Apparently Sant Jarnail Singh Ji is back?

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Sangat Ji, I've heard that a mahapurakh did a bachan that Sant Jarnail Singh Ji is coming/has come back? Is this true?

Vaheguru Ji.

[EST1699 24]

Fake news ji since 1984 so that sant ji never get a proper shaheed respect.

[InderjitS 1,243]

Sant Thakur Singh Jee also believed they would come back and remained in Chardikala. As much as I respected their kamaee and that of old school Taksali Singhs, I find it hard to believe.

I replied to a private message on this very topic. Sant Jee's body was found riddled with bullet holes, all at the front, this shows their immense bravery and adherence to Guru Sahib's spirit of never turning ones back on the battle field.

What type of Singh with as much Bhagti as Sant Jee would cower in hiding whilst so much paap has been committed since '84.

Below is one account from Sant Jee's life.

By Dalbeer Singh in "NayRayo(n) Dithay Sant Bhindranvale"

Dalbeer Singh Journalist was a close friend of Baba Jarnail Singh

It was a Sunday in May 1984. I arrived at Harmandar Sahib at 9 AM, and noticed an odd sadness everywhere. I came to the Parkarma and saw about 25 young men in yellow dastaars with kamarkasas marching. In the room underneath the stairs of Guru Ram Das langar, Sant jee's companions used to plan out strategy and have meetings. All outsiders used to enquire here first. I arrived there and asked Bhai Amreek Singh about the 25 men marching in the Parkarma. He answered "These Singhs are from Hazoor Sahib. They told the Kar Seva Babas that until the existing gurdvaras are secured and protected, there is no need to build new gurdvaras." Today I think that these young men had arrived from all over after receiving training, all according to Sant jee's strategy. Their march was to give warning to the government. 

Bhai Amreek Singh said that in a little while the Jatha (Jatha Bhindran) would be having an important meeting on the roof of Sree Akaal Takhat Sahib. "Sant jee has asked that you (Dalbeer Singh) should certainly come to this meeting." I said that "I am neither a member of the Jatha, nor even amritdhaaree, how can I go to this meeting?" Bhai Sahib asked Sant jee on the intercom and said Sant jee wanted to speak to me in person. After answering my Fateh, he forcefully said "Gurmukha, you must come to the meeting." Answering my concerns, he said "I'm the head of the Jatha, and it is my decision to make about who can attend the meeting and who cannot". 

At around 10 AM, I, Bhai Amreek Singh and others went to the highest roof of Sree Akaal Takhat Sahib where the meeting was to take place. Because there were too many Singhs and not enough room, they had made an "L" shape around the dome. Tyaar-bar-tyaar Singhs with yellow dastaars, yellow kamarkassas and knee length cholas and kachheras, with their weapons facing sky-ward were giving an amazing sight. This sight can be seen in paintings of puraatan times. I took a place in the corner facing Harmandar Sahib. 

Sant jee came and stood in a corner. He could see all the Singhs form this spot. In his pure Punjabi, Sant jee said "Singho, I have called your meeting because the situation is very serious. A Jatha has come from Sree Hazoor Sahib and you should arrange weapons for them. Whoever amongst you have two weapons, should return one. You may choose which weapon you want to keep, because later on, there will be no changes. After this, Sant jee's assistant Bhai Rachhpal Singh took his small diary and began to take an account of the 100 Singhs' weapons. This took about half an hour. 

Then Sant jee resumed his speech. He said "Singho, the government will according to its strategy surrounded us with 100 000 soldiers. It is possible that jets and helicopters could be used and parachute soldiers could be dropped onto the parkarma. But until then, you will not fire any weapons, until the soldiers fire. Let the government fire first. Until the soldiers jump from the planes, do not fire. But when they do, not one parachutist should land alive. Don't waste ammunition and you should take one life with each bullet at least. If the enemy comes very close, distribute the Ladoos (hand grenades). This will be a very terrifying incident but taking the support of Guru Ram Das jee's feet, we will pass this test. " 

Sant jee said some other things and then finished his speech. He stopped for a while and then according to his habit, he took his lower lip into the left side of his mouth and began to think of something. He would do this when he was double-minded about something. After a minute or two of silence he spoke in very drawn out voice "Singho, I have to speak to you about another issue as well." He looked towards me and said "Bhaeeyaa, should I do it?" I understood what was in his heart and said he should do it. 

