Kurds abandoned after fighting ISIS

[dallysingh101 1,700]

2 hours ago, Ranjeet01 said:

You are the one that brings up caste all the time.

I am just responding to what you try to bring up all the time.

 

That's because it's relevant to the discussion. 

If you can't see what I'm getting at and parallels with the situation in the OP with what happened to the panth during colonialism and when partition happened, you must be even more of a thick plank than I can imagine. If you can't see how this is seriously relevant to us today, given that the animals at play here could very well create ww3, then you must really be a dense plank of the highest order. Don't you ever forget what your forefather did with his medals - and don't you ever stop thinking about why. Because what I'm talking about is very closely related to that. 

 

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After all your bluster here for all these years.

Be the bigger man here, put your money where your mouth is and show some leadership, show us how it's done.

But we know you won't, you are all mouth and no action!

 

You don't know what anyone has done, or is doing. I bet you're just a quiet office boy yourself, whose never seen any action. 

Stop being a tool for others with your non-points. 

The time for leadership will be coming real soon. That played out jut-brit sycophant garbage is definitely going, and the first and most important kick off we're going to have is internal. 

All this being said, just so some of you more simple minded veers can (hopefully...)  clearly get my point. I have nothing but the most respect and awe for those Singh ancestors/forefathers of ours that stood up for Sikhi and Sikh freedom whatever their background - you know what, I have even more respect for those from so-called 'neevay' jaats (so called churah and chamaars) that made sacrifices out of love and sharda over some economic gains certain other people craved (and still crave more than anything else by the looks of it).  Those apnay who fought for foreign kings/queens in foreign lands for foreign agendas, whilst Panjab was in dire need of their presence and protection don't fall into that category in my eyes. They are just sepoys who chose barhlaay agendas to affiliate themselves too over their own brothers and sisters. The carnage of partition at least partially is on their heads. And we can't ignore the fact that goray chose the most uneducated and probably quite financially desperate people to target for their propaganda, so it those terms, what happened can be partially explained. What we don't want is a repeat of that! 

In the UK, unskilled juts have now been largely skilled thanks to the pioneering efforts of the craftsmen of the panth. They no longer have to join dubious wars or organisations to survive. This is just some of the phal of nonjut leadership. And it is only just the beginning. 

Really, when comes to leadership, we want to return to the original meritocracy of the Khalsa. Frankly speaking, that caste based approach that was especially promoted by brits for their own agenda doesn't cut it, not least of all in the 21st century. 

Wake the hell up Singho. 

 

Edited October 13 by dallysingh101

[Ranjeet01 1,499]

13 minutes ago, dallysingh101 said:

That's because it's relevant to the discussion. 

If you can't see what I'm getting at and parallels with the situation in the OP with what happened to the panth during colonialism and when partition happened, you must be even more of a thick plank than I can imagine. If you can't see how this is seriously relevant to us today, given that the animals at play here could very well create ww3, then you must really be a dense plank of the highest order. Don't you ever forget what your forefather did with his medals - and don't you ever stop thinking about why. Because what I'm talking about is very closely related to that. 

 

You don't know what anyone has done, or is doing. I bet you're just a quiet office boy yourself, whose never seen any action. 

Stop being a tool for others with your non-points. 

The time for leadership will be coming real soon. That played out jut-brit sycophant garbage is definitely going, and the first and most important kick off we're going to have is internal. 

All this being said, just so some of you more simple minded veers can (hopefully...)  clearly get my point. I have nothing but the most respect and awe for those Singh ancestors/forefathers of ours that stood up for Sikhi and Sikh freedom whatever their background - you know what, I have even more respect for those from so-called 'neevay' jaats (so called churah and chamaars) that made sacrifices out of love and sharda over some economic gains certain other people craved (and still crave more than anything else by the looks of it).  Those apnay who fought for foreign kings/queens in foreign lands for foreign agendas, whilst Panjab was in dire need of their presence and protection don't fall into that category in my eyes. They are just sepoys who chose barhlaay agendas to affiliate themselves too over their own brothers and sisters. The carnage of partition at least partially is on their heads. And we can't ignore the fact that goray chose the most uneducated and probably quite financially desperate people to target for their propaganda, so it those terms, what happened can be partially explained. What we don't want is a repeat of that! 

