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Looking at the timing of the news report if someone can confirm, it seems that this attack happened on Friday noon/early afternoon probably after the Juma prayers.

Normally, Muslims get riled up by their imams during Friday prayers and do their "protests" on their "holy" day.

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What is interesting is that during Ramadhan, Muslims are not supposed to do these things as Ramadan is a " time of reflection" and "spiritual growth". What a load of codswallop.

Total manmat soch here. Khalsa can never touch an enemy's woman. Muslim women are our.sisters. Secondly, why should Punjabi muslims be punished for what bhayya muslims do.

Another factor in this issue is that the Gurdwara runs a number of schools in the area where a majority of students are Muslims. The Gurdwara committee needs to rethink their acts of charity and now r

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From the looks of it, I don't know if there were any Sikh deaths yesterday. The three deaths involve one RSS volunteer , one Muslim shopkeeper and an unknown.

Here are the details.

Three dead in communal clashes in Saharanpur, Centre rushes 600 paramilitary forces

Saharanpur/Lucknow: Around 600 para military force personnel were rushed by the Central government after three persons were killed and 19 others, including policemen, were injured as violent clashes broke out between two communities over a land dispute in Saharanpur on Saturday.

Following the incident mobs indulged in arson, after which curfew was clamped and shoot-at-sight ordered.
"Three persons, including traders leader Harish Kochar, Arif and an unidentified person were killed in clashes between the two communities," Additional Director General of Police (Law and Order) Mukul Goel told.

Five policemen, city magistrate, and 13 others were injured. A constable Shensar Pal was stated to be in a serious condition in Chandigarh PGI after suffering a bullet injury.

District Magistrate Sandhya Tiwari and SSP Rajesh Kumar Pandey told the media in Saharanpur this evening that shoot-at-sight order has been issued.

The decision to sent the para military forces was taken after Home Minister Rajnath Singh spoke to Uttar Pradesh Chief Minister Akhilesh Yadav, official sources said.

Singh had asked Yadav to ensure communal harmony in the state in the wake of violence in Saharanpur and offered all help to contain the situation.

The Home Minister, who is personally monitoring the situation in Uttar Pradesh, had telephoned Yadav and expressed his concern over the violent clashes that broke out between two communities in the Western UP town.

He had also conveyed to the Chief Minister that the Central government would provide all assistance, including paramilitary forces, to the state government to maintain law and order.


Police fired rubber bullets to control the situation as mobs went on rampage setting several shops afire.

Prohibitory orders under section 144 of CrPC have been invoked in the district and curfew has been clamped in six areas, Commissioner, Saharanpur, Tanveer Zafar Ali said.

Senior administrative and police officials were rushed to the spot to pacify the rival groups.

DIG STF Deepak Ratan and Bhuvnesh Kumar, who was Commissioner of Saharanpur earlier, have been rushed from Lucknow by helicopter to control the situation, sources said.

Besides, 18 companies of additional force including eight of PAC, six of CRPF ,two of RAF and two of ITBP have been deployed in the troubled areas, sources said.

"As per the information received so far, there was a dispute over land between two communities which escalated this morning," Goel said.

Trouble began when members of one community started construction work at the site in Kutubsher area in the wee hours this morning, which was objected to by the other group.

Both the sides indulged in heavy brick-batting, arson and opened fire and there were reports of several shops being gutted in the clash, police said.

Even as curfew has been clamped, sporadic incidents of clashes were reported. The ADG said senior officers were camping in the area.

Saharanpur is nearly 170 km from national capital Delhi and 560 km from state capital Lucknow.

http://zeenews.india.com/news/uttar-pradesh/three-dead-in-communal-clashes-in-saharanpur-centre-rushes-600-paramilitary-forces_950273.html

We should form large defence teams ASAP.

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To Mann group - Still want to talk about Sikh- Muslim friendship ? Still people are blaming Hindus for this . WAKE UP singho the biggest blunder we can do is by trusting muslims . We did the blunder by protecting their mosques in london riots and then we are csupporting Kashmiri radicals knowing what they did to Sikhs . Mr Mann visited the muslim relief camp after Muzzafar nagar riots and this is we get . Lets teach them lessons in punjab , let them know if toch our brothers again we will get after you very hard . Sikhs in hyderabad did right things .

Mann's pretty much a lost case now. He should have been wise enough to realise that you cannot play the 'enemy of my enemy is my friend' tactic when it comes to Muslims. Muslims are nobody's friends, if they can bomb mosques because those mosques are run by another Muslim sect then how can you trust them to deal fairly with non-Muslims. Mann if he had any sense should have told the Muslims that their people were guilty of provoking the riots when a young Muslim man had molested a Hindu Jat girl. But it takes courage to call a spade a spade but Mann just wants to play the same old game.