In a very serious mood, Sant jee said "Singho, that which is going to happen will be very shocking and we should go according to the will of Akaal Purakh. I can't say that at that time what the status on my life will be. If at that time I have breaths, I will tell the name of the next head of the Jatha, if this is not what pleases Akaal Purakh, then the next head should be chosen by consensus. My body should be cremated at Gurduara Gurdarshan Parkaash Mehta, on the street in front of the gate. Taking his right elbow onto his left palm, he said "Put a Nishaan Saahib of about this size there. Don't make any memorial. I want my cremation on the road so that the Sangat can continue to pass over my pyre and I'll get the touch of their feet." 
Everyone's eyes were teary after hearing Sant jee's words. 

In his clear voice he said, "Don't lose heart. Remain steadfast. The time has come when the Dharam cannot be protected without giving our heads." 

After this, all the Singhs quietly went to their own resting spots. When walking, Sant jee put his hand on my shoulder and said "Brother, keep your duty of friendship to the end [yaaree nibhaaee(n)]" 

After this, Blue Star happened and it remained a very big weight on my mind that who should I talk to about all this? After a lot of thought I shared this with the late Sd. Jagjeet Singh, the respected scholar of GurbaaNee and Sikh principles and the author of the book "Sikh Revolution". I asked why the Sant had called me into that meeting. He said very softly to me, "Dalbeer Singh, the reason is quite simple. The Sant had given a spoken final testament and without writing it down, he made you a witness to it." 

[13Mirch 1,172]

8 hours ago, Singh2017 said:

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Sangat Ji, I've heard that a mahapurakh did a bachan that Sant Jarnail Singh Ji is coming/has come back? Is this true?

Vaheguru Ji.

Once upon a time even I professed belief in these incredulous tall tales, but after residing with some so-called Gursikhs my perception had to be revised. These are only myths manufactured to weaken Sikhs and not strengthen them. 

[jkvlondon 5,611]

9 hours ago, 13Mirch said:

Once upon a time even I professed belief in these incredulous tall tales, but after residing with some so-called Gursikhs my perception had to be revised. These are only myths manufactured to weaken Sikhs and not strengthen them. 

agreed whilst people hold out hope of a rescuer they will never do tyariaan themselves , they will never put jorr into parchaar, continue the removal of jagat choot / hor naashli cheezaan and keep Guru Granth Sahib ji and Guru Panth sahib ji protected and respected.

 

[13Mirch 1,172]

13 hours ago, jkvlondon said:

agreed whilst people hold out hope of a rescuer they will never do tyariaan themselves , they will never put jorr into parchaar, continue the removal of jagat choot / hor naashli cheezaan and keep Guru Granth Sahib ji and Guru Panth sahib ji protected and respected.

 

Wassan Singh Zaffarwal, Baljit Singh KCF, Baba Gurbachan Singh Ji BTFK all declared the Sant to be a Shaheed. The question arises that are our jujharoo shahids liars then? Let us use our brains for once.

[DarshaPyasi1984 27]

We should not trust any reports of any government persons whatsoever.

We should trust bachans of mahapurkhs, brahamgyanis like sant baba thakur singh ji, who said Sant ji is in chardikala and will return. However they never said Sant ji were alive or jiionde or not shaheed.Is it right to think that their soul can come back and take form like shaheed singhs who protect sikhi

[singh598 472]

Please original poster don't make attention grabbing almost carcastic headlines...by showing respect to SANT Ji you could have addressed the heading to your thread alot better

[Prokharkoo84 302]

On 11/4/2017 at 8:42 PM, InderjitS said:

Sant Thakur Singh Jee also believed they would come back and remained in Chardikala. As much as I respected their kamaee and that of old school Taksali Singhs, I find it hard to believe.

I replied to a private message on this very topic. Sant Jee's body was found riddled with bullet holes, all at the front, this shows their immense bravery and adherence to Guru Sahib's spirit of never turning ones back on the battle field.

What type of Singh with as much Bhagti as Sant Jee would cower in hiding whilst so much paap has been committed since '84.

