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Since gay marriage is legal in the U.S.A. since yesterday, I was thinking, if Sikh Gurdwaras around the world and in India were told they had to preform Anand Karaj for gay couples or face Stiff fines, how would that make you feel?

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Since gay marriage is legal in the U.S.A. since yesterday, I was thinking, if Sikh Gurdwaras around the world and in India were told they had to preform Anand Karaj for gay couples or face Stiff fines, how would that make you feel?

This happened in the UK a while ago, i don't think i have come across a single case where a gay couple have wanted to marry(have the Anand Karaj ceremony) in a Gurdwara, when it happened the media did what they usually do and sprinkle loads of masala on what is a sensitive subject in religious circles, it would be interesting to see what happen if a couple did decide to go down that route (let's face it, it's inevitable) and how the legal system in said country would handle it of the religious organisation had an objection. I have a simple rule, live and let live but if the religion you practise has beliefs that go against your lifestyle then you'd be ill advised to want to have a religious marriage ceremony just for the sake of proving a point.

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Since gay marriage is legal in the U.S.A. since yesterday, I was thinking, if Sikh Gurdwaras around the world and in India were told they had to preform Anand Karaj for gay couples or face Stiff fines, how would that make you feel?

Does this law allows illegal residents & foreigners to marry gay US citizens ?

Can they secure a long term visa based on marriage ?

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Firstly, gay marriage being permissible isn't the same thing as gay marriage being compulsory. Such a step would hardly be in keeping with the American constitution.

Although I myself am strongly in favour the implementation of an Anand Karaj for homosexuals, the Sikh Panth is a democracy and my opinion doesn't rule.Even I accept that the Panth has to give its consent if something of this kind is to be allowed.

All believing Sikhs should have a say in matters of their religion. A secular government however, should have exactly no say here. Sikhi is not their jurisdiction. For them to force Gurdware to perform gay weddings would be a profound insult.

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Since gay marriage is legal in the U.S.A. since yesterday, I was thinking, if Sikh Gurdwaras around the world and in India were told they had to preform Anand Karaj for gay couples or face Stiff fines, how would that make you feel?

I highly doubt that, because the courts make exceptions on religion because if they didn't make those exceptions the nation would collapse. To 56% of Americans their religion is VERY IMPORTANT, http://www.gallup.com/poll/1690/religion.aspx so if the court doesn't make religious accommodations for religious places, half-of-the-country would be rebels.

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You can expect a lot of desis taking advantage of this by marrying people from back home only to divorce them once they are legal.

I don't think American law makers are stupid.

They will not open floodgates.

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What would a Sikh, bhagat of Sri Vaheguru even achieve with a Gay marriage? It's connected to moh and kaam really, so it makes me think how a gay marriage will benefit someone in a dharmic sense.. I'm fine with gay marriage outside of our religion (because they aren't doing that for Sri Vaheguru), but inside our religion it seems odd because our goal is to get rid of moh and kaam, and by making those rishtas to begin with won't really help the guy/girl, but will distract them from doing bhagti.. If I came off rude I apologize.

Could the same not also be said for heterosexual marriages?

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Could the same not also be said for heterosexual marriages?

What your implying is Guru Sahib (a straight) married because of Kaam?

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The goal of heterosexual marriages in Sikhi is to have an offspring and to have a paka sahayat/partner who will not leave you, and the goal is not necessarily to enjoy sexual kaam.. If you have an offspring you can teach them dharm, and they will teach dharm to those who ask them as well which leads to giving other kalyan. If you are homosexual in Sikhi, you can have a homosexual partner if you'd like, just not marry because the main goal is to have an offspring in marriage.

**I feel like I am being rude, but I really am not trying to come off rude.

The goal of marriage in Sikhism is to have a partner in your journey to vaheguru. How do same sex marriages not have this?
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Did you forget some of my post lol? Because the goal is to have offspring (so they can teach dharm too), and you van only have offspring in a married rishta. Needing a partner for this journey is a bad excuse, considering we have sadhsangat already.

Well you can physically have children outside of marriage.

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Those kids are najaias though, which is paap. Now, mind you I'm not talking about adoption. I'm talking about you (for example) being the father of a kid, and not married to the kids mother. That's paapi.

Who have you been talking to? I'll have you know that child is loved! I've named him Jagdeep Snow.

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Although I myself am strongly in favour the implementation of an Anand Karaj for homosexuals, the Sikh Panth is a democracy and my opinion doesn't rule.Even I accept that the Panth has to give its consent if something of this kind is to be allowed.

Anand Karaj for homosexuals?

The maryada for anand karaj was set by the gurus, have u heard of a transsexual anand karaj or a homosexual anand karaj from the gurus time?

Of course not, because it never happened.

Was there no transsexuals or homosexuals around then???

Sikhs voting for or ever advocating homosexual anand karaj is paramount to contempt of the gurus blessed anand karaj ceremony.

I am not against homosexuals being accepted by the sikh panth, in fact the opposite. its the first ive heard anybody pro homosexual anand karaj - its a completely thoughtless and dangerous idea!

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The goal of marriage in Sikhism is to have a partner in your journey to vaheguru. How do same sex marriages not have this?

gurmat being accepting of homosexuals isnt the same thing as promoting a sexual union between two folks of the same sex as being beneficial on the path to mukti?

Guru sahib has only ever been known to have blessed a union (gristi&sexual) between man and woman as being parvaan on the journey to mukti. Thats the example we have to follow.

A homosexual should be open about there sexuality and if they are to have a relationship with another person of the same sex and they are to walk the path to Waheguru then it must be non-sexual - and can not be considered marriage.

Addressing the OP, if sikhs were ever forced to second guess the example shown by the gurus and alter the anand karaj... they should protest.. if this doesn't work they should take whatever steps are neccessary to fight the oppression.

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What your implying is Guru Sahib (a straight) married because of Kaam?

No, I was turning Preet's logic against her.

I don't believe the same is to be said for heterosexual marriages. I don't believe it is even to be said for homosexual ones.

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