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I had thought that we were still in Kal Yug, but now I personally believe that we have well passed Kal Yug and are infact in Dwapaur Yug, for various reasons. I want to ask if Sikhi says anything on when Kal Yug will end, or if Sikhi is somehow against the fact that we are in Dwapaur Yug now. 

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I think we are still in the early stages of kaljug, maharaj has written in nehkalank Avtar what will  happen in kaljug, some of it is happening now but more will come in the later years. 
 

Plus I’m sure Khalsa Raj will come in kalyug, I think it will last 14,000 years and be a mini satyug within kalyug. Then it’ll go back to kalyug again. Then Kalika will change the time back to satyug. 

Didn’t kaljug come to guru Nanak dev ji and explained it’s his raaj. I doubt kalyug is already over within 400 years. 

 

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29 minutes ago, puzzled said:

Bani says we are in kalyug 

Definitely kalyug brother. Lol. I'd say I feel you, and totally agree on that, but I know you're quoting Bani and what we think is beside the point. 

1 hour ago, kidsama said:

I had thought that we were still in Kal Yug, but now I personally believe that we have well passed Kal Yug and are infact in Dwapaur Yug, for various reasons. I want to ask if Sikhi says anything on when Kal Yug will end, or if Sikhi is somehow against the fact that we are in Dwapaur Yug now. 

I am genuinely very curious though, and I can tell you must have thought on that, care to share what makes you see things that way?

44 minutes ago, 1Anonymous1 said:

I think we are still in the early stages of kaljug, maharaj has written in nehkalank Avtar what will  happen in kaljug, some of it is happening now but more will come in the later years. 
 

Plus I’m sure Khalsa Raj will come in kalyug, I think it will last 14,000 years and be a mini satyug within kalyug. Then it’ll go back to kalyug again. Then Kalika will change the time back to satyug. 

Didn’t kaljug come to guru Nanak dev ji and explained it’s his raaj. I doubt kalyug is already over within 400 years. 

 

Also very curious Veer Ji what sources you're drawing from?

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19 minutes ago, GurjantGnostic said:

Definitely kalyug brother. Lol. I'd say I feel you, and totally agree on that, but I know you're quoting Bani and what we think is beside the point. 

I am genuinely very curious though, and I can tell you must have thought on that, care to share what makes you see things that way?

Also very curious Veer Ji what sources you're drawing from?

Karni Nama about Khalsa Raj 

gurprataap suraj Granth 

I remember it from a Katha I heard of Giani sheer Singh 

bhai Rama Singh Ji’s vision of Khalsa Raj in their book “manmukh to Gurmukh” is where most of the info is from. 

also just various kathas and speaking to singhs. 

sorry I can’t give exact sources just what I can remember from the top of my head 

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1 minute ago, 1Anonymous1 said:

Karni Nama about Khalsa Raj 

gurprataap suraj Granth 

I remember it from a Katha I heard of Giani sheer Singh 

bhai Rama Singh Ji’s vision of Khalsa Raj in their book “manmukh to Gurmukh” is where most of the info is from. 

also just various kathas and speaking to singhs. 

sorry I can’t give exact sources just what I can remember from the top of my head 

Shukria Veer Ji. What little Dasam Granth Ji Bani I've read has blown my mind, and instilled a great interest into that side of Sikhia. 

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I sometimes have this strange thought. What if we are in the yugs are existing simultaneously?

Maybe the yugs are contextual? 

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I’ve also heard that the 4 jugs are a mental thing. Satjug being the time when you are doing simran or bani with dhiyaan, then slowly getting into treta when coming to the end of your nitnem, dwapur is once you’ve finished your nitnem and now doing other things but you are still in a little way connecting to bani, kalyug is when you’re constantly ingrained in thoughts and attacked by 5 chor. 
 

Those that have ajapa jaap simran happening in their body 24/7 through immense jaap and gurprsaad are constantly in satyug. Which is how we can all be living in the same time frame, however mentally living in different jugs. 
 

bhul chuk maaf. 