In the UK, unskilled juts have now been largely skilled thanks to the pioneering efforts of the craftsmen of the panth. They no longer have to join dubious wars or organisations to survive. This is just some of the phal of nonjut leadership. And it is only just the beginning. 

Really, when comes to leadership, we want to return to the original meritocracy of the Khalsa. Frankly speaking, that caste based approach that was especially promoted by brits for their own agenda doesn't cut it, not least of all in the 21st century. 

Wake the hell up Singho. 

 

Go lead Dally!

Show us how it's done!!

Go back home and lead from there. When I mean home that is Punjab not Nairobi Kenya. 

[dallysingh101 1,700]

1 minute ago, Ranjeet01 said:

Go lead Dally!

Show us how it's done!!

Go back home and lead from there. When I mean home that is Punjab not Nairobi Kenya. 

Where I'm at, is home. I've told your bhangra paaing self my family is not from Africa a dozen times now, and like a defeated phudhu that's all you have to fall back on when all your arguments are exposed for the horse-tutti that they are - actually, let me take that back, and not do such a disservice to poor old horse-tutti, because at least horse-tutti is very useful to recondition and re-fertilise soil, and so serves some useful purpose, unlike anything you've ever come out with. 

Why do I need to go back and lead, when your own mob over there are doing such a grand job already.........<cough, cough> That's why everyone is rushing to join them........

For the conscious, freedom loving, intelligent UK brothers out there, these niggly things we have to talk about are going to upset some no doubt, and caste is the number one way outsiders have used us in the past to serve their ends, to our own detriment. And they did target specific castes, and not for the flattering reasons they put out there. You should be sharp enough to see what I'm doing here. It's a tough job to try and spark brains that have been getting carefully brainwashed for a century and a half, by some of the most manipulative people at that too. It's got to be done regardless though.  

Ultimately, we have our own independent destiny as a panth, and part of that involves making sure bahurlay bundhay don't manipulate, use, indoctrinate and even try and destroy us. These things are much bigger than any jaat-paat pride anyone can ever have. I'm sure at least a few of you get this. 

[Ranjeet01 1,499]

3 minutes ago, dallysingh101 said:

Where I'm at, is home. I've told your bhangra paaing self my family is not from Africa a dozen times now, and like a defeated phudhu that's all you have to fall back on when all your arguments are exposed for the horse-tutti that they are - actually, let me take that back, and not do such a disservice to poor old horse-tutti, because at least horse-tutti is very useful to recondition and re-fertilise soil, and so serves some useful purpose, unlike anything you've ever come out with. 

Why do I need to go back and lead, when your own mob over there are doing such a grand job already.........<cough, cough> That's why everyone is rushing to join them........

For the conscious, freedom loving, intelligent UK brothers out there, these niggly things we have to talk about are going to upset some no doubt, and caste is the number one way outsiders have used us in the past to serve their ends, to our own detriment. And they did target specific castes, and not for the flattering reasons they put out there. You should be sharp enough to see what I'm doing here. It's a tough job to try and spark brains that have been getting carefully brainwashed for a century and a half, by some of the most manipulative people at that too. It's got to be done regardless though.  

Ultimately, we have our own independent destiny as a panth, and part of that involves making sure bahurlay bundhay don't manipulate, use, indoctrinate and even try and destroy us. These things are much bigger than any jaat-paat pride anyone can ever have. I'm sure at least a few of you get this. 

I thought you hate UK so much so why you call it home? 

Kenyan Tharkhans like yourself (and it so bleedingly obvious you are one )clearly have this vitriol against us unparh knuckle scrapping dumb farmers. 

Parrhe lokh don't go about doing street violence like you are so keen to instigate for whatever street cred you want to get.

Our people are very much clued up, they just keep quiet and get on with their business. 

These are the silent majority you won't hear about. They are increasingly office/white collar types who do things in a white collar ways like opening up Sikh schools , volunteering to help out the homeless, setting up charities and Sikh prisoners. Setting up lobby groups like Sikh federation to put pressure/influence on the government and parties to get more Sikh MPs. (Look at what the labour party did to the Ilford South candidate , that is your local area )

You insult all these Sikhs who are sticking their neck out trying to improve the situation of the panth by calling them pappus/phudus etc. A lot of them come from that farming lot. 

You don't need to spark their brains,  they have enough brains to do the things they know they need to get done.

