical link which I'll explain, but spiritually you're not really elevated on any level, its the fact that the blood rush (im being really un technical here) enduces dopamine which is the 'feel good' chemical within your brain... so if there is anybody saying you are becoming more spiritual from cannabis use... lay off it you might learn more...

On the other hand it can also reduce serotonins, making you feel depressed, paranoid sleep deprived etc. As well as this the long term effects of mental health are really bad... example at a hospital I did my placements at about 6 years ago, the consultant was telling me about a woman who had forgot her baby was in a house in which she didn't turn off the gas... you can all kind of guess what happened... very sad story!

Cannabis also tends to make people lazy if used regularly, people speak about being in anand (ecstacy) however the downer of cannabis is apparently not one which is very pleasant...

The context of marijuana use and Guru ji's days is totally different to how users here are trying to pass it off (some of the suggestions have given me a good laugh!) Puratan traditions should only be carried out in complete context, in the days of Singhs and battle, people would often be left severely wounded finding it difficult to fulfill their role as a soldier, therefore cannabis would provide medicinal pain relief as well as given the person a temporary confidence boost (a cannabis user when high will feel as if they invincible), a quality which is existant in cocaine and other drugs too. A wounded soldier using cannabis JUST for medicinal use is how Nihangs used it back in them days... on the other hand a high soldier who isn't using it for medicinal purposes isn't much use to anybody really, their hand eye co-ordination as well as their balance is impaired, their mental health would be quite poor and it is more than likely they would be quite lazy, the period of activity doesn't last very long... so the use was ONLY for medicinal purposes, not for nasha... if we use it for nasha we go against Bani, often if you see people using sukha, you'll find they'll be very laid back... another problem with oral consumption is that the effects aren't always instant, so one can drink too much and kill alot of brain cells as well as reducing serotonins to an absolute minimum, making them mentally very unstable, unpredictable and significantly lowering their ability to comprehend any information...

a previous poster has claimed puratan traditions have to be followed, well they are in context, getting high for no apparent need or use isn't in the context as it was in Guru ji's days...

Waheguru Ji Ka Khalsa

Waheguru Ji Ki Fateh

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yh it was used as a pain killer, and still is in a very small amount of places. but not as an intoxicant. because the amout of cannabis in there is no where near enough to mess with yourhead. only enough to bind with the opiod receptors and bar the pain stimulus for a limited amount of time.

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Medically, I've not trained in India so I don't know how stuff works there... but I wouldn't advise anybody in this day and age to use it as a pain-killer...

If there isn't enough to make any effect to your mental health its unlikely that the pain relief will be very effective, the whole point of using Cannabis for medicinal uses is that (being very untechnical here) the blood rush initiates an effect which loosens muscles, to make any use of the pain relief of Cannabis one would have to be intoxicated...

At the point when one is intoxicated (any amount of cannabis messes with your head!) they feel less pain, the increased heart rate enduces a chemical called dopamine, it is this which is the physical pleasure of being intoxicated... dopamine is inevitably released when any amount of cannabis is used, so even using cannabis for medicinal purposes does intoxicate you, its still cannabis... in terms of mental health, imbalancing chemicals within the brain is a risky game, triggers alot of mental health problems off... in binding with a persons opiod receptors, to any extent leads to health problems...Chemical imbalances are the result, leading to alot of health issues as well as being a lazy one lol

You can't pick and choose how much Cannabis is used, all measures of cannabis affect your mental health due to the chemicals released, this is obviously bad for you and shouldn't be encouraged, we won't benefit as a community from the use of it, we'll be lazy and won't function as well.

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One thing I don't get?

I have never seen anypone on cannabis/marijuanan who is not 10 times more lazy, slow and dopey (hence the term) than before. How can this possibly help a warrior?? It will slow down physical reaction times, slow down the thinking process and make you seriously hungry? How can this help?

Opium on the other hand, has clear and proven analgesic effects. So I can see how this may have been used medicinally to stop pain. It is still used to in hospitals.

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dalsingh101...

you're right the negatives outweigh the positives, in the long term use of cannabis is no good to a warrior whatsoever...

For an initial period when the intoxicant is giving you a 'high', the blood is rushing around your body and your heartrate is increasing, then an individual psychologically feels quite invincible, generally we see this as a person's judgement being impaired. However, the after effects of this 'high' results in a person as you said being lazy and pretty much useless as a warrior, the 'downer' often leaves people really flustered and it is after the short-term high that the laziness etc. usually takes place...

There is no difference in how you prepare it, the only difference is the effects are usually developed at different stages... oral consumption is known to have effects which aren't instant, smoking cannabis has a more instant effect. The oral consumption again would be more useful in medicinal terms, but its still not the best form of pain relief.

