Sikh Panth, Sikh Prisoners, And Bhai Gurbaksh Singh Khalsa

[N30S1NGH]

I like to tackle this point- ardas was broken. According to my understanding, sikh can only wish in ardas. Hence, contents of ardas is in premission form - asking form not delivering or telling form. We mere mortals- speck dust don't tell to guru thats what i m going to do. Its seeking premission, asking for fullfilment for ardas.

Guru fullfills the ardas not us.In this case, Guru decided otherwise needs more seva from bhai gurbkash singh khalsa. So guru maharaj/mysterious power created suitations, changed his mind, worked through him to pull it off.

He has already pushed the limit tried his very best, most hunger strikes last 40-60 days before body gives up. What mysterious power took care of him beyond 40-60 days. Guru maharaj did all the way more evidently so after 40-60 days.

So people are blaming on bhai gurbkash singh khalsa for breaking the ardas are out of depth. Making it sound like he had full control as much ego likes to take full control.

Aakhan jor, Chupai neh jor,

Jor na mangan dayn na jor

Jor na jeevan maran neh jor

Jor na raaj maal man sor

Jor na surtee giaan vechaar

Jor na jugatee chutai sansaar

Jis hath jor kar vekhai so-i

Nanak utam neech na ko-i

No power to speak, no power to keep silent.

No power to beg, no power to give.

No power to live, no power to die.

No power to rule, with wealth and occult mental powers.

No power to gain intuitive understanding, to contemplate spiritual wisdom.

No power to find the way to escape from the world.

He alone has the Power in his hands, he watches over all.

O Nanak, no one is high or low.

[lsingh]

What we should be asking is where did all the Sants and Babas, Jathedhars go. Why do they not help the Sikhs? Don't they do the Ardaas?

[Cisco_Singh]

What we should be asking is where did all the Sants and Babas, Jathedhars go. Why do they not help the Sikhs? Don't they do the Ardaas?

Nope... The babas, jathedars etc didnt take part in any such ardaas. I don't recall them saying either the Singh's get released or I will go to my death ultimatum.

Either way I agree with Neos post, your time of leaving the earth is decided by Waheguru it wasn't his time. But it has caused a loss if credibility amongst the masses for the second time Gurbaksh Singh has quit his hunger strike with no measurable affect on the Singh's getting released any sooner.

Yes it has highlighted the issue if Sikh political prisoners but the second morcha has had less effect than the first due to media blackouts momentum was reduced.

One thing is clear, hunger strikes are not an effective or sustainable strategy. First free our own institutions from corruption and infiltration by anti panthic individuals.

What has been revealed is Badal, SGPC, Akal Talht jathedar are the tip of the iceberg. The majority of so called Sikhi sampradas and jathebandis are equally corrupt sant samaj etc. They like to argue about unimportant issues like Calender's but remain silent on the real issues. Theyre all on GOI pay roll..

[InderjitS]

When we perform Ardas how many of us have 'always' fulfilled our side of the bargain? All I have to say is, it is better to try and fail rather than not try at all.

ਭੁਲਣ ਅੰਦਰਿ ਸਭੁ ਕੋ ਅਭੁਲੁ ਗੁਰੂ ਕਰਤਾਰੁ ॥

Everyone makes mistakes; only the Guru and the Creator are infallible.

[Cisco_Singh]

When we perform Ardas how many of us have 'always' fulfilled our side of the bargain? All I have to say is, it is better to try and fail rather than not try at all.

ਭੁਲਣ ਅੰਦਰਿ ਸਭੁ ਕੋ ਅਭੁਲੁ ਗੁਰੂ ਕਰਤਾਰੁ ॥

Everyone makes mistakes; only the Guru and the Creator are infallible.

Depends on how big the side the bargain you make is. Sikhi has high standards when you make ardaas to become shaheed then pull out, not once but twice in this case.

[InderjitS]

Yes it has highlighted the issue if Sikh political prisoners but the second morcha has had less effect than the first due to media blackouts momentum was reduced.

Second time round they were not in Punjab and Sangat making way from Punjab was being hassled from the outset. Still, kirpa of Guru Sahib rallied support though out the world.

Depends on how big the side the bargain you make is. Sikhi has high standards when you make ardaas to become shaheed then pull out, not once but twice in this case.

Of course I agree it does not look great, BUT all said and done, only Guru Sahib can judge what is in their hirda, how true they are to the cause and what made them go back on what they outlined at the start of the morcha, we are merely external observers and internet warriors.

[garch]

Cisco bas kar

[hsingh8963]

Does anyone know hat was said to Bhai Sahib in hospital that made him change his mind? I think he was forced/blackmailed to stop as India knew if he died it would kick off. This way they have neutralised the threat.

We shouldn't attack Bhai Sahib, most of us including me couldn't last 6 days without food let alone 60.

Sangat made a global Benti.

