Is khalsa aid wasting sangats resources on muslim rohingya?

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On 9/28/2017 at 9:38 AM, Balkaar said:

Veeray you're gonna use them as a stick to beat 'pappus'? 

The Sikhs of that generation were the biggest pappus and angrezi boot-lickers in the whole of the subcontinent. This the same generation of Sikhs that was so utterly loyal to the empire which scraped the Sikh nation off the face of the earth that they became worm food by the tens of thousands to preserve its existence. And you're gonna hold these men up as role models and paragons of 'character' and 'self-respect' for Sikhs today? No self-respecting Sikh would fight and die for the empire which destroyed the Khalsa Raj you allude to in your post. They had little self-respect, most of their sense of self-worth was based on the praise they got from their angrezi masters, particularly that manipulative 'martial race' nonsense, and they wagged their tails in gratitude for these cheap flatteries for decades. The letters to Brit officials from Sikh representatives of the time are so nauseating and syrupy that they should make us flush with shame/embarrassment. And look what their toadying antics got us. Nothing at all. They let themselves be played by the Brits, utterly. One of the most shameful eras in our qaum's history in my opinion, not one to get nostalgic over.

Who cares what they would have had to say about Khalsa Aid?   I think the opinion which should matter most to a Sikh is Maharaj's, as enshrined in Bani and the sakhiaan surrounding their lives, and it's my personal belief that Gurbani and the sakhiaan both ratify the work being done by Khalsa Aid. You will probably interpret them differently, but I am utterly convinced of this.  

 

You know the same Sikhs that had a decade before given the British the biggest challenge of their lives were the first to volunteer to take on the Purabias! So did these Sardars suddenly become boot lickers and lose all self respect or did they make a conscious decision to take fight on the British side to stop the re-emergence of the Mughal empire under Bahadur Shah II? 

The syrupy words you claim were coming from all three communities as they battled with each other to advance their communities. As for the Sikhs of the pre-1947 generation the pappus that lead Khalsa Aid or United Sikhs are a poor comparison. Which Sakhi actually teaches that Sikhs should not help fellow Sikhs (of which there are millions at the moment) and go off a thousand miles away to replicate the work of other charities. It is not as if Khalsa Aid is the only charity working there, countries are pumping in millions into the relief work and the tens of thousands of pounds Ravi Singh and publicity hungry organisation will expend from the Panth's coffers would have been much better spent in Punjab. 

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On 9/28/2017 at 6:44 AM, Sukhvirk1976 said:

Seriously how lame 

The lame thing is that you chose to put lol IN MY QUOTE! You sad sad man. 

[imhosingh]

KA specialises in humanitarian crisis situations. What is happening to the rohinga is within that remit. If there was a crisis like an earthquake in Punjab I'm sure KA would mobilise if the need was there. We have plenty of groups working on 'sikh' issues but as usual they are split along various lines so don't generate the same oomph of say one organisation that tackles one area. Just an example is the various 'councils' of Sikhs that just act as vechiles for their boards to meet and connect with important people in behalf of 'sikhs', so they can further their own interests 

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1 hour ago, imhosingh said:

KA specialises in humanitarian crisis situations. What is happening to the rohinga is within that remit. If there was a crisis like an earthquake in Punjab I'm sure KA would mobilise if the need was there. We have plenty of groups working on 'sikh' issues but as usual they are split along various lines so don't generate the same oomph of say one organisation that tackles one area. Just an example is the various 'councils' of Sikhs that just act as vechiles for their boards to meet and connect with important people in behalf of 'sikhs', so they can further their own interests 

Why is there a need for a Sikh organisation specialising in 'humanitarian crisis' when there are over 100 or more such organisations with multi-million pound budgets? What is the need for such an Sikh organisation which will duplicate the work of these other organisations? Is a few facebook posts and some newspaper and youtube coverage worth the lives of Sikhs who could have been helped had the Khalsa Aid funds been exclusively used for Sikhs. 

Khalsa Aid has over £2.5 million in the bank. If it chose to it could set up counseling centres in Punjab for the Punjabi farmers weighed down under debt. It could feed, clothe and educate EACH and EVERY Sikh orphan whose parents gave their lives of the Sikh cause and those whose parents were mercilessly butchered in Delhi. It could pay a pension to each family of the Shaheeds of 1984 and after. After this there would still be enough money to set up a few parchar centres to counter the parchar of the Christian missionaries so we wouldn't always hear negative stories of poor Sikhs being converted to Christianity. 