[Not2Cool2Argue 479]

Hindsight is always 20/20

51 minutes ago, dallysingh101 said:

Ultimately, we have our own independent destiny as a panth, and part of that involves making sure bahurlay bundhay don't manipulate, use, indoctrinate and even try and destroy us. These things are much bigger than any jaat-paat pride anyone can ever have. I'm sure at least a few of you get this. 

During gore times. The only way to get weapons and training was through the british army. They had confisticated all kirpans and allowed no training. So those who used to be faujis were the most able to protect themselves and others during 47. 

And most even simple farmers did alot to protect themselves and land. They say the jallandhar and amritsar area was full of muslims but Sikhs managed to kick them out without losing that land to them. Ofc some sikhs went overboard butchering even minority, innocent muslims in their pinds.

The sikhs most at risk were those traveling from pakistan to india. They shouldve formed bands but as they were reluctant to leave land behind, they did at last resort and so were disorganized.

Some sikhs like in rawalpindi and mountainous areas killed there womenfolk. All did what they could, it was a time of chaos. In these times, no plans or forethought help. So best not to be caught up in these things. For which we can only blame our leaders. 

As to ppl who joined army. They say the brits said help us fight the germans and we would give india independence so a lot of indians helped with recruitment. Ofc we can say they shouldnt be so gullible. But sitting at home wasnt gonna give independence. Better to try and fail.And once gore tried to weasel out of the agreement, they faced backlash and had to do it. And joining the british was propagandized as being desh bhagats. 

Also most sikhs were used to being in maharaja ranjit singhs army. And being laid off was hard. But even modern western ppl, like the guy who wrote saragarhi was the coolest battle ever, couldnt understand how sikhs could fight for their enemy a mere 30 to 50 years later. 

I dont either. But i think it had to do with our panjabi ppls ability to survive. Most panjabis who were born in india have a ruthlessness. Even amritdharis and they can put religion and other considerations to the side to get ahead. And sikhi wasnt a big presence in pinds. My dad says that his local pind gurudwara used to do katha of ramayan only. The gurudwaras were run by mahants and so anything went. 

Also they say the way a circus performer gets lions to listen to him is by targetting the lowest lion in the heirarchy. And when the alphas see the lowest lion performing tricks and getting treats. The alphas will follow and do the same tricks to not be left behind and seem weak. And traitors are also those people that have the lowest position or most to gain by downfall of current empire.

So to keep our kaum safe, we have to make sure that there are no low people. No poor people, no mistreated ppl, and that all are educated. 

As for jutts being british loyal followers. The jutts think of the urban people as indian puppets. During 84, not many urbanites joined bhindrawale protests not the khalistani movements afterwards. When santji would say we sikhs are 2nd class citizens, the urbanites would deny it and claim to.their hindu neighbors and bosses that santji was just agitating and not to be taken seriously. When santji would say all sikhs should have weapons and be tyaar bir tyaar,.the urbanites ignored him. When the delhi riots happened, only then did the city folks wake up. They became anti-India. And saw santji as a hero and realized the importance of weapons and khalistan. 

Some sikhs i know were glad that delhi riots happened. Its a terrible position to hold as the rapes and tire burnings are sickening. I do not agree with them but i see why they think so. Because it finally woke up the other sikh communities and got them on th same page. Although even now some sikhs who lived outside of panjab,.hate santji and say all they did was create hatred of sikhs and create sikh terrotists. I dont blame them for thinking like this. They only got the news from panjab that was censored and propaganda. And they felt the discrimination and hardship.of living surrounded by hindus after 84 happened. 

That is what terrifies me. That we sikhs dont act with unity and dont take into account how our actions will hurt sikhs elsewhere. And other sikhs are just worried about their livelihood and not supporting sikh struggles elsewhere. It is disunity like this that makes some sikhs glad of atrocities like delhi riots. When we have big divisions like this, who needs enemies? 

Now sikhs are in all countries and joining any military or supporting army action,.sikhs have to take this into account. We have to support sikhs in afghanistaan, hong kong etc.

Sikhs are good about helping sikhs in trouble. But we dont have the collaboration to help sikhs in war or chaos. We should form networks between different sikh communitties worldwide. So that whem WW3 happens we know what is the best position for sikhs. 