Below is one account from Sant Jee's life.

By Dalbeer Singh in "NayRayo(n) Dithay Sant Bhindranvale"

Dalbeer Singh Journalist was a close friend of Baba Jarnail Singh

It was a Sunday in May 1984. I arrived at Harmandar Sahib at 9 AM, and noticed an odd sadness everywhere. I came to the Parkarma and saw about 25 young men in yellow dastaars with kamarkasas marching. In the room underneath the stairs of Guru Ram Das langar, Sant jee's companions used to plan out strategy and have meetings. All outsiders used to enquire here first. I arrived there and asked Bhai Amreek Singh about the 25 men marching in the Parkarma. He answered "These Singhs are from Hazoor Sahib. They told the Kar Seva Babas that until the existing gurdvaras are secured and protected, there is no need to build new gurdvaras." Today I think that these young men had arrived from all over after receiving training, all according to Sant jee's strategy. Their march was to give warning to the government. 

Bhai Amreek Singh said that in a little while the Jatha (Jatha Bhindran) would be having an important meeting on the roof of Sree Akaal Takhat Sahib. "Sant jee has asked that you (Dalbeer Singh) should certainly come to this meeting." I said that "I am neither a member of the Jatha, nor even amritdhaaree, how can I go to this meeting?" Bhai Sahib asked Sant jee on the intercom and said Sant jee wanted to speak to me in person. After answering my Fateh, he forcefully said "Gurmukha, you must come to the meeting." Answering my concerns, he said "I'm the head of the Jatha, and it is my decision to make about who can attend the meeting and who cannot". 

At around 10 AM, I, Bhai Amreek Singh and others went to the highest roof of Sree Akaal Takhat Sahib where the meeting was to take place. Because there were too many Singhs and not enough room, they had made an "L" shape around the dome. Tyaar-bar-tyaar Singhs with yellow dastaars, yellow kamarkassas and knee length cholas and kachheras, with their weapons facing sky-ward were giving an amazing sight. This sight can be seen in paintings of puraatan times. I took a place in the corner facing Harmandar Sahib. 

Sant jee came and stood in a corner. He could see all the Singhs form this spot. In his pure Punjabi, Sant jee said "Singho, I have called your meeting because the situation is very serious. A Jatha has come from Sree Hazoor Sahib and you should arrange weapons for them. Whoever amongst you have two weapons, should return one. You may choose which weapon you want to keep, because later on, there will be no changes. After this, Sant jee's assistant Bhai Rachhpal Singh took his small diary and began to take an account of the 100 Singhs' weapons. This took about half an hour. 

Then Sant jee resumed his speech. He said "Singho, the government will according to its strategy surrounded us with 100 000 soldiers. It is possible that jets and helicopters could be used and parachute soldiers could be dropped onto the parkarma. But until then, you will not fire any weapons, until the soldiers fire. Let the government fire first. Until the soldiers jump from the planes, do not fire. But when they do, not one parachutist should land alive. Don't waste ammunition and you should take one life with each bullet at least. If the enemy comes very close, distribute the Ladoos (hand grenades). This will be a very terrifying incident but taking the support of Guru Ram Das jee's feet, we will pass this test. " 

Sant jee said some other things and then finished his speech. He stopped for a while and then according to his habit, he took his lower lip into the left side of his mouth and began to think of something. He would do this when he was double-minded about something. After a minute or two of silence he spoke in very drawn out voice "Singho, I have to speak to you about another issue as well." He looked towards me and said "Bhaeeyaa, should I do it?" I understood what was in his heart and said he should do it. 

In a very serious mood, Sant jee said "Singho, that which is going to happen will be very shocking and we should go according to the will of Akaal Purakh. I can't say that at that time what the status on my life will be. If at that time I have breaths, I will tell the name of the next head of the Jatha, if this is not what pleases Akaal Purakh, then the next head should be chosen by consensus. My body should be cremated at Gurduara Gurdarshan Parkaash Mehta, on the street in front of the gate. Taking his right elbow onto his left palm, he said "Put a Nishaan Saahib of about this size there. Don't make any memorial. I want my cremation on the road so that the Sangat can continue to pass over my pyre and I'll get the touch of their feet." 
Everyone's eyes were teary after hearing Sant jee's words. 

