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What is the point of "shooting the messenger"

The Chardhi Kala Jatha is probably just going by what they have seen many Nihungs practice in Panjab itself. It is not like they are promoting or taking bhang themselves.

Besides if Sikhs of the past did use "panj puthay" or 5 leaves from a cannabis plant, the amount of intoxicating substance (THC) in them would be minuscule, especially in amongst all the other ingredients.

The leaves of the plant are not what is used by people to intoxicate themselves but rather the buds or flowers - which apparently have a MUCH higher level of THC.

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They can write and talk all they want, no Real Nihang Singh Dal will ever stop the maryada of Shaheedi Degh or jhatka for that matter. AKJ UK from Derby who recently showed support for Sarabjit Dhund

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did anyone attended to see the chardi kala jatha yet? I wanted to ask them why how and where they have learnt that sikhs used marijuana.

Ratan Singh Bhangu's prachin panth prakash mentions this. I agree that not everything written in historical granths can be trusted but Mr. Bhangu was the grandson of a great martyer Bhai Sahib Mehtab Singh Jee.

If sukhnidhan is prepared with full maryada, there is no nasha in it. Thats what chardi kala jatha says and I tend to agree with them.

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did anyone attended to see the chardi kala jatha yet? I wanted to ask them why how and where they have learnt that sikhs used marijuana.

Ratan Singh Bhangu's prachin panth prakash mentions this. I agree that not everything written in historical granths can be trusted but Mr. Bhangu was the grandson of a great martyer Bhai Sahib Mehtab Singh Jee.

If sukhnidhan is prepared with full maryada, there is no nasha in it. Thats what chardi kala jatha says and I tend to agree with them.

My point into this matter was simple that people try to cover up the past which does not suit them, I’m not saying everyone take cannabis but respect an important part of our history and our methods of war. Why hide stuff like that or try to make out it never happened or people who practice are doing something wrong (as long as they do not abuse).

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shame on u people who are trying to change sikhi according to their jathebandi ...

lets see 3 different conditions

1.hairs ... kill a kessadhari sikh and get 5 paise ...

sir par jo sikh dhare kess

rehn na deyo apne desh ... these were the words of lahors king ...

did sikhs cut there hair with fear of getting killed ... no beacuse cutting hairs is a vajjar kurehat ... 1 out of 4 vajjar kurehats

2.jhatka ... do we have enough proofs sikhs ate jhatka ??? yes we have ... and so the same people say ... ahhh they had nothing to eat so they ate it ... but guru sahib never allowed ... its not guru sahib never allowed its their particular jathebandi ... instead the bigger problem instead of taking it as a part of sikhi they take sikhi as part of it ... this is the boundry of my jathebandi so this should be the boundry of sikhi ...

going back to jhatka even banda bhadar ate it ... so were all they died as tankhayia singhs ????

same people who were ready to get their heads cut but not their hairs ... did other bajjar kurehat by eating meat for saving their life ...

if jhatka was bajjar kurehat ... if a sikh like baba banda bahadar had heard it from the mukh of guru gobind singh that you should not eat meat while taking amrit ... then he should have died and told his fauj to die with hunger instead of telling them that they should jhatka their horses ...

ragra - mareyada was set by guru gobind singh ji 5 patte of bhang which is still followed at hazzor sahib .... to make sikhs strong physical make their immune better ... its not given for nasha ... nor 5 patte has any nasha ... u need to get 100 times more bhang to give u some nasha ...

this mareyada was followed by baba deep singh and all other fauj of guru sahib ... if some one abuses it he is not a sikh ...

in brief sikhs were same who didnt cut their hairs being bajjar kurehat but ate meat and did ragra .... either they didnt understood sikhi ... or you are not ...

appo apni budh hai jeeti ...

I read that Sahib Sri Guru Gobind Singh Ji said to Banda not to have more than one wife etc. but he did so anyway...agreed that Banda was a great warrior but it doesnt mean that he followed every word of Guru Ji...

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shame on u people who are trying to change sikhi according to their jathebandi ...

lets see 3 different conditions

1.hairs ... kill a kessadhari sikh and get 5 paise ...

sir par jo sikh dhare kess

rehn na deyo apne desh ... these were the words of lahors king ...

did sikhs cut there hair with fear of getting killed ... no beacuse cutting hairs is a vajjar kurehat ... 1 out of 4 vajjar kurehats

2.jhatka ... do we have enough proofs sikhs ate jhatka ??? yes we have ... and so the same people say ... ahhh they had nothing to eat so they ate it ... but guru sahib never allowed ... its not guru sahib never allowed its their particular jathebandi ... instead the bigger problem instead of taking it as a part of sikhi they take sikhi as part of it ... this is the boundry of my jathebandi so this should be the boundry of sikhi ...

going back to jhatka even banda bhadar ate it ... so were all they died as tankhayia singhs ????

same people who were ready to get their heads cut but not their hairs ... did other bajjar kurehat by eating meat for saving their life ...

if jhatka was bajjar kurehat ... if a sikh like baba banda bahadar had heard it from the mukh of guru gobind singh that you should not eat meat while taking amrit ... then he should have died and told his fauj to die with hunger instead of telling them that they should jhatka their horses ...

ragra - mareyada was set by guru gobind singh ji 5 patte of bhang which is still followed at hazzor sahib .... to make sikhs strong physical make their immune better ... its not given for nasha ... nor 5 patte has any nasha ... u need to get 100 times more bhang to give u some nasha ...

this mareyada was followed by baba deep singh and all other fauj of guru sahib ... if some one abuses it he is not a sikh ...

in brief sikhs were same who didnt cut their hairs being bajjar kurehat but ate meat and did ragra .... either they didnt understood sikhi ... or you are not ...

appo apni budh hai jeeti ...