Imagine that, there is a Sikh who many like to project as some sort of diaspora Bhagat Puran Singh who has it in his hands to solve over 50% of the issues that plague the Sikhs of Punjab and yet he CHOOSES NOT TO. 

But I suppose that's the needs of the Sikhs of Punjab are not HUMANITARIAN ENOUGH for Ravi Singh. That kind of effort would only get publicity and goodwill in the Sikh community but he is hungry for publicity from non-Sikhs so Sikhs in need will need to wait until he comes around to them. 

 A few months ago one of the KA organisers was off on a jaunt to the British Virgin Islands as if the British Govt which is annually gives billions in foreign aid would be negligent in providing aid to their own territories! Really these Khalsa Aid people need to spend some of their money in the banks and get some brain scans done! 

Sikh groups helping Sikhs have come about because some Sikhs realise that KA is taking the Sikhs for a ride and not helping Sikhs. It is only lately that KA has had to make some efforts in Punjab otherwise they would happily bypass Sikh issues. 

The issue here is that whereas other religions go out to help just their own adherents, we have stupid Sikhs like KA and United Sikhs also helping non-Sikhs. No non-Sikh organisation will help Sikhs and if it does then it will be for dubious reasons.

[HarfunMaula]

On 9/16/2017 at 8:21 PM, Balkaar said:

The Singhs who dragged Bhai Kanhaiya before Kalgidhar Patshaah sounded very similar to you. "Why give water to some muslim, an enemy, when you could be giving water to a Sikh instead? Shouldn't the Sikhs be a priority?"  I shouldn't have to remind you how this turned out for them. 

When Dashmesh Pitaa asked Bhai Sahib why he had done this,  Kanhaiya replied "I saw no Mughal or Sikh on the field of battle Maharaj, I saw only you". Guru Gobind Singh said that of all those present in the group Kanhaiya alone had understood the real message of Gurbani. Bhai Kanhaiya was right. The Singhs were wrong. I believe you are wrong about this too bhenji. Be careful not to become so obsessed with protecting 'sikhi' that you forget what you're supposed to be protecting in the first place. 

Helping somebody is never a waste of anything, it is not only one of the best things we can do for others, but one of the best things we can do for our own Sikhi. 

The problem arises when the successors to Bhai Kanhaiya today choose to ignore the Sikhs on the battlefield in order to serve the non Sikhs in their preconceived notion that 'recognise all human race as one' means ignore your own to serve others.

[Sukhvirk1976]

3 hours ago, proactive said:

The lame thing is that you chose to put lol IN MY QUOTE! You sad sad man. 

I did no such thing 

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On 21/09/2017 at 6:01 AM, YOYO29 said:

Interesting subject you have brought it up.May I know how you got so much information about this ? From gazetteers or from books ? Pardon my ignorance about this.I have always focused on 1941 census and so i don't know what was the situation before 1941 census took place.It would be good if u can suggest some good books on this migration.

 

At the moment I'm reading a book by Ian Talbot called "lahore in the times of the Raaj".

In it he writes that a quarter of the Muslim residents of Lahore city are Kashmiris.

Also just for your info, the 1941 census was not very accurate either as all three religions were suspected of giving skewed numbers wherever they could.

 

 

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On 26/11/2017 at 10:35 PM, HarfunMaula said:

The problem arises when the successors to Bhai Kanhaiya today choose to ignore the Sikhs on the battlefield in order to serve the non Sikhs in their preconceived notion that 'recognise all human race as one' means ignore your own to serve others.

The successors of Bhai Kanhaiya are the sewapanthi sampraaiye, I am sure they serve everyone.

[S1ngh]

On 11/26/2017 at 12:10 PM, imhosingh said:

If there was a crisis like an earthquake in Punjab I'm sure KA would mobilise if the need was there.

We have the world’s worst drug epidemic in Punjab and I don’t see them doing anything in there to help our own. What I see is that KA a marketing machinery & this is a sad truth- KA is  successful in making money because it shows to our people who suffers from inferiority complex that Sikhs are sooo good that they are helping non-Sikhs. Some of us believes in too much superficitality outside even if inside is all rusted junk.

[Sukhvirk1976]

13 hours ago, S1ngh said:

We have the world’s worst drug epidemic in Punjab and I don’t see them doing anything in there to help our own. What I see is that KA a marketing machinery & this is a sad truth- KA is  successful in making money because it shows to our people who suffers from inferiority complex that Sikhs are sooo good that they are helping non-Sikhs. Some of us believes in too much superficitality outside even if inside is all rusted junk.

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