Islamization Of East Punjab

[SheikhYoBooty]

LOL at Jagsaw Khan the Pakistani mouthpiece on this forum accusing Jonny101 of being RSS.

SikhKosh, Jonny101, Khoon, Ranjeet01, Big Tera are pro-Sikh + didn't want innocent Sikhs killed by bombs.

Jagsaw Khan on the other hand is pro-Pakistan + could not care less about any innocent Sikhs the Pakistani's kill.

[Ranjeet01]

Some folk have this pre-partition fetish out of a Khushwant Singh novel or a Sunny Deol role in Gadar.

Even people that lived during these times look back in nostalga but realise that is no longer the reality.

[Jonny101]

The Gujjars of Punjab are part of the soil of Punjab and part of the natural history of Punjab. Never mind the fact that every village in Punjab also has a permanent settlement of gujjars on the outskirts of the village, the ones that come down seasonally from Kashmir have been doing so since ancient times. Since the beginning of Punjab, they have been coming down to the plains to sell their wares to the villagers.That, is part of the culture of Punjab. Lets face it, who apart from the gujjars still perform the stereotypical Punjabi sound of bakare balonh (bbbbbrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrah) ? The answer is no one for it is only the gujjars that still graze the goats en masse. I don't care that they're muslim and I don't care that have one foot in Punjab and one foot in Kashmir. As far as I'm concerned they are an integral and vital part of the social-history of rural Punjab. I will not join in with this right wing Hindu RSS type witchunt against them.

You are right, these Gujjars were an importan part of the social fabric of Punjab. But those were the indigenous Punjabi Gujjars who after partition migrated to Pakistan. These foreign J&K Gujjars were never part of the social fabric of Punjab. Many people like the Punjabi Rajputs and Arains who lived in large numbers in east Punjab are no more because they have all migrated to Pak Punjab. I'm not against Punjabi Muslims. Note how they Malekotla Muslims or the Ahmadi Muslims of Qadian didnt help the Dinanagar attackers. Only these foreign J&K Gujjars facilitated them in their attacks which had the potential to kill a lot of Punjabis.

I don't even know why someone buys milk from these J&K Gujjars. Very few people know this but these Gujjars spit in the milk they produce because it is their superstitious belief that by spitting in the milk they will save the milk from Nazer or evil eye. Next time you are in India, only buy milk from a Punjabi you know and trust.

[StarStriker]

You are right, these Gujjars were an importan part of the social fabric of Punjab. But those were the indigenous Punjabi Gujjars who after partition migrated to Pakistan. These foreign J&K Gujjars were never part of the social fabric of Punjab. Many people like the Punjabi Rajputs and Arains who lived in large numbers in east Punjab are no more because they have all migrated to Pak Punjab. I'm not against Punjabi Muslims. Note how they Malekotla Muslims or the Ahmadi Muslims of Qadian didnt help the Dinanagar attackers. Only these foreign J&K Gujjars facilitated them in their attacks which had the potential to kill a lot of Punjabis.

I don't even know why someone buys milk from these J&K Gujjars. Very few people know this but these Gujjars spit in the milk they produce because it is their superstitious belief that by spitting in the milk they will save the milk from Nazer or evil eye. Next time you are in India, only buy milk from a Punjabi you know and trust.

Johnny paa, r u 100% convinced that gurdaspur attack was defo a muslim attack, n not a false flag R.A.W initiated attack? I mean, if ur gona do a 'terror attack', y not attack the airport, some big panjab govt buildings, plant big arse bombs at harmandar sahib etc? I mean all they did was attack a crappy bus, crappy police station etc. Fair enuff they wanted to do a train over too, but this all happening whilst the badals r cackin their pants over bapu surat singhs wave of influence, so to take the attention away frm panjabis, they do all this, very timed it seems. Dont ever put it past the indian govt to do many more false flags, theyre learning frm hitler and the usa, who have/had perfected false flag ops. Btw this doesnt mean we r makin excuses on behalf of paks, coz thats the last fing im interested in doin.

Dont put it past india to attack pakistan, by staging false flag attacks, attributed to paks, jus like operation shanti. Operation shanti was an operation planned to start war against pakistan in nov 84, after india would spread news in india that the sikhs have joined pakistan in invadin india, and aerial bombardment of panjab wud initially happen! All this on guru nanak dev jis birthday too, which is y the 84' mobs who killed sikhs in delhi, were SO organised, as they were perparing for nationwide sikh killing anyways. Hence y beant/satwant killed the witch as soon as possible....on halloween no less.

[Ranjeet01]

Johnny paa, r u 100% convinved that gurdaspur attack was defo a muslim attack, n not a false flag R.A.W initiated attack? I mean, if ur gona do a 'terror attack', y not attack the airport, some big panjab govt buildings, plant big arse bombs at harmandar sahib etc? I mean all they did was attack a crappy bus, crappy police station etc. Fair enuff they wanted to do a train over too, but this all happening whilst the badals r cackin their pants over bapu surat singhs wave of influence, so to take the attention away frm panjabis, they do all this, very timed it seems. Dont ever put it past the indian govt to do many more false flags, theyre learning frm hitler and the usa, who have/had perfected false flag ops. Btw this doesnt mean we r makin excuses on behalf of paks, coz thats the last fing im interested in doin.