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ਚਾਰਿ ਜੁਗਿ ਕਰਿ ਥਾਪਨਾ ਸਤਿਜੁਗ ਤ੍ਰੇਤਾ ਦੁਆਪਰੁ ਸਾਜੇ।

Chaari Jugi Kari Daapanaa Satijugu Traytaa Duaapar Saajay |

The four Ages (yugs) were established and the first three were given names Satyug, Treta, Dvapar. Fourth one was Kaliyug.

ਵਾਰਾਂ ਭਾਈ ਗੁਰਦਾਸ : ਵਾਰ ੧ ਪਉੜੀ ੫ ਪੰ. ੧

ਚਉਥਾ ਕਲਿਜੁਗ ਥਾਪਿਆ ਚਾਰਿ ਵਰਨਿ ਚਾਰੋਂ ਕੇ ਰਾਜੇ।

Chauthaa Kalijugu Daapiaa Chaari Varani Chaaron Kay Raajay |

And four castes came to be known as the kings of four ages. Brahmin, kshatriya, vaishya and sudhra became predominate in each age.

ਵਾਰਾਂ ਭਾਈ ਗੁਰਦਾਸ : ਵਾਰ ੧ ਪਉੜੀ ੫ ਪੰ. ੨

ਬ੍ਰਹਮਣ, ਛਤ੍ਰੀ, ਵੈਸ, ਸੂਦ੍ਰ, ਜੁਗੁ ਜੁਗੁ ਏਕੋ ਵਰਨ ਬਿਰਾਜੇ।

Brahamani Chhatree Vaisi Soodri Jugu Jugu Ayko Varan Biraajay |

In Satiyug, Vishnu is said to have come to earth as Hansavaar and explained the problems pertaining to

ਵਾਰਾਂ ਭਾਈ ਗੁਰਦਾਸ : ਵਾਰ ੧ ਪਉੜੀ ੫ ਪੰ. ੩

ਸਤਿਜੁਗਿ ਹੰਸ ਅਉਤਾਰੁ ਧਰਿ ਸੋਹੰ ਬ੍ਰਹਮ ਨ ਦੂਜਾ ਪਾਜੇ।

Satijugi Hansu Autaaru Dhari Sohan Brahamu N Doojaa Paajay |

metaphysics (The story is there in the eleventh canto of the Bhagvat Purana), and nothing but one soham-Brahm was discussed and pondered upon.

ਵਾਰਾਂ ਭਾਈ ਗੁਰਦਾਸ : ਵਾਰ ੧ ਪਉੜੀ ੫ ਪੰ. ੪

ਏਕੋ ਬ੍ਰਹਮੁ ਵਖਾਣੀਐ ਮੋਹ ਮਾਇਆ ਤੇ ਬੇਮੁਹਤਾਜੇ।

Ayko Brahamu Vakhaaneeai Moh Maaiaa Tay Baymuhataajay |

Getting indifferent to maya, people would praise one Lord.

ਵਾਰਾਂ ਭਾਈ ਗੁਰਦਾਸ : ਵਾਰ ੧ ਪਉੜੀ ੫ ਪੰ. ੫

ਕਰਨਿ ਤਪਸਿਆ ਬਨਿ ਵਿਖੈ ਵਖਤ ਗੁਜਾਰਨਿ ਪਿੰਨੀ ਸਾਗੇ।

Karani Tapasiaa Bani Vikhai Vakhatu Gujaarani Pinnee Saagay |

They would go to forests and pull on life by eating natural vegetations.

ਵਾਰਾਂ ਭਾਈ ਗੁਰਦਾਸ : ਵਾਰ ੧ ਪਉੜੀ ੫ ਪੰ. ੬

ਲਖ ਵਰ੍ਹਿਆ ਦੀ ਆਰਜਾ ਕੋਠੇ ਕੋਟਿ ਨ ਮੰਦਿਰ ਸਾਜੇ।

lakh I Varhiaan Dee Aarajaa Kothhay Koti N Mandari Saajay |

Though they lived for lacs of years but they would construct the palaces, forts and grand mansions.