Because as patroitism and nationalism is on the rise. If war happens our host countries like US,.canada,.and uk are gonna demand we fight for them to show our loyalty. Or they may round us up like japanese in US in WW2 or kick us out like burma did, or hate us like jews were. So we as sikhs should already decide, what to do. Like if war between US and china/Russia/Iran. And india joins the china alliance,.where so.we sikhs stand? 

 

 

 

 

[Not2Cool2Argue 479]

As for the kurds. They say turkey told the US to stop supporting them or Turkey will join the Russia/Iran alliance. So america agreed. And as kurds are in many different countries and dont get along amongst themselves.

 

[GurjantGnostic 525]

47 minutes ago, Not2Cool2Argue said:

As for the kurds. They say turkey told the US to stop supporting them or Turkey will join the Russia/Iran alliance. So america agreed. And as kurds are in many different countries and dont get along amongst themselves.

 

Turkey is already with Iran and Russia. How the US pretends otherwise is beyond me.  They literally kill us troops on site given the chance. Tending to suffocate or stab or both. 

Whether we are also allied with Russia, Iran and Turkey to destabilise and invade the middle east is yet to be seen. 

Kurds have been used and discarded twice now however and we better be done in the middle east because our best allies must be alienated by now having had self determination dangled in front of them twice while their women kick the outa Isis, whoever that even is. The funding suggests it isn't some random jihadis, that's a world funded mercenary army. 

[dallysingh101 1,700]

2 hours ago, Ranjeet01 said:

I thought you hate UK so much so why you call it home? 

Kenyan Tharkhans like yourself (and it so bleedingly obvious you are one )clearly have this vitriol against us unparh knuckle scrapping dumb farmers. 

Parrhe lokh don't go about doing street violence like you are so keen to instigate for whatever street cred you want to get.

Our people are very much clued up, they just keep quiet and get on with their business. 

These are the silent majority you won't hear about. They are increasingly office/white collar types who do things in a white collar ways like opening up Sikh schools , volunteering to help out the homeless, setting up charities and Sikh prisoners. Setting up lobby groups like Sikh federation to put pressure/influence on the government and parties to get more Sikh MPs. (Look at what the labour party did to the Ilford South candidate , that is your local area )

You insult all these Sikhs who are sticking their neck out trying to improve the situation of the panth by calling them pappus/phudus etc. A lot of them come from that farming lot. 

You don't need to spark their brains,  they have enough brains to do the things they know they need to get done.

You just keep obfuscating don't you. 

This is nothing to do with one race/community. We've had our lesson from the brits, so we make sure we don't let that happen again. 

The lesson is an important one and can apply to any other devious quom that tries to use us in future. I know you're trying to be devious, because no one can be slow as you are making out in terms of what I am saying we should be vigilant for, should things get tasty. 

It's simple rajniti. Something we lost after 'annexation' that our ancestors had previously. Stop denying it. They knew full well that the communities survival depended on our own ability to look after ourselves. It's clearly the inferior education system (with its demilitarisation and depoliticisation) that was imposed upon apnay, and the subsequent dumbing down that took place after 'annexation' that made us lose this basic understanding.

This isn't to do with any racial thing, but a political cultural thing. Ruling elites in the UK don't seem to have any qualms with feeding their own working classes to the wolves either by the looks of it. But it's our duty to try and keep our panth safe. It's simple logic that we can't do anything for anyone else (should we even want to) if we can't safeguard ourselves. 

Other quoms can be infinitely more ruthless and cold blooded than apnay can be collectively. That's a fact we can't afford to ignore. These Kurdish situation perfectly illustrates that. Our ancestors understood these things intuitively and through experience, and did a blinding job in counteracting this given the hard situation they were in. You don't even seem to be able to rise about your caste pride worse than any Hindu I've met. 

 

[GurjantGnostic 525]

Self determination, land rights, water rights are of the utmost importance, as is having the understanding of how to farm said land, and make textile and medicinal use of it. The world is laboring under opression, and too many of us good people have been used and miseducated by the evil of Empire. 

We can all respect what our ancestors did out of necessity, but their virtues were misused. I think we should thank the ancestors for getting us this far, but our families were meant to work for themselves not serve global white power, miseducation, opression and greed. We were born to be self determined and serve Vaheguru as stewards of this place. 

They will use natural disaster and threats of terrorism, combined with pitting races against each other based on a fake view of the worlds resource situation to keep us tied up until it's over. We can try to fight from inside the system, but when all parties are party to it?  Good luck. We need Jathas and cooperation between Jathas, and we should value first Bani, and second, all knowledge of thriving in this place. If we don't have our own dentists we wont have any soon etc.

