Say no to Guru's pictures

[singh135]

Throw all ur family photos away first before u throw Guru portraits because you might start idol worshipping your family!!!! Lol

Throw all ur family photos away first before u throw Guru portraits because you might start idol worshipping your family!!!! Lol

[njkhalis]

Granted our guru sahibs might of rested or even planted them but if that is the case then these people should be doing matha tek every 2 meters as surely our guru sahibs must of been there or in the vicinity.

Yes, I agree; it would not be only two meters but each & every step where our Gurus walked, sat, rested, preached, etc. It doen't mean that we do 'mattha tek' at every inch of the earth.

[njkhalis]

Did our all ten Satgurujis worshipped any pictures/photos/paintings etc ? > NO.
Did they ordained us to do so ? > NO

As most of veers in the forum have rightly said that these paintings/pictures are impressions/beliefs/visualizations/interpretation of artists/painters; so nobody knows how our Satgurus exactly looked.

I think, after our Gurus merged themselves in Sri Akaalji, we started missing them and out of this attachment, fond, regard, loyalty, affection, bond; we tried to have a link with Gurus and this was in the form of paintings/pictures which was the only art or form in the 18th & 19th century. Slowly & gradually people started worshipping and bowing (matha tek) to the pictures imitating (bhed chaal) hindu fellows as it is vastly prevalant in their culture.

[jandialvi]

Very true

[luckysingh99]

Core message you should understand.

ਆਸਾ ਮਹਲਾ ੫ ॥

Aasaa, Fifth Mehl:

ਹਰਿ ਹਰਿ ਅਖਰ ਦੁਇ ਇਹ ਮਾਲਾ ॥

Har Har Akhar Dhue Eih Maalaa ||

These two words, Har, Har, make up my maalaa.

ਜਪਤ ਜਪਤ ਭਏ ਦੀਨ ਦਇਆਲਾ ॥੧॥

Japath Japath Bheae Dheen Dhaeiaalaa ||1||

Continually chanting and reciting this rosary, God has become merciful to me, His humble servant. ||1||

ਕਰਉ ਬੇਨਤੀ ਸਤਿਗੁਰ ਅਪੁਨੀ ॥

Karo Baenathee Sathigur Apunee ||

I offer my prayer to the True Guru.

ਕਰਿ ਕਿਰਪਾ ਰਾਖਹੁ ਸਰਣਾਈ ਮੋ ਕਉ ਦੇਹੁ ਹਰੇ ਹਰਿ ਜਪਨੀ ॥੧॥ ਰਹਾਉ ॥

Kar Kirapaa Raakhahu Saranaaee Mo Ko Dhaehu Harae Har Japanee ||1|| Rehaao ||

Shower Your Mercy upon me, and keep me safe in Your Sanctuary; please, give me the maalaa, the rosary of Har, Har. ||1||Pause||

ਹਰਿ ਮਾਲਾ ਉਰ ਅੰਤਰਿ ਧਾਰੈ ॥

Har Maalaa Our Anthar Dhhaarai ||

One who enshrines this rosary of the Lord's Name within his heart,

ਜਨਮ ਮਰਣ ਕਾ ਦੂਖੁ ਨਿਵਾਰੈ ॥੨॥

Janam Maran Kaa Dhookh Nivaarai ||2||

Is freed of the pains of birth and death. ||2||

ਹਿਰਦੈ ਸਮਾਲੈ ਮੁਖਿ ਹਰਿ ਹਰਿ ਬੋਲੈ ॥

Hiradhai Samaalai Mukh Har Har Bolai ||

The humble being who contemplates the Lord within his heart, and chants the Lord's Name, Har, Har, with his mouth,

ਸੋ ਜਨੁ ਇਤ ਉਤ ਕਤਹਿ ਨ ਡੋਲੈ ॥੩॥

So Jan Eith Outh Kathehi N Ddolai ||3||

Never wavers, here or hereafter. ||3||

ਕਹੁ ਨਾਨਕ ਜੋ ਰਾਚੈ ਨਾਇ ॥

Kahu Naanak Jo Raachai Naae ||

Says Nanak, one who is imbued with the Name,

ਹਰਿ ਮਾਲਾ ਤਾ ਕੈ ਸੰਗਿ ਜਾਇ ॥੪॥੧੯॥੭੦॥

Har Maalaa Thaa Kai Sang Jaae ||4||19||70||

Goes to the next world with the maalaa of the Lord's Name. ||4||19||70||

I LOVE this shabad !!

READ it carefully and you will find that the TRUE MALA is with us at all times !!!

There is NO need for a rosary in your hand, because each breath - THE BREATH IN and THE BREATH OUT make up each utter of HAR, therefore HAR HAR said Twice !!

What I find interesting about this shabad is that it is by Guru Arjan Devji and it is specifically talking about ''Har Har'.

Now, most of the references in gurbani to 'Har Har' are by the 3rd Guruji.

The shabad tells you that the mala of each breath within you is the mala that goes with you to the next world.

NOT the hand held rosary.

NOTE- the hand held mala is just a tool that can help some people focus and do their simran.

The counting is what is contrary to gurmat, because if your har har just stops when the end of the mala is reached then you might as well participate in other blind faith rituals !!

[VanHelsingh]

Don't some people use a mala to keep count of how many jaaps they've done? Surely there's nothing wrong with that? :blink2:

[luckysingh99]

Don't some people use a mala to keep count of how many jaaps they've done? Surely there's nothing wrong with that? :blink2:

No there isn't !!

But when one's jaap just comes to a complete stop and standstill when the mala finishes is not what it's about.

That's why guruji tell us that the True MALA should be enshrined within us at all times.

With every breath taken, ''Har Har' or waheguru should be vibrating !

Start off with a mala if you need it, I certainly used it !! But when you get to rom rom simran stage, then you will understand what the above shabad is saying !

[GPS]

The shabad tells you that the mala of each breath within you is the mala that goes with you to the next world.

NOT the hand held rosary.

Nobody said here that Mala is for counting. If so, show us where.

The point is that Har Har with each breath does not come on its own.One has to do kamai for that and such

Kamai is rejected by those who post such shabads out of context.

This can be called as ajapa jaap which comes with when you do meditation focussing on Waheguru ji.

For that one has to start Naam simran , do it continuously with unflinched faith in waheguru, get his grace

and when he bestows his grace then such awastha is obtained.

So mala is an aid for that or for aiding concentration.

I ask the poster who condemned Mala , is he remembering Har, har with each breath? What happens when he sleeps.

This shabad is aimed at those who do not do meditation but do pretend to do this by holding mala in their hands.

Essence is that rituals without actual kamai of Naam simran is of no use. It is condemnation of those pakhandis and not Mala.

[luckysingh99]

Is my language like farsi that no one with intellect can understand ?? :stupidme:

Or do I talk to a brick wall and some members will just pick out a few words to interpret their own meaning ??

Kindly tell me what your interpretation of the whole shabad is, since my version is a load codswallop ! :stupidme:

[GPS]

Is my language like farsi that no one with intellect can understand ?? :stupidme:

Or do I talk to a brick wall and some members will just pick out a few words to interpret their own meaning ??

Kindly tell me what your interpretation of the whole shabad is, since my version is a load codswallop ! :stupidme:

The shabad condemns those who pretend to be religious outwardly but do not contemplate upon Waheguru.

Mala is a means to an end to aid for concentration.Mala is not the central point. Moreover shabad is not posted by you.

It was posted by johal with a sarcastic attitude.

Read my previous post carefully before jumping to gun.

I have written that Mala with every breath stage does not come so easily. For that you require concentration for years.