ਵਾਰਾਂ ਭਾਈ ਗੁਰਦਾਸ : ਵਾਰ ੧ ਪਉੜੀ ੫ ਪੰ. ੭

ਇਕ ਬਿਨਸੈ ਇਕ ਅਸਥਿਰੁ ਗਾਜੇ ॥੫॥

Ik Binasai Ik Asadiru Gaajay ||5 ||

On the one hand the world was passing away and on the other the life current would go stably.

ਵਾਰਾਂ ਭਾਈ ਗੁਰਦਾਸ : ਵਾਰ ੧ ਪਉੜੀ ੫ ਪੰ. ੮

ਤ੍ਰੇਤੇ ਛਤ੍ਰੀ ਰੂਪ ਧਰਿ ਸੂਰਜ ਬੰਸੀ ਵਡਿ ਅਵਤਾਰਾ।

Traytay Chhatree Roop Dhari Sooraj Bansee Vadi Avataaraa |

In Treta in the Sun-dynasty descended in the form of the kshatriya(Ram) a great incarnation.

ਵਾਰਾਂ ਭਾਈ ਗੁਰਦਾਸ : ਵਾਰ ੧ ਪਉੜੀ ੬ ਪੰ. ੧

ਨਉ ਹਿਸੇ ਗਈ ਆਰਜਾ ਮਾਇਆ ਮੋਹੁ ਅਹੰਕਾਰੁ ਪਸਾਰਾ।

Nau Hisay Gaee Aarajaa Maaiaa Mohu Ahankaaru Pasaaraa |

Now the nine portions of age lessened and illusion,attachment and ego inflated.

ਵਾਰਾਂ ਭਾਈ ਗੁਰਦਾਸ : ਵਾਰ ੧ ਪਉੜੀ ੬ ਪੰ. ੨

ਦੁਆਪੁਰਿ ਜਾਦਵ ਵੇਸ ਕਰਿ ਜੁਗਿ ਜੁਗਿ ਅਉਧ ਘਟੈ ਆਚਾਰਾ।

Duaapuri Jaadav Vans Kari Jugi Jugi Audh Ghatai Aachaaraa |

In Dvapar, Yadav-dynasty came to the forefront i.e. the incarnation of Krsna became known to the people; but because of the lack of good conduct, Age by Age, the life span(of man) went on decreasing.

ਵਾਰਾਂ ਭਾਈ ਗੁਰਦਾਸ : ਵਾਰ ੧ ਪਉੜੀ ੬ ਪੰ. ੩

ਰਿਗ ਬੇਦ ਮਹਿ ਬ੍ਰਹਮ ਕ੍ਰਿਤਿ ਪੂਰਬ ਮੁਖਿ ਸੁਭ ਕਰਮ ਬਿਚਾਰਾ।

Rig Bayd Mahi Braham Kriti Poorab Mukhi Subh Karam Bichaaraa |

In the Rgveda the conduct of the brahmin and the ideas about the actions done facing the East were discussed.

ਵਾਰਾਂ ਭਾਈ ਗੁਰਦਾਸ : ਵਾਰ ੧ ਪਉੜੀ ੬ ਪੰ. ੫

ਖਤ੍ਰੀ ਥਾਪੇ ਜੁਜਰੁ ਵੇਦਿ ਦੇਖਣ ਮੁਖਿ ਬਹੁ ਦਾਨ ਦਾਤਾਰਾ।

Khatree Daapay Jujaru Vaydi Daykhan Mukhi Bahu Daan Daataraa |

Kshatriyas became related to the Yajurveda and started pouring charities while facing the South.

ਵਾਰਾਂ ਭਾਈ ਗੁਰਦਾਸ : ਵਾਰ ੧ ਪਉੜੀ ੬ ਪੰ. ੫

ਵੈਸੋਂ ਥਾਪਿਆ ਸਿਆਮ ਵੇਦੁ ਪਛਮ ਮੁਖਿ ਕਰਿ ਸੀਸੁ ਨਿਵਾਰਾ।

Vaison Daapiaa Siaam Vaydu Pachhamu Mukhi Kari Seesu Nivaaraa |

The vaishyas embraced the Samaveda and bowed to the West.