I read that Sahib Sri Guru Gobind Singh Ji said to Banda not to have more than one wife etc. but he did so anyway...agreed that Banda was a great warrior but it doesnt mean that he followed every word of Guru Ji...

not more then one wife but not to have a wife at all ... and banda bahadur was one of the endless examples !!!

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What is the reference that Baba Banda Singh was told not to have a wife and he ate jhatka? What is the reference that Guru Sahib Himself started the "maryada" of 5 bhang leaves? Do people at Hazoor Sahib or Nihungs have any reference or documents to support their beliefs?

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any puratan granth of sikh itehas which covers the itehas of banda bahadur including panth parkash by rattan singh bhangu claims banda bhadur was told not to marry ...

And about ragra and jhatka it can also in found in almost all historic granths ...

The question should be which historic text or granth existed before 1930s which goes against this belief ...

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Gurfateh

I'll put my hands up and say I'm thinking about changing my stance in regards to medicinal bhang. Thinking about it, the kurehit is not to take nasha, even medicines contain (chemical) alcohol but aren't nasha or kurehit right? Jassa ji when you say it doesn't have any effect on the mind, is it just that it doesn't make you go completely high, OR absolutely no nasha effect, the only result is a healing one? An honest question, if it is just a medicine, then why take do nihang singhs take it every day? There isn't a medicinal need in day to day life.

Interested to hear sangats thoughts.

Fateh

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any puratan granth of sikh itehas which covers the itehas of banda bahadur including panth parkash by rattan singh bhangu claims banda bhadur was told not to marry ...

Let's not forget that Bhangu's work is not free from errors and his work written 100 years after Baba Banda Singh is not very reliable when compared to contemporary and eye witness sources written in Persian. None of these sources claim that Baba Banda Singh ate jhatka or drank bhang or even established himself as Guru. Such stories spread later on around 1834 but no sources written before 1834 mention any of this. Descendents of Baba Banda Singh to this day follow Guru Granth Sahib and preach Sikhi. Marriage is part of Sikhi and it makes no sense Guru Sahib telling Baba Ji not to get married. My question to you is why is Bhangu's work reliable in this matter?

And about ragra and jhatka it can also in found in almost all historic granths ...

There is a big difference between Sikhs taking bhang and Guru Sahib Himself starting this practice. Which granth states that Guru Sahib started all of this? One has to be a fool to believe in Gian Singh for saying Guru Sahib took afeem and ate horses without any veechar on this subject. I have not come across any that explicitly states that Guru Sahib Himself drank bhang. Could it be that authors of such statements themselves took intoxicants and justified it by using the name of the Guru? Very well so. I am asking for names of the sources so that I can study this subject with some scrutiny. Saying “all” is too many and I assure you not all say what you are claiming.

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Using something medically or everyday just to function is completely opposite. The doctor gives you a period of time of which you are prescribed to take a drug. The doctor doesnt just say take vicodin when ever you want, and however you want.

For a body that doesnt have thc through it, then its effect would be more medically inducing but to people who just get high they arent using it as a medicine anyway. Therapy using bhang as a mild pain reliever etc is correct but once your healed then move on and stop using the plant.

Ganjah is a medicine that has been growing in the wild well before the petroleum bi-product asprin was ever invented, people that use asprin allday everyday are in the same book as bhangis. If they need medicine daily then they have a major chemical imbalance and any drug is the suspect of abuse whether it be legal and/or socially acceptable.

Now a daze people use it to get high, not to relieve an ailment etc. People do it to be kewl, do you take asprin for a headache to be kewl.(for one I havent had a headache for at least 7-8 years) Do your friends say yeah you got some icy-hot medical rub? or is just bhang enough to celebrate??? People get too attached to a plant instead of Naam, and you will definitely get mixed up with anything you cant control.

Are you one who cares more about your next time you get to use bhang, or one who begs to be a chela of Guru Gobind Singh Ji??? Trying to say bhang is part of history is just an excuse to use bhang while you give up your Sikhi. Trying to say I can because some people in Sikh history used it for therapy against cutt-off arms and legs, post tramatic stress disorder, etc is like cutting your wrists and slowly bleeding yourself to death.

Do you need bhang or do you want bhang?? I dont think many here can tell the difference from the two. and I also dont think anyone that will answer has ever been to a doctor of medicine with a conversation of medical pros/cons to know if the person should use an alternative medicine for their problem.

yadayad

bhangis should really understand what they are doing or not doing. Is a plant more important than being rehatvaan????

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Maybe people are better off drinking it rather than spitting moral venom everywhere they go. What applies to you, does not apply to me nor the billions of other existing right now, never again will there be another one like me, you or any individual of the billions out there, celebrate your time here. The body, mind and emotion is the vehicle, Rehit is the fully loaded package and GuruJi is the Satnav…your rides been pimped out enjoy the journey of life and stop wrangling over nonsense.

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I think some people are getting it twisted. No one is saying "take bhang" instead some are simply saying "yes, SOME of our nihung ancestors took bhang."

Why people get their knckers in a twist is beyond me. Bhang taking in the late 1700s is widely mentioned by European sources. This doesn't excuse getting high today.

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