Is Gurbani Equal To Other Religious Texts

[Akalifauj]

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[simran345]

Why is Gurbani different from other religious texts:

1. Gurbani came from Vaheguru and has no duality.

ਧੁਰ ਕੀ ਬਾਣੀ ਆਈ ॥ [/size]ਤਿਨਿ ਸਗਲੀ ਚਿੰਤ ਮਿਟਾਈ ॥ ang 628[/size]

This Bani (Gurbani) came from Vaheguru, himself. And this Bani (Gurbani) is the one, which will eliminate all your anxieties. Biggest anxiety a person has is the separation from Vaheguru. So Gurbani will eliminate this biggest one, including all the smaller worldly anxieties.

2. What happens to those who turn away from the Guru?

ਜੇ ਕੋ ਗੁਰ ਤੇ ਵੇਮੁਖੁ ਹੋਵੈ ਬਿਨੁ ਸਤਿਗੁਰ ਮੁਕਤਿ ਨ ਪਾਵੈ ॥[/size]

Guru Sahib is saying, those who have turned away from the Guru, understand this; you will not receive liberation. [/size]

ਪਾਵੈ ਮੁਕਤਿ ਨ ਹੋਰ ਥੈ ਕੋਈ ਪੁਛਹੁ ਬਿਬੇਕੀਆ ਜਾਏ ॥ [/size]

Here Guru Sahib is saying, from no one else or path will you find liberation. Ask the one's who contemplates over Gurbani about why you will not find liberation anywhere else.

ਅਨੇਕ ਜੂਨੀ ਭਰਮਿ ਆਵੈ ਵਿਣੁ ਸਤਿਗੁਰ ਮੁਕਤਿ ਨ ਪਾਏ ॥[/size]

You will go through countless births because Satguru (Gurbani) did not bless you with liberation, because in the starting of the pauri as Gurbani says you had turned yourself away from the Guru.

ਫਿਰਿ ਮੁਕਤਿ ਪਾਏ ਲਾਗਿ ਚਰਣੀ ਸਤਿਗੁਰੂ ਸਬਦੁ ਸੁਣਾਏ ॥[/size]

Here Guru Sahib tells us how to receive liberation. Attach yourself to the Guru's feet by listening, applying, and practicing the Guru's Bani.

ਕਹੈ ਨਾਨਕੁ ਵੀਚਾਰਿ ਦੇਖਹੁ ਵਿਣੁ ਸਤਿਗੁਰ ਮੁਕਤਿ ਨ ਪਾਏ ॥੨੨॥[/size]

Satguru Nanak Dev ji ends this pauri by saying, whoever reads this Bani, contemplate over what Satguru Amardas Ji as written here and understand, without Gurbani, liberation cannot be received.

3. How do I know Gurbani is the Guru?

ਸਤਿਗੁਰ ਕੀ ਬਾਣੀ ਸਤਿ ਸਰੂਪੁ ਹੈ ਗੁਰਬਾਣੀ ਬਣੀਐ ॥[/size]

Satguru's Bani is the true form. (True form of Akal Purakh and the truth to which we live by). Then Gurbani says, become this Gurbani by listening, understanding, and practicing this true form.

Now let's look at what Gurbani says about other religious texts.

ਬੇਦ ਕਤੇਬ ਕਹਹੁ ਮਤ ਝੂਠੇ ਝੂਠਾ ਜੋ ਨ ਬਿਚਾਰੈ ॥[/size]

The background to this shabad is, Hindus and Muslims came to Bhagat Kabir ji and both sides were calling each others religious scriptures false. They came to Bhagat ji to ask, which side is right. Bhagat Kabir ji answers there question in this Shabad. Bhagat Kabir ji says, don't call the vedas false or the Koran false. Look into each other religious texts and see what they are saying. The Muslims say, Allah is the only one and there is no other. Vedas say, there is one Brahman and no other. Since both sides have not contemplated over each other religious text, you are false. Yet these Hindus and Muslim, still don't understand and Bhagat Kabir ji goes further. They still want to argue about Allah is great or Brahman is greater than the other.

ਜਉ ਸਭ ਮਹਿ ਏਕੁ ਖੁਦਾਇ ਕਹਤ ਹਉ ਤਉ ਕਿਉ ਮੁਰਗੀ ਮਾਰੈ ॥੧॥[/size]

This is where Bhagat Kabir ji says, there is the one God in everyone, so why do keep killing chickens? If you had recognized there is the one God in the chicken you would not kill it. Bhagat Kabir ji is saying you are stuck in rituals like Halal. Go back to the original teaching of the Koran, which says Allah is the only one and there is no other. This shows Vedas and Koran have duality in it.