ਵਾਰਾਂ ਭਾਈ ਗੁਰਦਾਸ : ਵਾਰ ੧ ਪਉੜੀ ੬ ਪੰ. ੬

ਰਿਗਿ ਨੀਲੰਬਰਿ ਜੁਜਰ ਪੀਤ ਸ੍ਵੇਤੰਬਰਿ ਕਰਿ ਸਿਆਮ ਸੁਧਾਰਾ।

Rigi Neelabari Jujar Peet Saytanbari Kari Siaam Sudhaaraa |

Blue dress for Rgveda, yellow for Yajurveda and for singing of the hymns of Samaveda wearing of the white dress became a tradition.

ਵਾਰਾਂ ਭਾਈ ਗੁਰਦਾਸ : ਵਾਰ ੧ ਪਉੜੀ ੬ ਪੰ. ੭

ਤ੍ਰਿਹੁ ਜੁਗੀ ਤ੍ਰੈ ਧਰਮ ਉਚਾਰਾ ॥੬॥

Trihu Jugee Trai Dharam Uchaaraa ||6 ||

Thus three duties of the three Ages were enunciated.

ਵਾਰਾਂ ਭਾਈ ਗੁਰਦਾਸ : ਵਾਰ ੧ ਪਉੜੀ ੬ ਪੰ. ੮

ਕਲਿਜੁਗ ਚਉਥਾ ਥਾਪਿਆ ਸੂਦ੍ਰ ਬਿਰਤਿ ਜਗ ਮਹਿ ਵਰਤਾਈ।

Kalijugu Chauthaa Daapiaa Soodr Birati Jag Mahi Varataaee |

Kalijug became prevalent as the fourth age in which the low instincts gripped the whole world.

ਵਾਰਾਂ ਭਾਈ ਗੁਰਦਾਸ : ਵਾਰ ੧ ਪਉੜੀ ੭ ਪੰ. ੧

ਕਰਮ ਸੁ ਰਿਗਿ ਜੁਜਰ ਸਿਆਮ ਕੇ ਕਰੇ ਜਗਤੁ ਰਿਦਿ ਬਹੁ ਸੁਕਚਾਈ।

Karam Su Rigi Jujar Siaam Kay Karay Jagatu Ridi Bahu Sukachaaee |

People became resultant in performing of the duties enjoined in the Rig, Yajur and Samaveda.

ਵਾਰਾਂ ਭਾਈ ਗੁਰਦਾਸ : ਵਾਰ ੧ ਪਉੜੀ ੭ ਪੰ. ੨

ਮਾਹਿਆ ਮੋਹੀ ਮੇਦਨੀ ਕਲਿ ਕਲਿ ਵਾਲੀ ਸਭਿ ਭਰਮਾਈ।

Maaiaa Mohee Maydanee Kali Kalivaalee Sabhi Bharamaaee |

The entire earth got enticed by mammon and the antics of the Kalijug put everyone into delusion.

ਵਾਰਾਂ ਭਾਈ ਗੁਰਦਾਸ : ਵਾਰ ੧ ਪਉੜੀ ੭ ਪੰ. ੩

ਉਠੀ ਗਿਲਾਨਿ ਜਗਤ ਵਿਚਿ ਹਉਮੈ ਅੰਦਰਿ ਜਲੈ ਲੁਕਾਈ।

Uthhee Gilaani Jagatri Vichi Haumai Andari Jalai Lukaaee |

Hatred and degeneracy engrossed the people and ego burnt oneand all.

ਵਾਰਾਂ ਭਾਈ ਗੁਰਦਾਸ : ਵਾਰ ੧ ਪਉੜੀ ੭ ਪੰ. ੪

ਕੋਇ ਨਾ ਕਿਸੈ ਪੂਜਦਾ ਊਚ ਨੀਚ ਸਭਿ ਗਤਿ ਬਿਸਰਾਈ।

Koi N Kisai Poojadaa Ooch Neech Sabhi Gati Bisaraaee |

Nobody now worships anyone and the sense of respect for the younger and elder has vanished into thin air.

