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Did Bhagat Kabeer ji, or Baba Fareed Ji, get naam from the panj pyaray??

'Naam' is 'Naam' no-ordinary person can give you naam, only satguru can give you naam, as an order from Akaal purkh.

Its very wrong to say it bears no fruit, without having it from punj pyaray, that's ignorance. Bhul chuk muaf! ^_^

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Did Bhagat Kabeer ji, or Baba Fareed Ji, get naam from the panj pyaray??

'Naam' is 'Naam' no-ordinary person can give you naam, only satguru can give you naam, as an order from Akaal purkh.

Its very wrong to say it bears no fruit, without having it from punj pyaray, that's ignorance. Bhul chuk muaf! ^_^

OHH .. Daljeet ji .. u hit the target.. but im sure ppl will have a lot to say ...

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Someone once explained it to me like this....

Until you take amrit, your simran and your reciting of baani is still good. You are most definitely helping yourself, but to consider it like this:

You're saving money for years and years, and keeping it in your room. Sure, you're saving money, and that's helping, but taking amrit is like putting that money in the bank. You're getting SO MUCH MORE out of it, once it's in the bank, just as you'd be getting so much more out of simran once you're amritdhari.

I think those that say that only an amritdhari can do simran is a crackhead... honestly, go take more drugs, cuz SOMETHIGN has to clear up that misconception... that's just not right... simran will always ahve an effect on you: e.g a story:

There's this teenager in sangat. Doesn't really enjoy it, doesn't have any knowledge of punjabi/gurmukhi. He seeks the advice of an uncle that he trusts and he tells him: Uncle ji, no matter what i do, i don't understand punjabi. It just seems useless to me to be sitting inside the darbar when i can't understand what is being sung. What good is it to me? Is it even worth it for me?

The Uncle takes the kid into the kitchen area and takes a strainer. He says: "watch this beta". He turns the water on, and leaves the strainer there. 1 minute goes by... then 2.. then 3. By now the kid's wondering, like, what IS this guy doin!? so he asks the Uncle Ji "uncle, what are you doin", and the uncle replies "look at the strainer. It was dirty before, and then i put it under the water. Now look at it!" Sure enough, the strainer was sparkling clean. The Uncle continues:

"See beta, it doesn't amtter that the strainer wasn't grasping or keeping any of the water. Look, even though it was just in the presence of water, it was still being cleaned, despite the fact that it wasn't holding on to any of it! The strainer is you!! the water represents Shabad, Baani, Naam! It doesn't matter that you don't understand it, but just being in its PRESENCE, you're being washed! That is the power of Naam!"

So to say that naam has no effect.... brutally brutallly wrong

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Someone once explained it to me like this....

Until you take amrit, your simran and your reciting of baani is still good. You are most definitely helping yourself, but to consider it like this:

You're saving money for years and years, and keeping it in your room. Sure, you're saving money, and that's helping, but taking amrit is like putting that money in the bank. You're getting SO MUCH MORE out of it, once it's in the bank, just as you'd be getting so much more out of simran once you're amritdhari.

I think those that say that only an amritdhari can do simran is a crackhead... honestly, go take more drugs, cuz SOMETHIGN has to clear up that misconception... that's just not right... simran will always ahve an effect on you: e.g a story:

There's this teenager in sangat. Doesn't really enjoy it, doesn't have any knowledge of punjabi/gurmukhi. He seeks the advice of an uncle that he trusts and he tells him: Uncle ji, no matter what i do, i don't understand punjabi. It just seems useless to me to be sitting inside the darbar when i can't understand what is being sung. What good is it to me? Is it even worth it for me?

The Uncle takes the kid into the kitchen area and takes a strainer. He says: "watch this beta". He turns the water on, and leaves the strainer there. 1 minute goes by... then 2.. then 3. By now the kid's wondering, like, what IS this

guy doin!? so he asks the Uncle Ji "uncle, what are you doin", and the uncle replies "look at the strainer. It was dirty before, and then i put it under the water. Now look at it!" Sure enough, the strainer was sparkling clean. The Uncle continues: "See beta, it doesn't amtter that the strainer wasn't grasping or keeping any of the water. Look, even though it was just in the presence of water, it was still being cleaned, despite the fact that it wasn't holding on to any of it! The strainer is you!! the water represents Shabad, Baani, Naam! It doesn't matter that you don't understand it, but just being in its PRESENCE, you're being washed! That is the power of Naam!"

So to say that naam has no effect.... brutally brutallly wrong

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Did Bhagat Kabeer ji, or Baba Fareed Ji, get naam from the panj pyaray??

'Naam' is 'Naam' no-ordinary person can give you naam, only satguru can give you naam, as an order from Akaal purkh.

Its very wrong to say it bears no fruit, without having it from punj pyaray, that's ignorance. Bhul chuk muaf! ^_^

They received it from sri guru jee in the form of charan pahul.

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From Gursikhi Jeevan

Read Baba Harnaam Singh Ji's biography. He clearly tells that when Naam Simran will help a person for sure in this world, but to create relations with Guru Ji to have him help you in the next world (the ultimate motive of doing naam simran) you need to be amritthari, i.e. naam simran only bears full fruits when you are doing it after Guru Ji has instilled that naam in you.

Moreover, he also writes that to get our naam/gurbani abhiyaas parvan on his dar we have to do ardas. There was a person named Bh. Onkar Singh Ji from Sri Amritsar (I believe) who asked Baba Ji to do ardas for him and in return Baba Ji asked him how to address him in the ardas? Baba Ji said ardas is only accepted of sevaks or Sikhs. It's very hard to become a sevak of Guru Ji. You have to give your tan/man/dhan to him. And Bh. Onkar Singh Ji was not at that stage yet and since he was not even amritthari, Baba Ji said he could not do ardas for him.

There are many other places where he says that one who is not amritthari can go on and do naam abhiyas as much as he can, but he will not be able to gain parsantaa of Guru Ji.

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