Going to Sants

[luckysingh99]

There are many who are not able to read Sri Guru Granth sahib? Are they debarred from realizing God? Answer yes or no. No beating about bush.

We are lucky that so many scholars have contributed to the translations we now have.

Even if someone can't read a single word of gurmukhi, they can still realise God as per gurmat.

Yes- i'm sure people from other faiths also realise God but since this is a sikh forum, my reference is to sikhs be they amrit or sehajdhari.

There are also many in the older generation that are illetarate because they were never taught or schooled in India or there aare some quite old that can only read shahmukhi.

All of these are told to 'listen' to nitnem when thay take amrit and to make an effort to learn.

They are also advised to do 'waheguru' simran at amritvela if they are unable to listen to morning banis.

[GPS]

Gurbani says

Jo prani Gobind dhiave

Paria anparia param gatt pave

Essence is meditating on akal purakh. Guru sahbins gave a simple path to humanity.

[gurdeepsinghjohal]

Gurbani says

Jo prani Gobind dhiave

Paria anparia param gatt pave

Essence is meditating on akal purakh. Guru sahbins gave a simple path to humanity.

You are right. Simple path to humanity without a middleman.

[N30S1NGH]

There are many sant baba followers who are biggin up their sant while putting others down these days, i hope this thread gives them reality check.

[isingh1699]

Most of the true Sants don't even call themselves Sant but apparently there are 16,000 registered (fake) Sants in Punjab i once heard!!!

[tuhintuhin]

Audio excerpt from "Jeewan Sant Baba Attar Singh ji Reru Sahib" on the topic.

167 Doubt on getting Naam Jugti.mp3

[harj1ts1ngh]

Guru Nanak Ji emphasised the importance of Grihasti jeevan and to live as a householder whilst becoming a gurmukh.

He strongly advised that one does not need to break away from the maya world but to just rise above it,.Since we all have to cross the Maya world ocean to get across,-there is no other way !!!

Remember the 3 pillars of a sikh's lfe-

1)Naam japna

2)Kirat karna

3)Vand shaka

These are ALL a MUST

2) Kirat karna-kirat kamayee, doesn't just mean earn an honest living.

It ALSO MEANS to EARN the ROTI you eat.!

Earning your roti is only done by 'labour' of some sort in this world where one is paid a monetary sum.

This is where I want to make MY point and opinion about Babey shabey and so called sant, brahmgyanis..etc..

They rely on their ROTI courtesy of sangat donations ONLY.

They don't ever go out and earn a pound/rupee/dollar like the sangat that feeds them.

WHERE IS THE KIRAT KAMAYEE ??

I don't mind the very few that are only famous on a local level because they do preach/teach/advise and at the same time they earn their own buck.

But these honest few just stay at a local level and never get mainstream attention because they don't go on rock star style 'world tours' to promote themselves either !!

This is why you never hear about them on a national or international level.

Because they stay within that local sangat whilst they earn and feed themselves.

There are too many Baba sant mants that enjoy their 1st class flights and have a dozen chelas similar to rock star entourages.

They get whisked from the airports to their venues and gigs that end up like sold out gurdwara diwan concerts !!

I'm sorry if I offend anyone, but I have no time for these kinds in my sacred gurmat path.

As we ALL know that they get plenty of cash from sangat donations, when did any one of them make a majority contribution back into society to help people ???

I mean real people, real gareeb and poor underpriveleged citizens ??

That is so true but say that to a chela and all hell will brake loose