Other than Jaap Naam and watch the bombs fall, I can't really see much to do other than replace the governments, or our need for geovernments, with our own collaborative family groups. 

[Ranjeet01 1,499]

19 minutes ago, dallysingh101 said:

You just keep obfuscating don't you. 

This is nothing to do with one race/community. We've had our lesson from the brits, so we make sure we don't let that happen again. 

The lesson is an important one and can apply to any other devious quom that tries to use us in future. I know you're trying to be devious, because no one can be slow as you are making out in terms of what I am saying we should be vigilant for, should things get tasty. 

It's simple rajniti. Something we lost after 'annexation' that our ancestors had previously. Stop denying it. They knew full well that the communities survival depended on our own ability to look after ourselves. It's clearly the inferior education system (with its demilitarisation and depoliticisation) that was imposed upon apnay, and the subsequent dumbing down that took place after 'annexation' that made us lose this basic understanding.

This isn't to do with any racial thing, but a political cultural thing. Ruling elites in the UK don't seem to have any qualms with feeding their own working classes to the wolves either by the looks of it. But it's our duty to try and keep our panth safe. It's simple logic that we can't do anything for anyone else (should we even want to) if we can't safeguard ourselves. 

Other quoms can be infinitely more ruthless and cold blooded than apnay can be collectively. That's a fact we can't afford to ignore. These Kurdish situation perfectly illustrates that. Our ancestors understood these things intuitively and through experience, and did a blinding job in counteracting this given the hard situation they were in. You don't even seem to be able to rise about your caste pride worse than any Hindu I've met. 

 

What caste pride do I have?

Only Juts have caste pride?

Let's get back to the question of Kurds.

Instead of looking at the situation from the filter of only British colonialism and caste, what do you actually understand about the whole situation of the Kurds in it's entirety?

Do you understand the history of the Kurds, their relationship with the Ottoman Empire, their role in exterminating the Armenians from Eastern Anatolia (1915 genocide) the carving up of former Ottoman lands (sandjuks) in the picot sykes agreement. The effect of the Lausanne Treaty between Greece and Turkey. The role of the Young Turks and Ataturk.

The relationships of the Kurds in the 4 countries I have mentioned with Shias/Sunni Arabs/Turks in those respective countries.

The relationships and groups within those Kurdish groups, the demographic changes in Turkey.

The effect of Erdogan and his family's relationship with the intention of supporting ISIS so that the gas/oil pipelines can be transmitted through Turkey.

That is just the tip of the iceberg.

There are whole geopolitical implications here that involve Iran, Iraq, Eastern Med, Russia, parts of the caucuses, even parts of the Balkans are impacted.

It is very complex and far more nuanced.

Compared to that, subcontinental politics is a picnic.

You'd be really shocked to see the level of hatred between these people. A real eye opener.

You might make some synergies with struggles of our panth with the Kurds but that is an over-simplification. 

If you want to do rajniti, you have to understand everything in it's entirety and not what suits us.

 

 

 

[Ranjeet01 1,499]

Erdogan in June 2015:

“I’m addressing the whole world. Whatever the cost it might be, we will never allow a state established in Northern Syria”

Why does he not want a Kurdish state in Northern Syria? I know why, does anybody know why?

[Ranjeet01 1,499]

Thread from an Albanian friend of mine (Albania is a formerly part of the Ottoman Empire in the Balkans) so he has far better understanding than I ever will.
There are aspects that can be related to our people and the history of partition (but this guy does not like Greeks or Turks very much), but I suspect if you ask a Greek he may have different point of view:


 Okay thread.

Topic:

TURKEY HAS "LEGAL RIGHT" TO ETHNIC CLEANSE THE KURDS.

Not a joke.

1/

 During the disintegration of the Ottoman Empire, ethnic groups were spread out across the empire.

Once ethnic states started to appear with the creation of Greece by Germans in 1827, a chain reaction ensued across Ottoman Rumelia (aka Land of Romans), the mess started.

2/
 Long story short, Bulgaria, Serbia, Romania, Montenegro, Albania, Turkey etc were created over the course of 100 years from the Roman Revolution in 1822, now known as the Greek Revolution.