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omg omg

shaheedi degh shahhedi degh

eh nawi hi cheez kad layi aa

so u mean that karah parshad di degh has no power in it?

sahibzade had shaeedi degh??? omg this is so ridiculous

did guru sahib also shuk shaeedi degh?

i dnt turst what ever ur references r from.

stop brainwashing people here.

bhai mati das bhai sati das bhai dayala jina nu enne taseehe dittey did they had shaeedi degh when they were arrested?

they sacrified their life for not being muslim for not eating all that <banned word filter activated> and guys saying that baba deep singh ji used to eat that. didnt baba deep singh ji have naam kamai to be strong enogh to fight?

and yea !!!bhai bachitaar singh had enough time to first shuk shaeedi degh and then worry abt the elephant who was destroying everything.

all these things u r saying can never be accepted in sikh panth. GURU SAHIB SAID NOTHING LIKE THAT.

WHY THERE WAS NO SHAHEEDI DEGH WHILE SELECTION OF PANJ PYARE ? WHY THERE WAS NO BAKRA IN BAATA?

OK U WILL SAY THERE WAS... THEN WHY NOT NOW IN AMRITSHACHARS NOW DAYS?

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to make the cannabis which is bought on the black market. you have to get loads of leaves. process them. heat them until they decompose and become a thick black liquid. heat it again. filter it. then heat it again. it is lengthy process which refines the cannabis, and increases its concentration. in the shaheedi degh, there are 5 leaves. unprocessed natural. they do not have anywhere near as much intoxicant to mess you up. like i said before, most of the medication you take when you are ill are worse for your body. like paracetamol tablets, they sit in your stomach for 2 hour before they can be broken down. and only 10-12% is absorbed by the bosy. the remaining 90% passes through the system. and in the long term, they damage your live and kidneys.

sukhnidaan is the prashad given by guru ji which benefits the body. bhang is the other crap that people take.

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why do you all argue, if those that want to be akj's and disregard puratan khalsa warrior traditions let them. Im sure those that dont, will continue to uphold asli puratan maryada. According to rattan singh bhangus panth prakash, the khalsa was created to standardise the warrior, eliminating caste, creed, etc. The rules of the khalsa were simple, 4 kurehata, but how they lived was determined by the activities going on at that period - battle, hiding,etc. They ate meat to survive, and made sukha as a antibiotic as well as a boost. The khalsa(nihangs) are a warrior sect of sikhi, we are lions, dont disregard the truth for something that is within fairy tales.

I guess this is the way it should be, back then all the shaheeds were all nihangs, and they were only a few of them, and theres only a handfull of dalpanth fauja now aswell.

Regardless of this forum, and peoples views everyone is still going to do what they want!!

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omg omg

shaheedi degh shahhedi degh

eh nawi hi cheez kad layi aa

so u mean that karah parshad di degh has no power in it?

sahibzade had shaeedi degh??? omg this is so ridiculous

did guru sahib also shuk shaeedi degh?

i dnt turst what ever ur references r from.

stop brainwashing people here.

bhai mati das bhai sati das bhai dayala jina nu enne taseehe dittey did they had shaeedi degh when they were arrested?

they sacrified their life for not being muslim for not eating all that <banned word filter activated> and guys saying that baba deep singh ji used to eat that. didnt baba deep singh ji have naam kamai to be strong enogh to fight?

and yea !!!bhai bachitaar singh had enough time to first shuk shaeedi degh and then worry abt the elephant who was destroying everything.

all these things u r saying can never be accepted in sikh panth. GURU SAHIB SAID NOTHING LIKE THAT.

WHY THERE WAS NO SHAHEEDI DEGH WHILE SELECTION OF PANJ PYARE ? WHY THERE WAS NO BAKRA IN BAATA?

OK U WILL SAY THERE WAS... THEN WHY NOT NOW IN AMRITSHACHARS NOW DAYS?

what do akj kno... ur just a modern man made jatha with sum f*cked up views

thats tru, akj's have distorted the nihang maryada.

p.s. this isnt jatha bashing.

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omg omg

shaheedi degh shahhedi degh

eh nawi hi cheez kad layi aa

so u mean that karah parshad di degh has no power in it?

sahibzade had shaeedi degh??? omg this is so ridiculous

did guru sahib also shuk shaeedi degh?

i dnt turst what ever ur references r from.

stop brainwashing people here.

bhai mati das bhai sati das bhai dayala jina nu enne taseehe dittey did they had shaeedi degh when they were arrested?

they sacrified their life for not being muslim for not eating all that <banned word filter activated> and guys saying that baba deep singh ji used to eat that. didnt baba deep singh ji have naam kamai to be strong enogh to fight?

and yea !!!bhai bachitaar singh had enough time to first shuk shaeedi degh and then worry abt the elephant who was destroying everything.

all these things u r saying can never be accepted in sikh panth. GURU SAHIB SAID NOTHING LIKE THAT.

WHY THERE WAS NO SHAHEEDI DEGH WHILE SELECTION OF PANJ PYARE ? WHY THERE WAS NO BAKRA IN BAATA?

OK U WILL SAY THERE WAS... THEN WHY NOT NOW IN AMRITSHACHARS NOW DAYS?

what do akj kno... ur just a modern man made jatha with sum f*cked up views

thats tru, akj's have distorted the nihang maryada.

p.s. this isnt jatha bashing.

I second that

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