Punjabi Language

[Jonny101 4,302]

So y did people from there also say Ambarsar? Ambarsar is different form of pronunciation. It's not a slander word, how some people are making out. Ambarsar means Pool of Ambrosia. It was also called Ramdaspur.

I think you are confusing colloquial conversational language with proper literary language. No doubt many Pendu Amritsaris themselves incorrectly call Amritsar as Ambarsar. But Amritsar is a Gurmukhi word which was uttered by the Gurus themselves. How can we change something that the Gurus had uttered from their mouths? The Gurus were also from Lahore/Amritsar areas. They could have also called it Ambarsar but they didn't. They called it Amritsar. So we should pronounce it as our Guru Jees had wanted it instead of how village folk from Amritsar pronounce it today.

For a Sikh, Gurmukhi Punjabi should take precedence over regular Punjabi

[simran345 2,501]

I think you are confusing colloquial conversational language with proper literary language. No doubt many Pendu Amritsaris themselves incorrectly call Amritsar as Ambarsar. But Amritsar is a Gurmukhi word which was uttered by the Gurus themselves. How can we change something that the Gurus had uttered from their mouths? The Gurus were also from Lahore/Amritsar areas. They could have also called it Ambarsar but they didn't. They called it Amritsar. So we should pronounce it as our Guru Jees had wanted it instead of how village folk from Amritsar pronounce it today.

Thanku paji Jonny101 I didn't know that as don't have knowledge of Gurbani. As never seen it anywhere in Gurbani, could u please give an example.

[JSinghnz 1,086]

I think you are confusing colloquial conversational language with proper literary language. No doubt many Pendu Amritsaris themselves incorrectly call Amritsar as Ambarsar. But Amritsar is a Gurmukhi word which was uttered by the Gurus themselves. How can we change something that the Gurus had uttered from their mouths? The Gurus were also from Lahore/Amritsar areas. They could have also called it Ambarsar but they didn't. They called it Amritsar. So we should pronounce it as our Guru Jees had wanted it instead of how village folk from Amritsar pronounce it today.

For a Sikh, Gurmukhi Punjabi should take precedence over regular Punjabi

Brother this would be too difficult for some Punjabis to digest.

[simran345 2,501]

It's ok paji I know now, Amritsar sifti da ghar , gurbani Vichy aunda a. Okji from now I will try to say Amritsar. See some can digest it JSinghz paji ..

[JagsawSingh 860]

I don't know why.....I mean there must be a reason......but I just don't know why some of you are covering your eyes and ears and pretending that you just haven't seen or heard how Sant Jarnail Singh Bhindranwale, in his speeches, also used to call Amritsar 'Ambarsar'.

You see and read that and yet you still continue to label all those that do as 'illiterate backward pendus' and non-sikhs. :wow:

[JSinghnz 1,086]

It's ok paji I know now, Amritsar sifti da ghar , gurbani Vichy aunda a. Okji from now I will try to say Amritsar. See some can digest it JSinghz paji ..

Thanks for digesting Simran and wished others could be like you too.

[simran345 2,501]

It's ok paji JSinghz but I will not call those that say ambarsar as illiterate or backwards.

[JSinghnz 1,086]

I don't know why.....I mean there must be a reason......but I just don't know why some of you are covering your eyes and ears and pretending that you just haven't seen or heard how Sant Jarnail Singh Bhindranwale, in his speeches, also used to call Amritsar 'Ambarsar'.

You see and read that and yet you still continue to label all those that do as 'illiterate backward pendus' and non-sikhs. :wow:

Can you read or you just have to say something for the sake of it. For your understanding again we are talking about our Gurus who gave the name Amritsar and not about any Sant or Babas.

[JSinghnz 1,086]

It's ok paji JSinghz but I will not call those that say ambarsar as illiterate or backwards.

It was to prove a point when someone here said every Punjabi calls Amritsar Ambarsar. Was just letting them have a taste of their own medecine when they think they are know alls.

[gurdssingh 113]

So I have noticed some members come down hard on any post referring to caste. What astounds me is one of those contributors who has commented on this very discussion has not once told the poster who refers to bhatra 's to refrain from his castiest remarks. Jsinghnz, why you have double standards? When bhatra is mentioned in other posts you never seem to mind but jatt is mentioned and well pher tha allergic reaction! Check all the casteist post by jroudh, not one mention!