3/ During these 100 years, from 1822 to 1923, (literally 101 years), was to find a way to pinpoint all borders in order to avoid ethnic conflicts, within each new ethnic state multiple ethnicities resided, which itself had multiple religions, which was normal for the ottomans.

4/
 There were Orthodox Greeks and Muslim Greeks, orthodox bulgarians and muslim bulgarians, orthodox serbs and muslim serbs, orthodox albanians and muslim albanians, orthodox turks and muslim turks.

And all were spread UNEVENLY across the collapsing empire.

5/
 In the meantime what we now call Western Europe, was going through an ethnic consolidation as well, as German elite was trying to create Unified Germany, which they achieved in 1871, excluding the Austrians, who refused to be Germans.

6/ Long story short, by late 1870s onward, Ottoman elite was getting together with the western elite, aka Big Powers, to solve the mess.

It started with Congress of Berlin in 1878, then Treaty of London in 1913, it ended with Lausanne Treaty in 1923.

7/ During these years, Balkan Wars occurred and the weakest links were sacrificed to achieve some kind of managed peace in the Balkans.

It started with Otto von Bismarck, the first Chancellor of the unified Germany declaring:

"The Albanian nation does NOT exist".

8/
 So, the only way to find any solution was to assert that X nation does NOT exist at all or does not exist in X area, there was no other way.

9/
 So, that is what they did.

What is now called Greece, it used to be a mixture of Greeks, Albanians, Bulgarians, Vlachs (Romanians) and Turks.

Baaaaam, nobody else exists, only Greeks. Decision made.

10/
 The only reason that Albanians now exist, is because at last moment a Hungarian prince raised the issue with the Austro-Hungarian emperor, that if Albanians do not exist, then Serbia/Russia would have access to the Adriatic.

The Emperor freaked out. Albanians exist he said.

11/
 Long story short, after 101 years, all comes down to the Lausanne Treaty in 1923 between Greece and Turkey.

12/
 In the Lausanne Treaty, it was codified the practice of deciding whether a nation exists or not.

Venizellos and Mustafa Kemal, one orthodox greek and the other muslim greek (Ataturk spoke greek fluently), simply decided that any orthodox was Greek and any muslim was Turk.

13/
 So, within Greece, per Lausanne Treaty now codified as international treaty supported by big powers, all orthodox were forced to be hellenized, all albanians, bulgarians, vlachs and turks.

14/
 Per the treaty as well, codified as international law, anybody inside Turkey, whether turks, greek, albanian, bulgarian, or ....KURDISH, simply did not exist, there were only Turks in Turkey.

15/
 Hence per the treaty, anybody had to be Turkified, like in Greece anybody had to be hellenized.

The problem here, and I understood this by reading Taleb saying "scale matters", the problem is that it takes long time to Hellenize and Turkify large populations.

16/
 Based on past practice now codified in international law, Greece and Turkey intensified now openly what they say "population exchange", which was LEGAL MUTUAL ETHNIC CLEANSING, now codified in international law.

17/ Greece, per the law, ethnic cleansed all muslims from Greece, except for the ones in Thrace, which was part of the treaty.
 

Turkey per the law ethnic cleansed all orthodox from Turkey, except the ones in Constantinople, which was part of the treaty, they moved to Greece.

18/

These ethnic cleansing did not happen instantly, it took decades to be completed, literally decades.

In 1945, Greece ethnic cleansed "muslims" from Chameria per the Lausanne Treaty, they were all Albanians.

19/

Yugoslavia, made a deal with Turkey in the 1960s to have about 400k "muslims" moved to Turkey.

The offer from Ankara was 1 horse for 3 muslims (no joke, as they were all Albanians).

The serbs replied: take them all for free, as long as all albanians leave.

20/

The tricky part of this one is that Turkey wanted these 400k Albanians to displace the Kurds in East Turkey.

Of course Albanians refused, they settle in West Turkey. So, the plan to ethnic cleanse the Kurds by use of Albanians, failed.

21/

In 1999 Abdullah Ocalan, Kurdish fighter against Turkey was arrested in Kenya after the Greek government delivered him into the hands of the Turkish gov, fully complying with the Lausanne Treaty.

22/

So, as you see, it is Turkey's right legally, per lausanne treaty, to ethnic cleanse the Kurds.

23/

The only difference here is USA.