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To Mann group - Still want to talk about Sikh- Muslim friendship ? Still people are blaming Hindus for this . WAKE UP singho the biggest blunder we can do is by trusting muslims . We did the blunder by protecting their mosques in london riots and then we are csupporting Kashmiri radicals knowing what they did to Sikhs . Mr Mann visited the muslim relief camp after Muzzafar nagar riots and this is we get . Lets teach them lessons in punjab , let them know if toch our brothers again we will get after you very hard . Sikhs in hyderabad did right things .

Let's be honest here. Sikhs in Punjab can't do anything. The biggest joke is that 14000 Nihangs are coming to UP to take revenge. They can't even take revenge in Punjab let alone go and do the same in UP. Chances are if they ever did go there they would want a police escort and a guaranteed supply of Sukha! We call the Punjabi Hindus cowards and yet they took action and blockaded a mosque in Punjab when news came that the Kashmiri Muslims had burnt the langar camps of the Hindu yatris at the Amarnath yatra camp.

You are right that the Dakhani Sikhs are much more able to take care of themselves than the Punjabi Sikhs.

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Mann's pretty much a lost case now. He should have been wise enough to realise that you cannot play the 'enemy of my enemy is my friend' tactic when it comes to Muslims. Muslims are nobody's friends, if they can bomb mosques because those mosques are run by another Muslim sect then how can you trust them to deal fairly with non-Muslims. Mann if he had any sense should have told the Muslims that their people were guilty of provoking the riots when a young Muslim man had molested a Hindu Jat girl. But it takes courage to call a spade a spade but Mann just wants to play the same old game.

Mann is a senile old man whom nobody takes seriously. He is still living in a fantasy land where Sikhs and Mohammedans would unite. It would never ever happen. Mohammedans are our mortal enemies.End of it.

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The largely Hindu Police stood back in this clash, this also something that should be noted. The Sikhs are saying this incident was well planned. This kind of thing does not happen if the Police and Political leaders are not involved, similar to 1984. Sikhs are not safe in India.

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"Punjabi Sikhs"..?? It is a shame that the whole nest of vipers is thriving and surviving in Malerkotla whilst the blood of our brothers is being shed on the streets by these dirty low class bhaiyas. Where are the so called "vailey jatt", "soorme" , :"anakhi" type now?? Grow a pair, attack Malerkotla, let no muzzie man or child go away alive. Take their young women and give a few of them to our hot blooded young males for pleasure.

That's a bit over the top. But the mistake was made in 1947 when the Jathas did not pursue the Muslims into Malerkotla and ensure that they left East Punjab as all the other Muslims did and as you say allowed a nest of vipers to thrive and reassert themselves in the Sikh heartland.

And before anyone comes back with the Ha Da Nahra story, remember that the Sikhs prior to 1947 did not have any great regard for Malerkotla. Sher Mohammed was someone who abducted a Singhni from Amritsar who committed suicide rather than be raped by him. He was killed in a battle with the Sikhs of Doaba soon after. A number of the Nawabs of Malerkota were also killed by the Dal Khalsa in battle. Maharaja Ranjit Singh forced the Nawab of Malerkotla to abdicate and the state only survived because by the treaty of Amritsar restricted the Maharaja to north of the Satluj.

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Ramadan tends to be the most violent month among Muslims.

apparently allah says that those who wage war in the pure month are the best of all. o

Let's be honest here. Sikhs in Punjab can't do anything. The biggest joke is that 14000 Nihangs are coming to UP to take revenge. They can't even take revenge in Punjab let alone go and do the same in UP. Chances are if they ever did go there they would want a police escort and a guaranteed supply of Sukha! We call the Punjabi Hindus cowards and yet they took action and blockaded a mosque in Punjab when news came that the Kashmiri Muslims had burnt the langar camps of the Hindu yatris at the Amarnath yatra camp.

You are right that the Dakhani Sikhs are much more able to take care of themselves than the Punjabi Sikhs.

You are right, Nihangs as a fighting force is ridiculous. No doubt that on an individual basis, they may have battle skills, but that is different from being a fighting unit. At no time in the last 20 years at least, have they shown their prowess on a unit basis.

I had heard about the Kashmir incident, and am glad, that the HIndus took action over it. This "quid-pro-quo" is where we Sikhs should be heading towards.

