Is khalsa aid wasting sangats resources on muslim rohingya?

[KhoonKaBadlaKhoon]

On 19/12/2017 at 9:45 AM, S1ngh said:

We have the world’s worst drug epidemic in Punjab and I don’t see them doing anything in there to help our own. What I see is that KA a marketing machinery & this is a sad truth- KA is  successful in making money because it shows to our people who suffers from inferiority complex that Sikhs are sooo good that they are helping non-Sikhs. Some of us believes in too much superficitality outside even if inside is all rusted junk.

I can agree it's turned into bit of a marketing thing for SJW's, I don't think initially when it was a one man show it was about marketing. And I don't think we have world's worst drug epidemic. 

[proactive]

11 hours ago, KhoonKaBadlaKhoon said:

I can agree it's turned into bit of a marketing thing for SJW's, I don't think initially when it was a one man show it was about marketing. And I don't think we have world's worst drug epidemic. 

It's all relative. A drug epidemic in an country that is independent is quite different and less dangerous for that country than one in a state that has a bare Sikh majority and that is controlled by an oppressive government of another community and which is hell bent on destroying the Sikh population by all means at its disposal. And the Khalsa Aid  muppets think that using the Sangat's funds in Punjab is only appropriate if there is an earthquake there! These muppets don't understand that there is an earthquake of farmer suicides, drug addiction, pollution and cancer in Punjab every month and yet these arrogant people are off to 'waste money in areas where tens of millions is being spent by other larger charities. 

You are right that KA is now all about marketing and collecting money. I am sure they work on some formula that one image of a Nishan Sahib raised in a far flung place is worth many thousands of pounds in donations as are images and videos of their volunteers in KA t-shirts giving out food to refugees. What is interesting is that they use their posts on facebook to ask for donations when they have £2.5 million in their bank account. 

At a time when our community is under siege in Punjab and the likelihood is that Sikhs will lose their majority in Punjab in the next few decades we need to make sure that every penny of the Sangat's money is used wisely and ONLY in ensuring that it is used for the welfare of Sikhs. That is why apart from other charities working with Sikligars etc, the only other charity I donate to is Sikh Relief. This used to be mainly help Sikh prisoners in India and their families but has since started to expand to organising Gurmat camps, dastar tying camps and other Sikh parchar activities. These people are the ones that are making an effort to raise the next Sikh generation. I would put the difference between this charity and KA in blunt terms as Sikh relief is raising the next Sikh generation while Khalsa Aid is raising the next Muslim generation! 

 

[S1ngh]

On 12/20/2017 at 11:18 PM, proactive said:

It's all relative. A drug epidemic in an country that is independent is quite different and less dangerous for that country than one in a state that has a bare Sikh majority and that is controlled by an oppressive government of another community and which is hell bent on destroying the Sikh population by all means at its disposal. And the Khalsa Aid  muppets think that using the Sangat's funds in Punjab is only appropriate if there is an earthquake there! These muppets don't understand that there is an earthquake of farmer suicides, drug addiction, pollution and cancer in Punjab every month and yet these arrogant people are off to 'waste money in areas where tens of millions is being spent by other larger charities. 

You are right that KA is now all about marketing and collecting money. I am sure they work on some formula that one image of a Nishan Sahib raised in a far flung place is worth many thousands of pounds in donations as are images and videos of their volunteers in KA t-shirts giving out food to refugees. What is interesting is that they use their posts on facebook to ask for donations when they have £2.5 million in their bank account. 

At a time when our community is under siege in Punjab and the likelihood is that Sikhs will lose their majority in Punjab in the next few decades we need to make sure that every penny of the Sangat's money is used wisely and ONLY in ensuring that it is used for the welfare of Sikhs. That is why apart from other charities working with Sikligars etc, the only other charity I donate to is Sikh Relief. This used to be mainly help Sikh prisoners in India and their families but has since started to expand to organising Gurmat camps, dastar tying camps and other Sikh parchar activities. These people are the ones that are making an effort to raise the next Sikh generation. I would put the difference between this charity and KA in blunt terms as Sikh relief is raising the next Sikh generation while Khalsa Aid is raising the next Muslim generation! 

