Muslim Friend Wants To Become A Sikh But She Has Questions

[13Mirch]

I'm sure Sehajdhari meant something else back then, like anyone who believed in all of Sikhi, but because they couldn't take Amrit for some odd reason would be called a Sehajdhari, (an example would be Jinda and Sukha desire for Amrit but couldn't Chack it).

Sehajdharis were Sikhs who were not Amritdharis but attempted to follow the ethos. We attempt to impose modern logic on historic events which did not follow such criterion's. Taking Amrit also meant retaining a conspicuous identity which historically (under both Muslims and Hindus) meant a death sentence. The modern day criticism and vilification of Sehajdhairs is due to Babas who eat greatly, lead the sheep like masses on divergent tracks and occasionally lock lips.

[sikhni777]

I think you should tell her that she can read and listen to saloks o f kabir and sheikh farid as they were of muslim origin. They are on YouTube with meanings as well in English.

[sikhni777]

I think you can advise her to recite salok of sheikh farid and kabir. They were Muslims too. These can be obtained from You tube. They have meanings as well in english

[singhbj singh]

I have a pakistani muslim friend she has been reading up on Sikhism and no longer wants to be a muslim.

She wanted to know how does she become a sikh? She isnt ready to become baptised as a Khalsa but does believe in the Sikh scriptures.

So is there a way she can convert without her strict family finding out but still identifying herself as a Sikh?

Give her this Shabad, tell her that true meaning of Sikh is this -

http://igurbani.com/?shabadid=1152&id=13916

If she chooses to follow the above then True Guru will himself come to help !

[13Mirch]

I think you can advise her to recite salok of sheikh farid and kabir. They were Muslims too. These can be obtained from You tube. They have meanings as well in english

Were they really Muslims? I think you should read their Saloks as well now.

[sikhni777]

Shakar Ganj / Sheikh Farid (1173-1265 A.D)

At birth his parents named him Farid-ud-Din Masaud, but he is mostly revered as Baba Farid of Pak Pattan.

https://www.sikhiwiki.org/index.php/Sheikh_Farid

Kabir was born to a Brahmin unwed mother inVaranasi, by a seedless conception and delivered through the palm of her hand,^[5]:5 who then abandoned him in a basket floating in a pond, and baby Kabir was picked up then raised by a Muslim family.^[1][5]:4–5 However, modern scholarship has abandoned these legends for lack of historical evidence, and Kabir is widely accepted to have been born and brought up in a family of Muslim weavers.^[5]:3–5 According to the Indologist Wendy Doniger, Kabir was born into a Muslim family and various birth legends attempt to "drag Kabir back over the line from Muslim to Hindu".^[10]

^{https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kabir}

^{Ok my mistake they were of a muslim origin or muslim background.}

[13Mirch]

Shakar Ganj / Sheikh Farid (1173-1265 A.D)

At birth his parents named him Farid-ud-Din Masaud, but he is mostly revered as Baba Farid of Pak Pattan.

https://www.sikhiwiki.org/index.php/Sheikh_Farid

Kabir was born to a Brahmin unwed mother inVaranasi, by a seedless conception and delivered through the palm of her hand,^[5]:5 who then abandoned him in a basket floating in a pond, and baby Kabir was picked up then raised by a Muslim family.^[1][5]:4–5 However, modern scholarship has abandoned these legends for lack of historical evidence, and Kabir is widely accepted to have been born and brought up in a family of Muslim weavers.^[5]:3–5 According to the Indologist Wendy Doniger, Kabir was born into a Muslim family and various birth legends attempt to "drag Kabir back over the line from Muslim to Hindu".^[10]

^{https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kabir}

^{Ok my mistake they were of a muslim origin or muslim background.}

I do not believe this to be the case. The hymns of both show a general divergence from Islamic thought.

[jkvlondon]

I do not believe this to be the case. The hymns of both show a general divergence from Islamic thought.

be careful of sikh wiki also as it is maintained by Sikhnet guys ...as with all things verify from multiple sources ...

[Guest Jacfsing2]

be careful of sikh wiki also as it is maintained by Sikhnet guys ...as with all things verify from multiple sources ...

A wiki doesn't need to be owned by a cult for it to be corrupt, the way Wikis in general are made allows anyone to do anything. Even if Sikhiwiki was independent of 3HO, the viewers could still edit it to be pro-3HO. (I don't even have to be Sikh to edit it).

[sikhni777]

Another source explains this

On the basis of modern research, it seems probable that Kabir belonged to a family of non-celibate yogis converted, not long before and to a considerable degree superficially to Islam. From the writings of Kabir it seems that his knowledge of Islam was slight, rather in his poetical utterances (Bani) a wealth of Hathayoga terminology and a thought structure which bears obvious resemblance to Nath Yogis. Nath Yogis in addition to the yogic conception that all truth is experimental, i.e. to be realized within the body with the aid of psycho-physical practices, concentration, control of breathing and thus making the body incorruptible and the yogis immortal.

Kabir also denounced mullahs and their rituals of bowing towards kaba five times a day. Because of open condemnation of established and popular religoins, Kabir became an object of the wrath of both Hindus and Muslims in and around Benaras.

t was the authority of Vedas and Quran that more then the authority of Brahmin or Qazi which Kabir attacked. He rebelled against the pretension of resolving by the means of books or by way of authority, the mystery of human conditions and the problem of liberation (Moksha).

http://www.sikh-history.com/sikhhist/events/kabir.html