"Punjabi Sikhs"..?? It is a shame that the whole nest of vipers is thriving and surviving in Malerkotla whilst the blood of our brothers is being shed on the streets by these dirty low class bhaiyas. Where are the so called "vailey jatt", "soorme" , :"anakhi" type now?? Grow a pair, attack Malerkotla, let no muzzie man or child go away alive. Take their young women and give a few of them to our hot blooded young males for pleasure.

These are dangerous words to say, esp where Sikhs are at the mercy of these people.

That's a bit over the top. But the mistake was made in 1947 when the Jathas did not pursue the Muslims into Malerkotla and ensure that they left East Punjab as all the other Muslims did and as you say allowed a nest of vipers to thrive and reassert themselves in the Sikh heartland.

And before anyone comes back with the Ha Da Nahra story, remember that the Sikhs prior to 1947 did not have any great regard for Malerkotla. Sher Mohammed was someone who abducted a Singhni from Amritsar who committed suicide rather than be raped by him. He was killed in a battle with the Sikhs of Doaba soon after. A number of the Nawabs of Malerkota were also killed by the Dal Khalsa in battle. Maharaja Ranjit Singh forced the Nawab of Malerkotla to abdicate and the state only survived because by the treaty of Amritsar restricted the Maharaja to north of the Satluj.

You talk about Malerkotla, although at the time and even know the "Ha Da Nahra" incident is still beleived and preserved upto this day, but what about the few thousand that were left in Panjab as a whole. I mean, Jalandhar has over 25,000 muslims today, Panjabis, not bhaiyye or such. If the Sikhs to a man were forced out of west panjab, our elders should have applied the same treatment. Quid pro quo. Simple as that.

The number of muslims in Amritsar and Ludhiana? It's shocking. If we can't preserve our Sikh heritage in Pakistan, why let new mosques be built in Panjab, india?

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The Haryana separate Gurdwara committee, the beadbi of the Guru Granth Sahib at several places in India and this incident have all occurred when since the BJP came to power. Looks like the Congress and BJP are creating conflicts for the Sikhs.

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Ultimately Sikhs must realise we only got an empire and self governance and authority to legislation and self rule through armed forces and milita's we do not ask or beg for self rule we snatched ir from our oppressors and perseuctors.

Authority ultimately is only given and enforced by those who have the biggest war tactic courage, braun and manpower.
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Saharanpur is in the NW part of UP. In olden times it was known as Rohilkhand. The Muslims of this area are the descendants of Rohillas who acted as the 5th column during Abdali's invasion in India during the battle of Panipat. When Sikh misls ruled over Punjab, they also began to carry out raids in Rohilkhand and repeatedly pounded these Rohillas like no one else could have. Saharanpur was under the Shahid Misl before the British took it under their control

During Maharaja Ranjit Singh's era, a fanatic from Rohilkhand named Syed Ahmad Barelvi and his followers which included Shah Ismail who was the grandson of a great Islamic scholar Shah WalliUllah (who had invited Abdali to invade India to restore Islamic rule) came to NW frontier to incite the Pathans of Yusafzai tribe to conduct a Jihad against the Sikhs, their plan was the overthrow Sikh rule and replace it with Islamic rule. These guys were heavily influenced by Wahabis of Najd when they had gone to Arabia for a Hajj. For a while they had implemented strict Sharia Law in Peshawar and had even destroyed Sufi Dargas. They were like the ISIS/Taliban of that era. But they would never fight the Sikhs in a open battle. They would always run away when Sikhs would come. Eventually the Sikhs intercepted them at Balakot where they met their doom. These descendants of the Rohillas have probably not forgotten the pounding their ancestors received at the hands of Sikhs of olden times and are ever ready to riot against the Sikhs.

As for some here saying Sikhs are now weak. It's not weakness, but the Sikhs don't retaliate instantly. In March 1947. when the Muslims of Pothohar had began killing Sikhs, the Sikhs did not retaliate then and this emboldened the Muslims of Punjab into thinking that Sikhs had grown weak and can no longer retaliate, and so the Muslims continued with their violence. When the Sikh retaliation did eventually come during the summer of 1947, they ended up killing double the amount of Muslims. It's sad so many people had to die. But had the Sikhs retaliated in March when they began killing Sikhs, as the Hindus had done in Calcutta during direct action day then maybe a million people would not have died in Punjab on both sides of the border.

Very old but true saying is, Hindus prepare for the storm before it comes, Muslims prepare when it comes and Sikhs prepare after the storm has passed. And unfortunately for us this is true. Even though Guru Gobind Singh Jee had given hukam to Sikhs to always be tyar bar tyar, but Sikhs are never battle ready when the battle happens. Riots of 1947, 1984 and even the Sacha Sauda riots and now Saharanpur riots are all proof of this.

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