Now let's go back to Sri Anand Sahib.

ਸਿਮ੍ਰਿਤਿ ਸਾਸਤ੍ਰ ਪੁੰਨ ਪਾਪ ਬੀਚਾਰਦੇ ਤਤੈ ਸਾਰ ਨ ਜਾਣੀ ॥[/size]

The simitris and sastra only contemplate over good and bad, but they don't know the true reality of Vaheguru.

ਤਤੈ ਸਾਰ ਨ ਜਾਣੀ ਗੁਰੂ ਬਾਝਹੁ ਤਤੈ ਸਾਰ ਨ ਜਾਣੀ ॥[/size]

The true reality of Vaheguru is not know without the Guru; the simitris and sastras don't know the true reality of Vaheguru.

Again Guru Sahib is telling us how other religious texts have duality in them. Only the Guru's Bani is above duality because it came directly from Akal Purakh. The difference between Gurbani and other religious texts is very clear. And please don't quote back to be tuks of Gurbani, where Guru Sahib says, he sees only the Naam in the vedas. Please don't be the Muslims and Hindus Bhagat Kabir ji diagnosed in his shabad. I am well aware of those shabads and have contemplated over them and listened to Satguru's Gursikh katha on it. In short, Guru Sahib is saying, through Gurbani teachings, a person can find the Naam in everything in this creation.

ਵੇਦਾ ਮਹਿ ਨਾਮੁ ਉਤਮੁ ਸੋ ਸੁਣਹਿ ਨਾਹੀ ਫਿਰਹਿ ਜਿਉ ਬੇਤਾਲਿਆ ॥[/size]

In the vedas the Naam is the highest, yet they don't hear the Naam and they wander around like demons.

A pandit had questioned Gursikhs. If the Naam is the highest in the vedas, what was the need for Gurbani? Gursikhs answered this pandit by doing the correct interpretation. The path of Naam is only achieved (heard) in the Guru's sangat. Very clearly the Guru says right after, these people don't hear the Naam is the highest path. Also in the following pauris the Guru makes it clear, without the Guru liberation is not received.

ਡਗਰੀ ਚਾਲ ਨੇਤ੍ਰ ਫੁਨਿ ਅੰਧੁਲੇ ਸਬਦ ਸੁਰਤਿ ਨਹੀ ਭਾਈ ॥[/size]

You are wandering around unsteady and you are blinded by maya because you have not focused on Gurbani.

ਸਾਸਤ੍ਰ ਬੇਦ ਤ੍ਰੈ ਗੁਣ ਹੈ ਮਾਇਆ ਅੰਧੁਲਉ ਧੰਧੁ ਕਮਾਈ ॥੩॥ ang 1126[/size]

The Sastra and Vedas keep you attached to the three qualites and blinded by maya, this is all you have completed.

ਚਾਰੇ ਬੇਦ ਕਥਹਿ ਆਕਾਰੁ ॥[/size]

The four Vedas only speak of the visible forms.

ਤੀਨਿ ਅਵਸਥਾ ਕਹਹਿ ਵਖਿਆਨੁ ॥[/size]

The four Vedas only describe the three states (the three qualities).

ਤੁਰੀਆਵਸਥਾ ਸਤਿਗੁਰ ਤੇ ਹਰਿ ਜਾਨੁ ॥੧॥ ang 154[/size]

The fourth state (liberation) is only known to Satguru (Gurbani).

Good post ji

[KhoonKaBadlaKhoon]

I don't think Gurbani is really like other religious texts, it focuses a lot more upon spirtuality than other texts, do correct me if I'm wrong.

[SikhKosh]

We fail because we place man-mat (own thinking) over gur-mat (the Gurus way).

Had the previous scriptures been uncorrupted there would have been no need for the Gurus to be sent to reveal Sikhi. Simple as that. Some bits in other religions might be in accordance to Sikhi but overall none comes anywhere near Gurbani.

[Akalifauj]

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[simran345]

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All the argument of which religion is best?

Gurbani tell us here that it is not what "religion" it is the action:

Of all religions, the best religion

is to chant the Name of the Lord and maintain pure conduct.

Of all religious rituals, the most sublime ritual

is to erase the filth of the dirty mind in the Company of the Holy.

Of all efforts, the best effort

is to chant the Name of the Lord in the heart, forever.

Of all speech, the most ambrosial speech

is to hear the Lord's Praise and chant it with the tongue.

Of all places, the most sublime place,

O Nanak, is that heart in which the Name of the Lord abides. ||8||3||

[Kira]

In what way were they corrupted? Also please show us were any of the prophets or messengers of God were said to be the True Guru?