USA does NOT recognize international treaties which come against its interest, it is in the US constitution.

Hence, USA disregarded the Treaty of London of 1913 giving Kosovo to Yugoslavia, simply invaded KS away from Serbia.

24/

USA is disregarding Lausanne Treaty as well now, by organizing the Kurds together against Turkey. It takes time, but they will do it, as Turkey is now basically an enemy. 
Give it 20-25 years, just like with Kosovo.

25/

END

 

 

[Ranjeet01 1,499]

Here is some history about the Ottomans. They were a turkic people like the Mughals. 

Like the Mughals who bred with Rajput women, the Ottomans did the same with the locally conquered women:

https://www.thoughtco.com/ottoman-sultans-were-not-very-turkish-195760

[Ranjeet01 1,499]

The US are only the in Syria region because they had their arms twisted to get rid of ISIS.

The reason? Because Russia was there doing that job.

Russia was good buddies with Asad's regime and they are allied with Iran. USA are not on good terms with Iranian regime and wants to get rid of them.

Asad is Druze (they are a Shia sect) and this minority rules Syria which has a Sunni majority as well as your regular Shias and Christians.

There is no way that the US wants Iran to have influence in the region. Lebanon has a very large Shia  population,  that is where Hezbollah come from and they have traditionally allied with Syria regime and Iran (Shia boys united). Hezbollah rule South Lebanon and have given Israel loads of grief in the past.

Saudi cannot stand Iran and they don't like Syria. They want to play a part in dismantling Iran's influence. ISIS has had a lot of their insurgents from Saudi, they want to get rid of Asad.

Iran in turn supports the Houti rebels (Shias in Yemen) and Shia majority areas in Saudi which is coincidently where Saudi's oil fields are based.

Iraq which is now run by Shia's in the south and Kurds in the north. Saddam Hussain was Sunni and the Iraqi Sunni are no longer in power.  That is where a lot of ISIS support comes from as well as Saudi and as well as Turkey who also hate Syria. They think Israel is complicit in this as they all have common interests. 

So you have Syrian regime + Iran + Hezbollah + Yemeni Houthis + Iraqi Shias + Russia vs Saudi+ Israel + Turkey.

Turkey has been growing it's Islamic ness in the last few decades and with Erdogan are flexing their muscles, they want to be Ottomans again.

The Ottoman Empire controlled large parts of the Middle East and controlled Mecca and Medina, Islam's holy sites.

Iraq is controlled in the north by the Kurds. Kurds are not Arabs, they are an Iranian speaking people.

It is a de-facto Kurdish republic. The pisses off the Turks because they do not want their Kurds in Turkey to get any ideas. Also there is a lot of oil in the Kurdish controlled Iraq.

With instability in Syria and the Asad regime not being in total control, it means that there is a vacuum in power. It stands to reason that the Kurds in Syria will fight back against ISIS and it stands to reason that the Kurds in Iraq will support them. So you end up with two Kurdish controlled regions. One in Iraq and one in Syria.

The Turks are s****** themselves. What happens if these two regions become one breakaway country? They have oil too. The Kurds in Turkey will want to breakaway.

(The govt in Turkey don't like calling the Kurds Kurds, they want to call them Mountain Turks.)

The only thing they don't have is the pipelines to export it. That is why Turkey was interested,  they can control that area and build oil pipelines to the Mediterranean so they can export the oil.

Erdogan's family is complicit in the traffiking of the oil supplies.

Turkey's Turk population is experiencing a serious decline, the Kurds have a higher birth rate therefore the Turks are scared that the Kurds may become a majority. 

What I have explained so far is far too simple and it goes beyond even that.

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The Kurds back in 16th/17th century were part of the Safavid Empire (modern Iran now) . The Ottomans were the enemy of Safavids. 

They switched allegiance to Safavids and helped the Ottomans get Eastern Anatolia (that is Eastern Turkey). This is what was part of Armenia. Armenia is Christian.

So where the Kurds are now in Turkey was historically Armenian lands.

The Armenians hate the Turks. I would also imagine that much of the Turks in the Eastern Turkey are converted Armenians. 

The Kurds were also instrumental in helping the Turks massacre 1.5 million Armenians in 1915 in a mass genocide.

This is one genocide that the Turks deny.

The Kurds never had their own nation it was part of some other empire and it seems that they were not particularly loyal either and their hands were not clean.