Also jroudh how many times are you going to keep contradicting yourself? When someone asks an uncomfortable question about bhatreh you go all defensive. I have many questions I want ask you but like other post you will laugh them off, here's a thing go ask your parents, uncles, or other elders before you answer.

[Jonny101 4,302]

I don't know why.....I mean there must be a reason......but I just don't know why some of you are covering your eyes and ears and pretending that you just haven't seen or heard how Sant Jarnail Singh Bhindranwale, in his speeches, also used to call Amritsar 'Ambarsar'.

You see and read that and yet you still continue to label all those that do as 'illiterate backward pendus' and non-sikhs. :wow:

I don't know about others but when I say Pendu I don't mean it in a disrespectful way. In the Pends is where our culture and sabhyachaar is. It is where purest Punjabi is spoken. And Pendu Punjabi of Amritsar is the standard Punjabi accent. But Pendu Punjabi is not same as Gurmukhi Punjabi. Where ever a Gurmukhi word is one way and Pendu Punjabi is one way, we should always chose to pronounce it in the proper Gurmukhi way because that is how our Gurus pronounced it. Furthermore, Punjabi changes over the years. Just read Punjabi as written by Bhai Sahib Bhai Vir Singh Jee in his books who was also a native Amritsari and father of modern Punjabi literature. Just see the difference between his language and today's Punjabi. So many words are not even used today and many words are differently pronounced. Evolution of language.

Today's boli is not necessarily the same boli spoken during Guru Jee's period.

[gurdssingh 113]

I don't know about others but when I say Pendu I don't mean it in a disrespectful way. In the Pends is where our culture and sabhyachaar is. It is where purest Punjabi is spoken. And Pendu Punjabi of Amritsar is the standard Punjabi accent. But Pendu Punjabi is not same as Gurmukhi Punjabi. Where ever a Gurmukhi word is one way and Pendu Punjabi is one way, we should always chose to pronounce it in the proper Gurmukhi way because that is how our Gurus pronounced it. Furthermore, Punjabi changes over the years. Just read Punjabi as written by Bhai Sahib Bhai Vir Singh Jee in his books who was also a native Amritsari and father of modern Punjabi literature. Just see the difference between his language and today's Punjabi. So many words are not even used today and many words are differently pronounced. Evolution of language

Brother just give reference to one person today who in day to day speaks the same punjabi as our great Guru sahibs did. Answer is none, natural evolution from the same period no one speaks the same English, not even the queen of England! Btw no such thing as vocal Gurmukhi punjabi, that is literal.

[JSinghnz 1,086]

So I have noticed some members come down hard on any post referring to caste. What astounds me is one of those contributors who has commented on this very discussion has not once told the poster who refers to bhatra 's to refrain from his castiest remarks. Jsinghnz, why you have double standards? When bhatra is mentioned in other posts you never seem to mind but jatt is mentioned and well pher tha allergic reaction! Check all the casteist post by jroudh, not one mention!

Also jroudh how many times are you going to keep contradicting yourself? When someone asks an uncomfortable question about bhatreh you go all defensive. I have many questions I want ask you but like other post you will laugh them off, here's a thing go ask your parents, uncles, or other elders before you answer.

Go back to school and take reading classes. After that go and read what I had written in that rotten bhatra post. And why do you have bring caste in every thread. When you will learn reading from school you will perhaps understand that Punjabi language is being discussed here.

[gurdssingh 113]

Go back to school and take reading classes. After that go and read what I had written in that rotten bhatra post. And why do you have bring caste in every thread. When you will learn reading from school you will perhaps understand that Punjabi language is being discussed here.

I graduated with masters over 10 years ago -check my linkedin ? Re read the thread where is your anti caste post? All other threads you do post your anti caste message, but where is in this one? BTW are you still a student? Or are you a father of two school age kids?

[gurdssingh 113]

Go back to school and take reading classes. After that go and read what I had written in that rotten bhatra post. And why do you have bring caste in every thread. When you will learn reading from school you will perhaps understand that Punjabi language is being discussed here.

C

Please do an analysis of my posts and the threads where caste is mentioned. Sorry you fail again I very rarely talk about caste, I am not married to a same as my Baradri are you? U have kids right?