Guru Gobind Singh Ji talks about it all in Batchar Natak. He mentions how God made Muhammed master of arabia but he wasn't able to instill the name of god in people. He let his pride get in the way. He mentions how he created the gods and how the trinity in hinduism proclaimed themselves god and omnipotent. How Brahma started calling himself Parah-Brahm and so on.

He talks about how it was then Waheguru called him over and asked him to come to earth to put people on the right path.

The scriptures have small aspects which are true, how much is debatable. But the pride of those who wrote them got in the way of actually creating something akin to Gurbani. That's why many Bhagats after reading them were able to see which parts were aligned with god and which were not. Even though they didn't consider themselves Sikhs they were one with god through other means.

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[Kira]

Can you tell me what religion or path bhagat kabir ji took, to become one with Vaheguru?

He was born a Muslim I believe. He did Nimaaz etc as well, but the more he read his scriptures the more he realized where the flaws were. Eventually he considered himself neither a muslim or a hindu. This is apparent in many of his bani as well as his history. So if we're going to figurative then he took the path of god. That's why his bani was added to our Gurbani, even though the Japji sahib, Guru Granth Sahib were all written (physically by our Guru Sahib) much later.

This is as far as I know from History. Obviously if someone who knows more has something else to add, there free to correct me if I have made a mistake.

[harsharan000]

Can you tell me what religion or path bhagat kabir ji took, to become one with Vaheguru?

Dear Akalifauj,

Following are the words of Bhagat Kabir in Raag Aasaa, where we can see, Bhagat Kabeer Jee´s answer to your question:

ਰਾਮ ਨਾਮ ਲਗਿ ਉਤਰੇ ਤੀਰਾ

Raam Naam Lag Outharae Theeraa

राम नाम लगि उतरे तीरा

One is carried across to the other side, holding fast to the Lord's Name.

Raag Aasaa Bhagat Kabir

Just like the Bani says: Nanak Nam jahaz hae, jin chareea se utareeya paar, He too says, one is carried across to the other side by holding on His Naam.

You may very well know, everting was created from Naam, and all souls are like rays from that Naam. What to say of hindus or muslims souls, but it is the same with all the living creatures, or those bodiless ..... all souls have emerged from Him alone.

It is only when the souls take birth on earth with the gross bodies, it is only then, that they are classified in the different living stages or levels of consciousness, according to their past karmas.

If Wahiguru is one, the sole Creator, naturally the Path leading us towards Him, has to be one for the souls. He can not make distictions as we do, to His very own souls.

Wahiguru is the same in all, or is there any other god as their origin. Devis, devtas and gods ... are worshipped by different people, but even then, their origin is Wahiguru, not those gods, godesses ....

Wahiguru is the source of all lights, even of those very gods, worshipped by so many humans.

Different thing is, if Wahiguru wants to keep running the creation, so He keeps those souls aloof of His reality, that is why there are so many dharams, religions, and a huge list of diversity created by Maya where manmukhs are lost...

Everything is under His Hukum, not even a leaf of a tree can move without His Hukum

But in any case, if ever anyone can ever reach Wahiguru, it is only by His Nam Simran, no other way.

Religions here can be many, but the path leading to Him, is only one, and that is the Jahaaz of His Nam alone.

That is why the Bani has clearly said: Jug chaare Nam outam, Shabad beechar.

Throughout all the 4 ages, Nam is the only reality. Nam is not a word written or spoken, but a Supraconsciouss power, which has created the creation and as well as sustains it also. Different thing is that our soul disconeccts itself from the outer world, with the aid of repetition of Wahiguru for example, in order to experiment or realize that power, that Nam or Shabad within us. So it is the concentration , which transports our attention from the outer world to the inner reality.

That is why second Patshahee says: seeing without eyes, hearing without ears, walking without feet .... means, the bodiless soul by itself, can see the Jot of Wahuguru and hear His Anhad Shabad.

Physicall eyes and ears, can never hear or see truly Wahiguru, not even the mind, it is the soul which can alone do so.

The Bani says: Anter Jot, niranter Bani, Sachay Sahib siu liv laee.

Within us, is His Light and Shabad Dhun, to which when we listen and have the darshan within, then true permanent love and faith are generated in us for Him.

And to know about Him, believe in Him, think or meditate upon Him, can only be possible, if He has so wriiten on our foreheads, not otherwise, or let us say if He so wishes.

What others(from any religion) believe or do, has nothing to do with His hukum, because even the atheists, or any creature, are so by nature under His Hukum.

After all, it is by His Hukum that one merges his/her soul in Him, not by belonging to any particular religion, as we have seen above, Naam is the only reality, be it may any yuga, be it may any number of times the cycles of yugas...

Sat Sree Akal.