Give your reasons of biggest threats or downfall that Sikhs face

[proactive]

On 4/10/2020 at 10:19 PM, jkvlondon said:

gurbani

Very true. 

[jkvlondon]

2 hours ago, Akalifauj said:

Hello, many like you make this claim but none have provided any Gurbani to substantiate their claim.  

 

Bhagat Namdev ji's life was before advent of Guru Nanak Dev ji we all know he was blessed with Naam and had Waheguru ji's protection due to the sakhi of the temple doorway moving to where he sat to allow him to pray. His Bani is now Part of Guru ji so this means he was accepted by Sikhi path.

Gurbani- Asa di Vaar:

Har jugu jug Bhagat upaiya, paij rakhdiya aaya Ram Raje
In every age Waheguru (Ram RAi) has protected his Bhagats

[Akalifauj]

31 minutes ago, jkvlondon said:

Bhagat Namdev ji's life was before advent of Guru Nanak Dev ji we all know he was blessed with Naam and had Waheguru ji's protection due to the sakhi of the temple doorway moving to where he sat to allow him to pray. His Bani is now Part of Guru ji so this means he was accepted by Sikhi path.

Gurbani- Asa di Vaar:

Har jugu jug Bhagat upaiya, paij rakhdiya aaya Ram Raje
In every age Waheguru (Ram RAi) has protected his Bhagats

You said, "there have always been bhagats of Akal Purakh in many faiths"

I asked you to provide proof to say bhagats of Akal Purakh are in many faith and you said it's in Gurbani.  You provided a Gurbani line and the line says:

ਹਰਿ ਜੁਗੁ ਜੁਗੁ ਭਗਤ ਉਪਾਇਆ ਪੈਜ ਰਖਦਾ ਆਇਆ ਰਾਮ ਰਾਜੇ ॥
ਪਰਮਾਤਮਾ ਹਰੇਕ ਜੁਗ ਵਿਚ ਹੀ ