Why Are People Born Disabled?

[chatanga]

Nah. That's Brahminism, not Sikhism. Brahmans used to tell lower caste people that they deserved their lowly status because they had committed sins in their past life.

There is nothing wrong with this. Shudras were Brahmans in previous lives, but becasue they had cheted other people they had the karmic debt to setttle, which is why they were born as shudras.

Reasons for disabled children could be a lot of things. The mother did drugs or alcohol, she was taking a medication she shouldn't have been taking, she smokes, she is malnourished, her gynecologist messed up, the mother is of older age (mid 30's or older), there was a random complication in the development of the child in the womb.

So it's really no fault of the baby itself. It's environmental things that could affect it's proper development. Usually the mother's or the doctor's fault.

Now you are just clutching at straws.

Also beware of sakhi'ah that on the surface seem to glorify our Guru's but at a hidden deeper level merely slander our Guru Sahib on behalf of anti-Sikh forces. Similarly, for example, the Dusht Daman + Durga Mata concept in today's so-called DG, the fake Ram Chander genealogy ascribed to Guru Sahib and the various Charitropkhiyan stories written by Mughal scribes were a way of denigrating Dhan Dhan Guru Gobind Singh Ji Maharaj and the Khalsa Panth.

Just because you dont understand these teachings/writings of 10th Guru, dont think we are the same as you.

[chatanga]

But then Sikhism doesn't believe in a physical place called hell so the new soul must carry the penalty of it's past actions?

Sikhi does beleive in hell but it doesnt beleive it to be a permanent place for the soul.

UK = Guru Sahib were explicitly clear that they did not do miracles ... unlike Jesus (who was born to a virgin mother and was resurrected apparently) ... and Muhammad who according to the Quran flew on a magic horse all the way from Mecca to Jerusalem via Allah's personal palace over at 29 Acacia Avenue aka Jannat/Heaven where he even got to see the throne Allah sits on ... similarly Krishna was born miraculously in the same way as Jesus (to his mother Devaki) ... and apparently when Krishna yawned the whole Universe could be seen inside his mouth as if it was a mini-tv picture of the entire galaxy. I mean can you even begin to compete with the above Kaljugi Paji? :-)

UK = But even though it's plainly obvious that all these miracles of the Christians, Hindu's + Muslims are pretty ridiculous and blatantly false, we get our own folks thinking that it is somehow big or clever to copy the Christians, Hindu's and Muslims and start fabricating or accepting so-called miracles of our own when Guru Sahib expressly forbade miracles. Guru Arjan Dev Ji Maharaj and Guru Tegh Bahadur Ji Maharaj's shaheed-iah alone should have made the matter crystal clear enough for us to put it beyond debate.

uk guy, what did Bhai Gurdas Ji say about Guru Nanaks visit to mecca?

now you will say as per you donkey teacher ghagga that Bhai Gurdas Varan are not in line with Sikhi.

[Sherdil]

There is nothing wrong with this. Shudras were Brahmans in previous lives, but becasue they had cheted other people they had the karmic debt to setttle, which is why they were born as shudras.

How can anyone know this? Do you remember anything from your past life? Why would god punish you, but then make you forget what you did? So you can keep repeating the same mistakes again and again? You are saying that certain people deserve to be born destitute and downtrodden. I can't imagine any of the Gurus sharing your view. They said Shudras and Brahmans are equals.

Now you are just clutching at straws.

Actually, this is called medicine.

[Beginner]

How can anyone know this? Do you remember anything from your past life? Why would god punish you, but then make you forget what you did? So you can keep repeating the same mistakes again and again? You are saying that certain people deserve to be born destitute and downtrodden. I can't imagine any of the Gurus sharing your view. They said Shudras and Brahmans are equals.

Actually, this is called medicine.

So is this the only life we live? How about this example: someone knows exactly what they're doing, they murder a man. Directly after, they forget. Are they still guilty? of course they are...

God reminds us of our mistakes thru pain, pain which we bring upon ourselves thru deeds.

[Sherdil]

So is this the only life we live? How about this example: someone knows exactly what they're doing, they murder a man. Directly after, they forget. Are they still guilty? of course they are...

God reminds us of our mistakes thru pain, pain which we bring upon ourselves thru deeds.

Why do we have to look at life as a punishment? Can't we see it as another opportunity to realize God? If we are reborn, then God is giving us another chance to get it right.

[Bijla Singh]

r ppl born disabled as a punishment

It could be a lot of things but karma can never be out of the equation. It is a system made by Waheguru. It could be child’s bad karma or someone’s mistake. In latter case, a new karma gets generated and that person will have to pay for their sins. In any case, a human birth is a privilege and a blessing so that the person can take advantage of it and become united with God. Even if a person is born healthy, due to their bad karma they could suffer disability but it all depends on how they lead their present life. If a person has bad enough karma to become permanently disabled i.e. losing limbs, due to their good karma of sangat, naam abhiyaas, and Gurmat rehat it could be reduced to a small bruise. Human birth is the only way to burn away all the karma. Animals only live their karma but do not make new ones.

Are you seriously telling me that the white Americans who consume the highest levels of alcohol, commit the most adultery and enjoy as much drugs on a per capita basis as anybody else have prayed the most in their previous lives whilst the poor gareeb folks from India and Africa who do nobody any harm and live a humble shareef way deserved their lot because they must have done a lot of bad crimes in their past life?

You do not seem to understand karma. Each individual has his own karma that is unique. There is no such thing as collective karma of a community or a country. Karma mostly determines your present situation not the outcome. As stated before, present lifestyle weighs in heavily on outcome. If a community suffers holocaust or a massacre that is because of the mistakes made by its leaders. Sikhs suffered because the Sikh leaders refused to reap the opportunity and decided to live with the Hindus. For their mistakes, the entire community is suffering. They must have paid for their mistakes along with all the Hindus who turned against the Sikhs. Please read four Shabads of Babarvani in which Guru Sahib clearly states that because of the bad mistakes of Lodhis, people suffered at the hands of Babar. Now, anyone in a higher position is due to their good past karma combined with making choices in present life. There is no such karma that will ensure that one would definitely become the president of a certain country. A karma can ensure great wealth and richness but not a certain position which depends on present karma.

So if a tsunami or flood or a plague or mass starvation or millions die from HIV or malaria you genuinely attribute that to God sending those punishments down purposefully

Everything happens according to His Will which is impossible to fully understand. Part of that Hukam is set of laws and rules He has created according to which the creation operates. Karma system is part of His Hukam according to which one shall reap as they sow. One person’s mistake can affect other people’s lives in which case he/she incurs that much bad karma. Spread of diseases is not just random but always has a definite cause behind them. Tsunami or plagues are not freaks of nature that just happen randomly. They have a reason. God doesn’t seek destruction of His creation. In case of natural disaster many things could be at play and it is not possible to understand every single one but the very proof of karma’s existence is the fact that not every person died in Tsunami. Some survived which means they had good karma of past or present to live longer. It was definitely not God getting sick and tired of those people and deciding to kill them.

So the Sikh Qaum deserved 300,000 plus innocent Sikhs killed off in Pakistan in 1947 and then in 1984 we deserved 10,000 Sikhs killed off in Delhi, not to mention what happened afterwards?

Again, Sikh nation doesn’t have a collective karma. It is seriously foolish to attribute every bad happening to one’s past karma only while completely ignoring other factors. Sikh leaders made mistakes and the community suffered. All the criminals earned new karma and they will have to receive the punishment. Further, because 1984 and all the Sikh massacres were decided and supported by the Indian government, the entire country will have to pay the price and eventually India as it stands today will not exist in the future. Mistakes made by the Hindu leaders will impact the entire country and everyone shall suffer. Individual perpetrators have reaped their karma, still are and some will in the future but mistakes by the Indian leaders were never corrected so the country will have to reap the fruit. Just look at Punjab and see what is happening. No one can claim that Punjab is progressing in any way. This is because Punjabis will suffer first due to turning back on the Sikhs. Then the entire country will pay. How that happens, only time will tell.

Have you ever considered that God is = "ALL THAT IS GOOD" in the Universe(s) + beyond?

God is all good but He has created what we call “bad” or “evil”. He is the only Creator and He has revealed to us in the form of Gurbani what is good and bad and what to do and what not to do. According to Gurbani, karma system exists which unlike in other religions is dynamic and changeable. Karma involves past, present and future. Freewill is also part of the karma system. One needs to study Gurbani carefully to understand it but no one can fully know its ins and outs because only God alone knows everything. Guru Rakha

[Beginner]

Why do we have to look at life as a punishment? Can't we see it as another opportunity to realize God? If we are reborn, then God is giving us another chance to get it right.

never said it was punishment...it's to remind us that there's more than maya to this life

[chatanga]

How can anyone know this? Do you remember anything from your past life? Why would god punish you, but then make you forget what you did? So you can keep repeating the same mistakes again and again? You are saying that certain people deserve to be born destitute and downtrodden. I can't imagine any of the Gurus sharing your view. They said Shudras and Brahmans are equals.

The Gurus said that all varnas are equal, no doubt, but in the times before kal, caste apartheid was not as aggressively rigid, or discriminatory towards the shudras.

I have never said any one or any people DESERVE to be bron destitute or downtrodden. You have imagined that yourself.

Do you know what Bhai Mardana was in his previous life?

[panther]

There is nothing wrong with this. Shudras were Brahmans in previous lives, but becasue they had cheted other people they had the karmic debt to setttle, which is why they were born as shudras.

Can u provide any link to a katha about this? Aren't u basicly saying that u think they deserve to be born as shudras?

[chatanga]

Yes bro, in so much as they earned this, through their previous human existence.

Have you heard the story about when Guru Nanak Dev Ji went to the house of some one doing a purvaj pooja?