[kharkusingh1996]

Everyone should read this

A visit to Bhai Gurbaksh Singh: http://panjabitoday.com/news/2015/january/12/17217

[hsingh8963]

MY MEETING WITH BHAI JAGTAR SINGH TARA (hours before his extradition)
By: Moninder Singh

Very recently, I took the opportunity to go and see Bhai Jagtar Singh Tara after his arrest. To me, this was a major figure in the last 20 years and somebody I would likely never meet again, so I booked a ticket and went to Bangkok, Thailand as quickly as I could. What I am sharing with you is only a glimpse of my personal interaction.

I arrived in Bangkok, Thailand on Friday morning January 16, 2015 at 10:40am and had retrieved my bags and was walking out of airport by 11:15am. I grabbed a taxi and went straight to a hotel I had booked near Bangkok Remand Prison to drop my bags off (was in the hotel for a maximum of 5 minutes) and then was back in taxi and arrived at Bangkok Remand prison at 12:45pm. Visits at the prison are in 20 minute blocks (that is the maximum you can meet for). My paperwork was completed and I was told I could meet Bhai Jagtar Singh Tara in room #9 from 2:30-2:50pm, which is the last meeting block of the day.

I went into room #9 at 230pm and nobody came. A few minutes later 4 officers were discussing something outside the room and I asked them if there was a problem and one of them said I can't see him and should leave. I tried to be friendly and ask that I be allowed to see him since my paperwork was in order but they were not listening. I am very thankful that I didn't give in to the voice that was trying to remind me that I was in a country under a Military coup and that I should drop the issue and walk away. I then raised my voice so others could here me stating I was a Canadian citizen that had arrived after 18 hours in transit and came straight here after confirming with the jail authorities that I would be allowed to see him. More officers came out and after 15-20 minutes of banter they told me to sit in visiting area and wait. At 3:10pm they told me to once again go to room #9 and I went in and sat down and almost immediately Bhai Jagtar Singh was slowly coming down the hall. He was wrapped in chains around his legs and hands and both were tied together so he had to shuffle his feet to move.

My first eye contact with him brought a deep sadness within me at the state of where our jujharus are but on his face was a glowing smile. He struggled quite obviously to walk but that smile never left his face. Very quickly I had a change of heart. Our jujharus are in chardi kala even in these instances and its often people like me on the other side of the bars that need a reality check. I have never questioned why after 20 years of the Sikh militancy slowing down individuals like this still exist amongst us and the reason I have never questioned is quite simple:

ਮੋ ਹਰ ਤੁਰਕ ਕੀ ਸਿਰ ਧਰੇ ਲੋਹ ਲਗਾਵੈ ਚਰਨ
One who bows his head to an enemy and surrenders his sword at his feet

ਕਹੈ ਗੋਬਿੰਦ ਸਿੰਘ ਸੁਣੋ ਲਾਲ ਜੀ ਫਿਰ ਫਿਰ ਹੋਏੇ ਤਸਿ ਮਰਨ ॥
Gobind Singh says, “Listen Lal Jee, the souls of these individuals will not find peace"

I asked, almost naively, how he felt at going back to India under the police and at this he actually laughed and said "jo 95 vich saade naal keetha...otho hunn jaada kee kar lain ge? Koyee mere vich darr naee...haa Sikh Sangat noo jaroor kaina ke saade vaaste...samooh jujharu veera vaaste...naale samooh sikh shaheeda vaaste ardasa karn...ehde naal jo vee hove ga ohnoo guru da hukam mann ke age vadhoo ga." (What they did to me in 1995...what more can they do to me now? I have no fear within me...but do ask the Sikh nation to do Ardas for me...for all jujharus still fighting...and for all those who are already shaheeds...with your prayers I will be able to accept whatever is to come as the will of the Guru and move forward.)

ਮਨ ਰੇ ਸਚੁ ਮਿਲੈ ਭਉ ਜਾਇ ॥
Fear departs by attaining Truth

I asked him what he thought of the current struggle and how he felt it could be moved forward. He smilingly said "Ik legal kam karn vala insaan oh kam kare, ik human rights vich kam karn vala insaan oh kam kare, ik dharm parchar karn vaala insaan oh kam kare...te Bhai sahib...ik kharku noo apna kam karn do. Saariya da ik maksat hove ta apne apne raa...par saare raa iko manzil val vadhan. Ik dujhe dee latha naa kicho ke saare Panthic soch rakhan vaale iko kam karn. Harek maidhaan vich saanu eh soch dee lorr hai." (Somebody who works within the legal field should support the panth in that field. Somebody who works within the human rights field should support the panth in that field. Somebody who does religious sermons and instruction should support the panth in that field...and brother...let a revolutionary militant do their job as well. All of them will have separate paths but they will ultimately end at the same destination. Don't pull each other back by thinking that everyone with a panthic soch needs to be doing the exact same thing. We need revolutionary zeal and thought in every battle field.)

ਸਿਖ ਹੋਏੇ ਬਿਨ ਲੋਹ ਜੋ ਫਿਰੈ
Being a Sikh if one goes around without being armed,

ਆਵਤ ਜਾਵਤ ਜਨਮੇਮਰੇ ॥
Their soul will never find peace.