ਵਾਰਾਂ ਭਾਈ ਗੁਰਦਾਸ : ਵਾਰ ੧ ਪਉੜੀ ੭ ਪੰ. ੫

ਭਏ ਬਿਅਦਲੀ ਪਾਤਸਾਹ ਕਲਿ ਕਾਤੀ ਉਮਰਾਇ ਕਸਾਈ।

Bhaay Biadalee Paatsaah Kali Kaatee Umaraai Kasaaee |

In this cutter age the emporers are tyrants and their satraps butchers.

ਵਾਰਾਂ ਭਾਈ ਗੁਰਦਾਸ : ਵਾਰ ੧ ਪਉੜੀ ੭ ਪੰ. ੬

ਰਹਿਆ ਤਪਾਵਸੁ ਤ੍ਰਿਹੁ ਜੁਗੀ ਚਉਥੇ ਜੁਗਿ ਜੋ ਦੇਇ ਸੁ ਪਾਈ।

Rahiaa Tapaavasu Trihu Jugee Chauday Jugi Jo Dayi Su Paaee |

The justice of three ageshas become extinct and now whosoever gives something (as bribe) gets (justice?).

ਵਾਰਾਂ ਭਾਈ ਗੁਰਦਾਸ : ਵਾਰ ੧ ਪਉੜੀ ੭ ਪੰ. ੭

ਕਰਮ ਭ੍ਰਿਸਟਿ ਸਭਿ ਭਈ ਲੋਕਾਈ ॥੭॥

Karam Bhrisati Sabhi Bhaee |okaaee ||7 ||

The mankind has become wanting in dexterity of action.

ਵਾਰਾਂ ਭਾਈ ਗੁਰਦਾਸ : ਵਾਰ ੧ ਪਉੜੀ ੭ ਪੰ. ੮

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6 hours ago, kidsama said:

I had thought that we were still in Kal Yug, but now I personally believe that we have well passed Kal Yug and are infact in Dwapaur Yug, for various reasons. I want to ask if Sikhi says anything on when Kal Yug will end, or if Sikhi is somehow against the fact that we are in Dwapaur Yug now. 

kalyug is supposed to last 360,000 years  and we are only 5,500 years in so you work it out , Khalsa raj yet to come is supposed to be for 14,000 years uninteruppted however Khalsa who is rehitvaan and naam abhiyaasi lives in satyug state inside whilst the rest of the world languishes in kalyug's influence

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ਕਲਜੁਗੁ ਹਰਿ ਕੀਆ ਪਗ ਤ੍ਰੈ ਖਿਸਕੀਆ ਪਗੁ ਚਉਥਾ ਟਿਕੈ ਟਿਕਾਇ ਜੀਉ ॥੪॥੪॥੧੧॥

Kalajug Har Keeaa Pag Thrai Khisakeeaa Pag Chouthhaa Ttikai Ttikaae Jeeo ||4||4||11||

The Lord ushered in the Dark Age, the Iron Age of Kali Yuga; three legs of religion were lost, and only the fourth leg remained intact. ||4||4||11||

ਆਸਾ (ਮਃ ੪) ਛੰਤ( ੧੧) ੪:੬ - ਗੁਰੂ ਗ੍ਰੰਥ ਸਾਹਿਬ : ਅੰਗ ੪੪੬ ਪੰ. ੪
Raag Asa Guru Ram Das

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You can in a way say that the yugs are a internal battle as well.   Just how you can make your home into swarg or narak. Have meat, sharab, swear words in your house with no Sikhi or respect for the gurus then you have created narak in your house. 