 

Well said !! 

[chatanga]

On 21/12/2017 at 7:18 AM, proactive said:

I would put the difference between this charity and KA in blunt terms as Sikh relief is raising the next Sikh generation while Khalsa Aid is raising the next Muslim generation! 

 

So true and so horrible to read the reality. Billionaire Arabs and such, and then us. We don't have the wealth they do.

 

2 hours ago, S1ngh said:

These muppets don't understand that there is an earthquake of farmer suicides, drug addiction, pollution and cancer in Punjab every month

 

Although some of these probelm are self-created,  there should definitely be more material and financial aid for the poorer Sikhs. Some farmers have taken huge oans on land they cannot repay. Some fools take drugs, and become addicts. Those people who bring it on themselves, I don't tend to have much sympathy for, but those Sikhs who are living in shanty towns and can't educate their kids, or even feed them or clothe them properly, should definietly be helped. And those families affected by the loss of family members who gave their lives in the Khalistan movement should definitely be high up on the list. 

[proactive]

11 hours ago, chatanga said:

Although some of these probelm are self-created,  there should definitely be more material and financial aid for the poorer Sikhs. Some farmers have taken huge oans on land they cannot repay. Some fools take drugs, and become addicts. Those people who bring it on themselves, I don't tend to have much sympathy for, but those Sikhs who are living in shanty towns and can't educate their kids, or even feed them or clothe them properly, should definietly be helped. And those families affected by the loss of family members who gave their lives in the Khalistan movement should definitely be high up on the list. 

Not every farmer who is in extreme debt has taken a loan out because he wants to show off to the rest of the village. This is a perception that some vested interests  try to create. Farming has been unproductive for many years now with input prices increasing and only a pittance paid for the produce. Either the farmer sits at home or he farms and in so doing has to take out loans to cover the input costs. The GOI has a monopoly on the produce of the Punjabi farmer and he has to wait months to get paid for his produce. The Indian colonial set up in Punjab is created so that raw produce is brought from the Punjabi farmer cheaply and processed outside the state and then sold at a higher rate. This is the same thing that the British did when they ruled India where they brought raw materials from the colony and these were processed in the mills and factories in the the UK and sold back to the Indians. 

The are a number of Sikh charities now which are concentrating on Sikh issues. Sikh Relief helps Sikh prisoners and their families as well as the families of those who gave their lives in the Sikh freedom struggle. British Sikh Council has taken up the Vanjara and Sikligar issue over the last few years. Hopefully these and other Sikh charities who are solely working on Sikh issues will overtake Khalsa Aid in future and the Sangat's money will go towards helping our community to meet and pass the challenges it faces from our enemies. 

[Sukhvirk1976]

On 28/09/2017 at 6:39 AM, proactive said:

Here's so more news of what happened prior to the Mynamar army actions against the Rohingyas. I was watching that odious Arnaab Goswami on RTV and he had a debate about this issue. One the Muslims who was defending the Rohingyas said that how can we be sure these are Hindu bodies, Hindus don't bury their dead!! 

 

Myanmar's killing fields: 45 Hindu bodies are found in mass graves as authorities accuse Rohingya Muslims of carrying out massacre

• Bodies of 45 Hindus including children found in mass graves in Myanmar
• Army say they were slaughtered by Rohingya Muslims and 48 are still missing 
• Military has driven 480,000 Rohingya across the border to Bangladesh
• The UN has accused the army of ethnic clensing, which armed forces deny 

By Afp and Chris Pleasance for MailOnline

PUBLISHED: 18:32, 27 September 2017 | UPDATED: 19:16, 27 September 2017

 

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Myanmar troops have uncovered the bodies of 45 Hindu villagers as the army accused Rohingya Muslims of carrying out a massacre.

Soldiers say they are still searching for another 48 missing Hindus who are feared dead after the discovery of mass graves in Rakhine state containing skeletal remains, including of women and children.

Army chiefs say the villagers were killed by Rohingya militants who also attacked police outposts. They say this justifies a brutal crackdown which has seen 480,000 people from the minority sect flee across the border to Bangladesh in a month.

