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as someone said, Gursiksh had similar problems with drayton manor a few yrs back, all the normal steps like writing them letters, talking with them and trying to make them understand were tried, this didn;'t work and at that stage United Sikhs went down the legal route with drayton Manor, however i am not sure what the outcome of this was.

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Gurfateh jee

There is a facebook page with a video on it too:

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An Incident Today Drayton Manor Park saw children of the Shaheed Bhai Fauja Singh Gurmat Camp organised by Edward Street Youth Forum, be escorted out from the park in mass by security due to a small amount of a young Amritdhari Singh's kirpan showing, branding it as an offensive weapon. The same camp where children were taught how as Sikhs we should aim to see the whole human race as one, treat all with love and compassion, amongst many other moral and sikh values ...

Upon questioning, the children were informed that not only could they not use the rides due to health and safety with kirpans (to some level understandable, only to some small level, as all amritdhari's lead perfectly safe normal lives with kirpans including sports and activities, attending school, work etc), but they could not also enjoy walking around the park, looking at the attractions or zoo, but instead must be escorted out of the park immediately, a group including youngsters as young as 5 ..

Those same Sikhs who were not welcome today, and were marched out would defend the honour of any person regardless of caste, creed or colour ... Guru's of the same faith that gave their lives to defend other religions ..

Today, we face a modern battle, our brothers and sisters of the past and forefathers gave their heads but never compromised their faith .. Some countries have banned certain items violating rights to express religious identity, we are already having our turbans removed and manhandled at airports, today kirpans, what tomorrow .. We have a modern challenge ..

Sir Javai Te Javai, Mera Sikhi Sidak Na Javai

If I lose my head, so be it. But I must not lose my Sikhi.

Vahegurooo Jee Ka Khalsa Vaheguroo Jee Kee Fateh ..

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Under the Equality

My understanding is that under the new Equality Act 2010 and the Human Rights Act 1998, we are protected under Religious and ethnic discrmination. However, removal of Kirpan could be justified under Health and Safety and for the protection of others.

Wearing a Kirpan, loosley that can fall out during a ride, could severley injure someone. So we would have to agree that if you are wearing a Kirpan that could fall out, just like a dastar could fall off, it is sensible not to go on that ride. wearing a Kirpan that is visible, could have a 'frightening effect' on some young child, who had never seen a Sikh or know anything about the Kirpan.

Sensible approach, would be to conceal the Kirpan and be careful of what rides you go on. If stopped by security, inisit that you have aright to wear the Kirpan and it is not an offensive weapon but an article of faith, as recognised by the Ofensive Weapons Act 1996. However due to health and safety issues, you will not go on the rides, that may result in the Kirpan falling out, or demonstrate that it is securley wrapped and cannot fall out. Always wear under your clothes.

Sometimes we have to make a choice, of having fun or sticking to our core principles at the expense of cheap thrills on rides.

Was forwarded the e-mail below, by a collegue. Suggest you download the guidance and take with you in any future meetings with the Park.

Please find attached 'Guidance on the wearing of Sikh articles of Faith' produced by the Equality and Human Rights Commission.

The BSF had asked the Commission to revise an existing out of date document previously issued by the Commission for Racial Equality, which was quite wrong in a number of places. Many British Sikh organisations came together to get this document produced and issued by the Equality and Human Rights Commission. Well done to them all, and to officials at the Commission as well.

British Sikh Federation

Ihttp://www.equalityhumanrights.com/publications/guidance-and-good-practice-publications/general-guidance/

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Do you wear normal size kirpan on planes? Why are we making a big issue out of this? You simply can't wear them at certain places. E.g. parliament .

Pretty sure this is not the right attitude to have. If it was up to you, we'd probably not wear kirpans at all in a few years. If you simply sit back and let this happen, it will never stop. Slowly, they will start banning them everywhere because there's no-one challenging it.

How is it not a big issue? Your panj kakaar are meant to be part of your roop. They're not supposed to be parted from your body; not something that can be compromised. If we start choosing where to wear and not wear them, they will lose their significance.

To avoid trouble, the kirpan should be kept gupt in public places.

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I agree keep it gupt

I've been to Drayton manor as an Amritdhari and went on rides with the school children who I took

I would under no circumstance allow people to see the kirpan

But if by accident I understand

Still never happened with anyone I know

Flying is more important than a Theme park that is just for a bit of fun

Flying is the only place we compromise but singhs fly less due to the rule including myself

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Rightly or wrongly, we need to have Zero tolerance. Imagine our elders did not stand (and riot) against the Helmet ban? Today we'd probably have a Pughs in our hands. Give them an inch they'll take a mile.

If it was good enough to dress like that in the trenches, if our appearance was ok when we gave more heads as a percentage of the population than the goreh did for their own nation.. then it's good enough for a blardy fair-ground..

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A group of us need to meet with the management of Drayton Manor Theme Park and explain why it is worn etc. I have to say I am annoyed as one of my nephews went to the Bank of England on a trip and the metal detectors went off (security is high). When my nephew explained it is a part of our faith the guard smiled and said that is fine and let him through and wished him a good trip. This is just a theme park!

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Rightly or wrongly, we need to have Zero tolerance. Imagine our elders did not stand (and riot) against the Helmet ban? Today we'd probably have a Pughs in our hands. Give them an inch they'll take a mile.

If it was good enough to dress like that in the trenches, if our appearance was ok when we gave more heads as a percentage of the population than the goreh did for their own nation.. then it's good enough for a blardy fair-ground..

AMENNNNNNN! :respect::respect::respect::respect::respect::respect::respect::respect:

A group of us need to meet with the management of Drayton Manor Theme Park and explain why it is worn etc. I have to say I am annoyed as one of my nephews went to the Bank of England on a trip and the metal detectors went off (security is high). When my nephew explained it is a part of our faith the guard smiled and said that is fine and let him through and wished him a good trip. This is just a theme park!

The exact same thing happened to me when I went to the Bank of England. They had no problem with it whatsoever.

I think its clear who the educated ones are..

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