I read somewhere how in each yug the "battle" narrowed down, like in satyug the battles used to be between the gods and demons, massive battles in the universe between them

and then in threta ram came down to earth and the battle was between two empires/kings   ram vs ravaan

and then in dwapar the battle was within the family and mahabharat took place between the kauravs and pandavs

and now in kalyug the battle in within us    a inner conflict between the vices and our soul/dharam 

 

 

 

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7 hours ago, GurjantGnostic said:

I am genuinely very curious though, and I can tell you must have thought on that, care to share what makes you see things that way?

Not really bro, I didn't think too much, it's just a feeling, but I can list out some main points.

I heard that as KalYug progresses it supposes to get darker and darker ( worse and worse), but I feel we have passed the worst times already.  Like Mughal raj, where there was no value on human life, people would be picked up on a whim and fed to dogs and hounds of the royal. And slavery for example, all around the world for 100's of years. I feel like we are in the upward cycle now, things are getting better. I mean compare today to back then, what can be worse than that? Those were the darkest times. And that's when the Guru's came. 

I also heard that in Dawapur Yug, energy is supreme. In Kal Yug gross and matter is how the world works. Today everything is done by energy (electricity). And so I would believe that late 1800 is when Dwapur started..

Also aren't people becoming more conscious nowadays? Idk, I am not 100% on my beliefs, they are flexible. But to believe that times are getting worse and worse and will continue to for 100,000s of years is such a limiting thought. 

 

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2 hours ago, kidsama said:

Not really bro, I didn't think too much, it's just a feeling, but I can list out some main points.

I heard that as KalYug progresses it supposes to get darker and darker ( worse and worse), but I feel we have passed the worst times already.  Like Mughal raj, where there was no value on human life, people would be picked up on a whim and fed to dogs and hounds of the royal. And slavery for example, all around the world for 100's of years. I feel like we are in the upward cycle now, things are getting better. I mean compare today to back then, what can be worse than that? Those were the darkest times. And that's when the Guru's came. 

I also heard that in Dawapur Yug, energy is supreme. In Kal Yug gross and matter is how the world works. Today everything is done by energy (electricity). And so I would believe that late 1800 is when Dwapur started..

Also aren't people becoming more conscious nowadays? Idk, I am not 100% on my beliefs, they are flexible. But to believe that times are getting worse and worse and will continue to for 100,000s of years is such a limiting thought. 

 

I appreciate your perspective. Thank you for sharing. 

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When Guru Nanak dev ji came, it was aboit few hundred years passed of 5000. So according to it we are near about 5700 yrs of kalyug.

(source- sant ishar singh ji)

they used to say that now” 5000 saal ton upper and 6000 to kush ghat da time chal reha hai”

 

also, the kalyug came after the death of Raja Prikshit( grandson of Arjun) , Arjun and Krishna were of almost same age.

krishna died about 100 yrs before kalyug and their scriptures say that krishna died 5000 yrs ago from now. So if we consider this fact even then its about 5000 plus 100 means 5100 yrs of kalyug.

 