In his clear voice he said, "Don't lose heart. Remain steadfast. The time has come when the Dharam cannot be protected without giving our heads." 

After this, all the Singhs quietly went to their own resting spots. When walking, Sant jee put his hand on my shoulder and said "Brother, keep your duty of friendship to the end [yaaree nibhaaee(n)]" 

After this, Blue Star happened and it remained a very big weight on my mind that who should I talk to about all this? After a lot of thought I shared this with the late Sd. Jagjeet Singh, the respected scholar of GurbaaNee and Sikh principles and the author of the book "Sikh Revolution". I asked why the Sant had called me into that meeting. He said very softly to me, "Dalbeer Singh, the reason is quite simple. The Sant had given a spoken final testament and without writing it down, he made you a witness to it." 

Waheguru

 

2 hours ago, jkvlondon said:

 

 

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Detailed description on how the 'Lion of the Panth' marched towards Shaheedi.

 

[13Mirch 1,172]

On 11/6/2017 at 6:40 PM, DarshaPyasi1984 said:

We should not trust any reports of any government persons whatsoever.

We should trust bachans of mahapurkhs, brahamgyanis like sant baba thakur singh ji, who said Sant ji is in chardikala and will return. However they never said Sant ji were alive or jiionde or not shaheed.Is it right to think that their soul can come back and take form like shaheed singhs who protect sikhi

Keep professing belief in such myths which only neuter us. 

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https://www.sikh24.com/2015/07/14/exclusive-interview-with-bhai-joginder-singh-rode-close-aid-of-sant-bhindranwale-reveals-many-details-from-1984/

[DarshaPyasi1984 27]

They have not gone anywhere in this moorakhs opinion. Sachkhand is God, and sants, gurmukhs etc.. .  are merged in God. God is infinite, omnipresent. Therefore, Sants are dissolved in God and are everywhere. 

ਸੂਰਜ ਕਿਰਣਿ ਮਿਲੇ ਜਲ ਕਾ ਜਲੁ ਹੂਆ ਰਾਮ ॥

They show up in dreams of gurmukhs and gursikhs who remember earnestly.

However, one thought 

If shaheed singhs can take physical saroop and appear to according to hukam, then hukam could make sant jarnail singh reappear to whole world.

My opinion is Sant JI is shaheed, but will come back. 

But, I am just manmukh. We could never really understand the depth of one bachan of a brahmgyani(Sant baba thakur singh ji khalsa)

ਬ੍ਰਹਮ ਗਿਆਨੀ ਕੀ ਗਤਿ ਬ੍ਰਹਮ ਗਿਆਨੀ ਜਾਨੈ

I dont mean to offend anyone's opinons. 

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6 hours ago, DarshaPyasi1984 said:

They have not gone anywhere in this moorakhs opinion. Sachkhand is God, and sants, gurmukhs etc.. .  are merged in God. God is infinite, omnipresent. Therefore, Sants are dissolved in God and are everywhere. 

ਸੂਰਜ ਕਿਰਣਿ ਮਿਲੇ ਜਲ ਕਾ ਜਲੁ ਹੂਆ ਰਾਮ ॥

They show up in dreams of gurmukhs and gursikhs who remember earnestly.

However, one thought 

If shaheed singhs can take physical saroop and appear to according to hukam, then hukam could make sant jarnail singh reappear to whole world.

My opinion is Sant JI is shaheed, but will come back. 

But, I am just manmukh. We could never really understand the depth of one bachan of a brahmgyani(Sant baba thakur singh ji khalsa)

ਬ੍ਰਹਮ ਗਿਆਨੀ ਕੀ ਗਤਿ ਬ੍ਰਹਮ ਗਿਆਨੀ ਜਾਨੈ

I dont mean to offend anyone's opinons. 

Whether  Sant ji gives jagat sewa again we don't know where and when but, for sure in life he always encouraged Sikhs to fight their own fight , do the right things and NOT to look to him to solve their problems . You can hear his bachan anytime , in fact I would say remastering his vids and tapes to remove  background hiss/noise and pumping , improving volume and putting multiple language subtitles and transcripts out can counter the blatant anti -sikh propaganda  out there.