Dont put it past india to attack pakistan, by staging false flag attacks, attributed to paks, jus like operation shanti. Operation shanti was an operation planned to start war against pakistan in nov 84, after india would spread news in india that the sikhs have joined pakistan in invadin india, and aerial bombardment of panjab wud initially happen! All this on guru nanak dev jis birthday too, which is y the 84' mobs who killed sikhs in delhi, were SO organised, as they were perparing for nationwide sikh killing anyways. Henve y beant/satwant killed the witch as soon as possible....on halloween no less.

Punjab is a frontier state, it is heavily militarised, so the terrorists will attack what they believe is a soft target.

[JagsawSingh]

You are right, these Gujjars were an importan part of the social fabric of Punjab. But those were the indigenous Punjabi Gujjars who after partition migrated to Pakistan. These foreign J&K Gujjars were never part of the social fabric of Punjab.

Yes they were. They've always been part of the social fabric of Punjab. Just look at the history of Amritsar. The city's culture was practically built by Kashmiri muslims as well as its economic status as a powerhouse of the old silk route. Like I said, there is a tendancy among Hinduvta Indians to blame muslims for everything and deny their rightful place in our history. We Sikhs should not be playing their games.

[Ranjeet01]

Hindus and Sikhs were part of the fabric in West Punjab. Sikhs were involved in clearing the jungles to create the canal colonies, Sikhs played a large part in Lyalpur (now known as Faisalabad) Hindus dominated a lot of the businesses in Lahore, Sikhs dominated land and business in Sialkot and Rawalpindi.

Where are the Sikhs and HIndus now?

I don't see what the point of looking is in looking into the past with this pre-partition fetish, those days aren't coming back.

Let us focus on the question in hand. Is there really an Islamifisation of East Punjab, if this is the case then they will have to compete with the Christian Evangelisation and Derafication.

It would be against the RSS's interests to see Sikhs obliterated from Punjab as these types see us as useful tools, if there are no Sikhs left they will lose their buffer on the western border.

They know that the Hindu Punjabi will do nothing and run like cowards which is why RSS has been keen to ensure that any Sikhs being enticed to become Christian should remain Sikh as a Christian Punjab will mean foreign intervention if it decides to break away.

Even though I do not trust Hindutva groups, we cannot tar them with them with the same brush as they all have different motivations. RSS is a different animal to the Shiv Sena. Shiv Sena are a bunch of thugs whereas the RSS are more strategic in their thinking.

The problem with us Sikhs is that we are too emotionally driven, we need to think more rationally with clear heads and think more strategically.We need to study our opponents and understand the bigger picture. This is part of being a Sant-Sipahi.

[proactive]

Yes they were. They've always been part of the social fabric of Punjab. Just look at the history of Amritsar. The city's culture was practically built by Kashmiri muslims as well as its economic status as a powerhouse of the old silk route. Like I said, there is a tendancy among Hinduvta Indians to blame muslims for everything and deny their rightful place in our history. We Sikhs should not be playing their games.

Jonny is right, you are confusing the Gujjars or Punjab with those of J&K, I have lived in Punjab during the 70s and do not recall seeing an Gujjars like you see today. These Gujjars have been coming to Punjab only in the early 2000s. They have been bought to Punjab as part of a conspiracy and are then settled on wakf board land.

The Kashmiris of Amritsar were not Gujjars but traders and craftsmen and were a part of the Amritsar social scene from the 1800s ti 1947. They migrated to Amritsar from Kashmir because of the unsettled conditions during the Afghan rule in Kashmir.

[Ranjeet01]

Jonny is right, you are confusing the Gujjars or Punjab with those of J&K, I have lived in Punjab during the 70s and do not recall seeing an Gujjars like you see today. These Gujjars have been coming to Punjab only in the early 2000s. They have been bought to Punjab as part of a conspiracy and are then settled on wakf board land.

The Kashmiris of Amritsar were not Gujjars but traders and craftsmen and were a part of the Amritsar social scene from the 1800s ti 1947. They migrated to Amritsar from Kashmir because of the unsettled conditions during the Afghan rule in Kashmir.

Is it not strange that someone from J&K can move into Punjab and other states yet due to Article 370 no one from other states can move into J&K.

Nawaz Sharif the prime minister of Pakistan is from one of these families that were Amritsar Kashmiris.

[Jonny101]

Jonny is right, you are confusing the Gujjars or Punjab with those of J&K, I have lived in Punjab during the 70s and do not recall seeing an Gujjars like you see today. These Gujjars have been coming to Punjab only in the early 2000s. They have been bought to Punjab as part of a conspiracy and are then settled on wakf board land.

The Kashmiris of Amritsar were not Gujjars but traders and craftsmen and were a part of the Amritsar social scene from the 1800s ti 1947. They migrated to Amritsar from Kashmir because of the unsettled conditions during the Afghan rule in Kashmir.

Exactly! These j&k gujjars have nothing to do with the achievements of the Kashmiris who settled in central Punjab during the 1800s. The Kashmiri butt community is as progressive as the Punjabi Arains of Pakistan. The j&k gujjars are as different in characteristics from the Kashmiri community of Punjab as the nomadic Bedouins are from regular Arabs.

Iqbal the famous poet belonged to the Kashmiri community of Punjab.