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And the ransacking of Sikh reference library was an attempt to find and hide the evidence of Indira's indian government involvement in crimes between hindus and sikhs in punjab. When they couldn't do that it was set on fire and destroyed but not before they had taken away everything including all the important historical religious artifacts and documents still held in CBI vaults to this very day. "To legitimise the attack, according to Subramaniam Swami—-a member of the Indian Parliament—-the central government had created a disinformation campaign. In his words, the state sought to “make out that the Golden Temple was the haven of criminals, a store of armory and a citadel of the nation’s dismemberment conspiracy.” The Surya magazine published a special report detailing how the Third Agency, a special intelligence outfit created by Prime Minister Indira Gandhi’s Secretariat, R. Shankaran Nair, was instrumental in smuggling most of the arms inside the Darbar Sahib. “One week before the Army action, Punjab police had intercepted two truck loads of weapons and ammunition in the Batala sub-division of Gurdaspur district. But the officer of the Third Agency, in-charge of Amritsar, persuaded the director-general of police (DGP) to release them and send them along safely to the Golden Temple.” There are claims that Sikh leaders such as Dr. Jagjit Singh Chohan, Harchand Singh Longowal, Didar Bains, Ganga Singh Dhillon, much of the Akali Dal leadership, and others were complicit in the attack on the Golden Temple " The R&AW agents of "the third agency" are also blamed for air india bombing in 1985. The book soft target alleges that one of their agents was talwinder singh parmer who was part of the same group of Babbar khalsa militants pictured at darbar sahib pre 1984. But some how miraculously escaped the carnage as he was in indian jail and conveniently released in july 1984, managed to get to canada and form BKI where he along with surjan singh gill (a now exposed CSIS Canadian intelligence agent). Then plotted away for the air india attack. The indian authorities extradited parmer and allegedly tortured and killed him in 1992. Whether he was an unwitting pawn helped along by R&AW in the agenda or a trained agent asset for india remains open to debate. In 2003, Ranjit Nanda, a former inspector for the Central Bureau of Investigation, (CBI) turned whistleblower and revealed he was part of a five member team which scrutinized the documents at the CBI's makeshift office at Amritsar's Youth Club. Ranjit Nanda revealed that officials from his department were "desperately looking for a purported letter written by Indira Gandhi, the then Prime Minister, to Jarnail Singh Bhinderanwale", and reported seeing letters from the other leaders addressed to Jarnail Singh Bhinderanwale. Manjit Calcutta, a former secretary of the SGPC, corroborated Nanda's version of events but further alleged that the army set the library "on fire in desperation when it failed to find the letter". We know that some young militant people who took part in such indian state sanctioned killings were turban wearing "Sikhs" who blamed their activities on orders of sant bhindranwale. Virsa Singh Valtoha's "evidence" was used as propaganda and reason enough to declare sant bhindranwale was ordering the killings of innocents and thus became a projected hate figure, a mass killer of everyone in punjab just as the congress govt wanted. Yet that same person when caught by the army in 1984 operation blue star was allowed to live by the indian authorities no action appears to have been taken. Again strangely the same Virsa Singh Valtoha allegedly took part in kharku militant occupation of darbar sahib, where during army attack in 1987 operation black thunder he publicly surrendered to armed forces commanded by avjit doval and  kps gill and again was not harmed. The same person then became a political figure for the akali dal and now on trial in indian courts for a 1983 murder case. We know there was some alleged disagreements between militant forces at darbar sahib which forced Sant bhindranwale and his loyalists like general shabeg Singh to seek sanctuary at sri akal takht sahib. Could those same militant forces have been R&AW indian commando agents of "the third agency"?  The target of indira's govt was always the Akal takht sahib it seems. The indian establishment need sant bhindranwale to relocate there as to give the justification and pretext for its destruction by tanks. It was there target always because the authority of the Sikhs came from there and thats what they wanted crushed. General SK Sinha, who was asked by then PM Indira Gandhi to plan the attack at the Golden Temple, had reservations over the proposal. He sought premature retirement in 1983 on being superseded by Lt Gen AS Vaidya for the post of Army chief. General Arunkumar Shridhar Vaidya, who was the brain behind Operation Bluestar involving military attack against the Sikh militants of darbar sahib. The anti-sikh tyrant Vaidya was eventually found and shot dead in 1986 by Sikh revenge death hit squad members bhai sukha and bhai jinda. We know general sinha gave information in his book that in 1983 he turned down the order to attack darbar sahib. We know the israeli trained nsg indian commando's were practicing on models of darbar sahib in UP around 1982-1983. General Sinha declined to take part in all coordinated plan to genocide Sikhs and thus was sidelined and refused promotion by the establishment. Generals Dyal, sunderji, vaidya and Brar wanted to prove themselves loyal dogs to the indira's government so agreed to attack darbar sahib instead. As the missing pieces of the jigsaw come together we see a clearer picture how deep a conspiracy the collusion this was to politically trap and then genocide the Sikhs on false pretexts they had created themselves. The uncomfortable truths may also uncover those dharmi militants that were hailed as hero's by the sangat for so many decades may have been part of the state military machinery of the indian establishment and either working as unwitting pawns or fully trained and hired R&AW agents to further accomplish the anti-sikh agenda at the time.
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