 

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Myanmar's army has accused Rohingya Muslims of massacring Hindu villagers in Rakhine state after the bodies of 45 people, including women and children, were found in mass graves

 

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Witnesses said masked men stormed their village armed with machetes before hacking people to death. The army has used attacks such as this to justify their crackdown on the Rohingya

 

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Myanmar authorities have accused Rohingya of violence against Buddhists and Hindus in Rakhine state, as well as attacking police 

The UN has accused troops of systematically evicting the Rohingya, who have faced decades of persecution in the mainly Buddhist country.

Rights groups accuse troops of using arson to force the Rohingya out and block their return, a charge the army denies, accusing the Muslim minority of burning down their own homes.

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The army has restricted press access to the conflict zone, including by independent observers who have asked to verify the presence of mass graves, and the identities of those inside. 

The military has posted regular updates that blame Rohingya militants for the bloodshed, leading to allegations of a cover-up

On Wednesday a Myanmar minister, Win Myat Aye, was quoted in state media as saying the government would manage all fire-damaged land in Rakhine, a development likely to raise concern about the Rohingya refugees' ability to return.

 

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 In the space of just a month 480,000 Rohingya have been driven across the border to Bangladesh as whole villages have been burned to the ground

 

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 Relatives of the dead have blamed the Arakan Rohingya Salvation Army, a group of militants associated with the Muslim sect, of carrying out the killings

 

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Picutred is a burned out village near Maungdaw township, which was once Muslim-majority but has now been almost entirely cleared of the religious group

 

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Hindu leaders say the graves were only located because eight women were spared after agreeing to convert to Islam and being brought to Bangladesh

The army and government have also sought to highlight the suffering of other ethnic groups swept up in the unrest, such as Rakhine Buddhists and Hindus.

On Wednesday the army flew journalists to the place where the mass graves of 45 Hindu villagers.

The decomposing skeletal bodies remained laid out in rows on a grassy field outside the village of Ye Baw Kyaw as distraught relatives wailed.

Locals have helped identify 25 of the corpses, according to the government's Information Committee. 

Hindus who fled the area have told AFP that masked men stormed into their community that day and hacked victims to death with machetes before dumping them into freshly-dug pits.

Speaking to media on the army-led press trip, Maung Ba, a 32-year-old Hindu, said several of his relatives were among those brutally murdered.

'I identified them based on their clothes and body shape,' he said solemnly.

Ni Maul, a Hindu leader who has helped with the search, said authorities found the graves using testimony from eight Hindu women who were spared and brought to Bangladesh after they agreed to convert to Islam.

'They kept the beautiful eight women alive to marry,' he said.

 

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A woman weeps as she helps to identify the bodies of relatives and neighbours among the dead. Local authorities say 25 people have been identified so far

 

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Hindus in Rakhine state accuse the Rohingya of oppression, and say they have been targeted in refugee camps by preachers trying to force them to convert to Islam

 

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Hindu women weep over the decomposing bodies of relatives who they believe were killed by members of a militant Rohingya organisation

 

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While journalists have been allowed to visit the sites of mass graves, under escort by the army, independent observers have not, leading some to allege a cover-up

Four Hindu women displaced in Bangladesh told AFP they were among the eight who escaped the massacre in the same area of Kha Maung Seik, with eight children in tow.

'We begged for our lives, asking they spare the women,' 22-year-old Bina Sheel told AFP at a small village for Hindu refugees in the Bangladeshi border district of Cox's Bazar.

'They asked if we would marry them. We said yes, to save our lives.'

All four women said they were taken to Rohingya Muslim camps inside Bangladesh by the attackers. Sheel said her captor urged her to convert to Islam before she was brought to the Hindu village by a local leader.

The accounts could not be independently confirmed. The crisis has intensified religious hatreds and fuelled ethnically-charged claims and counterclaims.

The focal point of the unrest, Rakhine's Maungdaw district, was once home to several religious communities, with the Rohingya a majority.

But vast swathes of the border region are now completely emptied of Muslim residents.

Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-4926446/Rohingya-accused-mass-killings-Hindus-Myanmar.html#ixzz4twtWCKU0 
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