I left the meeting at 340pm and watched him shuffle away in chains until he went around the corner and sadly (these are the only words that come to me) he never took his eyes off me as he moved away...smiling understandingly and strengthening my position as he did. Standing in a Thai prison with my hands folded together with armed guards around us both it made my resolve for Khalistan even stronger. It made me realize the narrative of "by any means necessary" which I have been pushing in lectures and seminars is correct because I'm only talking it but these Singhs are walking it. By all reports he was removed for extradition by 4:45pm and I was the last one to see him and I am thankful for the opportunity. It is meetings with individuals like this that one will carry with them forever. Watching first hand the defiance of an individual wrapped in chains and smiling while knowing the fate that awaits them is deeply saddening for me as well as immensely empowering and inspirational. Looking into the eyes of an individual and trying to understand what their hopes and dreams at a young age must have been is a difficult task, but we must make them human. If they are human then they are like us...they have dreams like us...they long for their loved ones like us...they cry for the ones they have lost like us.

This limitation of "jhabar da mukabla sabar naal" (we will challenge oppression with patience) is becoming overbearing. When it comes to Guru Granth and Guru Panth its patience, but if someone walked into our home and grabbed a loved one by the hair and began dragging them away would it be patience then? It sounds very emotional, but it's a valid question. In the last 5 years we have seen multiple Sikhs shot in the streets of Punjab and burned alive as political prisoners in jail but we keep patience? Gurdwaras and Guru Granth Sahib saroops being burned and disrespected and we keep patience? When Sikhs protest the against Deras in Punjab they are shot and then the shooters are provided Police protection and we still keep patience? Until when is this "sabar" going to continue to make us complacent, ineffective and force us to stand at the doors of our oppressors demanding "Justice" by mostly useless means?

Whoever says the fight is with the pen today should be shut up. This is a fight for the existence of a nation of people and their way of life. In a personal fight I would use a rock, a stick, my f'n shoelace to strangle someone if I'm in danger and Guru Granth and Guru Panth deserve even more. If I'm writing with a pen or stabbing an oppressor in the neck with it its my right that Guru Gobind Singh gave me when I'm left with no options. I'm not running into the streets to do it, but I'm not going to stand idle and watch a kaum of spiritual warriors become passive gandhists that work within the framework of western society over the soch and instruction of their Guru. Who are begging at the doors of imperialists and colonialists who won't throw them a scrap...and why would you want that scrap anyway? At what price would it come? If you can't imagine Guru Gobind Singh standing in Delhi knocking on Aurangzebs door with a report on human rights violations in his hand and a sign around his neck that says "Sikhs demand justice" then maybe we need to re-look at why we have chosen this approach. I'm more than sure it's because of our personal weakness to actually commit to sangarsh and its harsh realities and how that would affect our day to day maya infused lifestyles.

With Bhai Jagtar Singh Tara we are talking about a Sikh who played his role in the assassination of an individual responsible for a bounty system on the heads of Sikh youth which resulted in the extra-judicial murder of 10s of thousands of Sikhs across Punjab. We are talking about a Sikh who along with Bhai Jagtar Singh Hawara tunnelled out of a maximum security prison to continue the sangarsh the Sikh Panth committed to in 1986 in the form of Khalistan. We are talking about a Sikh who immediately took up the armed struggle again when he escaped and for the better part of a decade has been trying to engage the Indian state. We are talking about a modern day hero for the Sikh nation who does not need our sympathy, but rather needs us to reflect on the soch of the Gurus and puraatan Sikhs and ensure our approach to this movement is not diluted based on our own fears of what sangarsh will cost us.

ਸਤਿਗੁਰ ਕੀ ਸੇਵਾ ਗਾਖੜੀ ਸਿਰੁ ਦੀਜੈ ਆਪੁ ਗਵਾਇ ॥
ਸਬਦਿ ਮਰਹਿ ਫਿਰਿ ਨਾ ਮਰਹਿ ਤਾ ਸੇਵਾ ਪਵੈ ਸਭ ਥਾਇ ॥
It is very difficult to serve (to follow the Guru’s Word) the True Guru; one has to offer their head, and eradicate self-conceit.
One who dies in the Shabad (realization of truth or sach), they never have to die again as their service is totally approved.

KHALISTAN ZINDABAD

I would also like to make some additional comments on my shirt trip to Thailand. Many people are questioning what transpired in Thailand with those on the ground. I would personally like to say that Sikhs For Justice played an extremely commendable role in defending Bhai Jagtar Singh Tara. They entered a battlefield that most Sikhs these days stay far away from. They worked as quickly as they could and came up against huge odds which were impossible to overcome. They could not have done anything more in this situation. Sikhs from the UK were also on hand supporting the process and it is very appreciated what this entire team did for the Panth and Bhai Jagtar Singh Tara. I have been asked by multiple people as to what transpired on the ground and I have mentioned many times that I was not involved at all in the work done by all these Singhs. I commend them for the excellent effort, time and energy they gave right to the end, but representatives for Sikhs For Justice or other Singhs on the ground who watched everything unravel can answer questions around legal process much better than me.

My writing this piece was more for how I felt in this 20-30 minute meeting with Bhai Jagtar Singh Tara and how my resolve for Khalistan had strengthened from it.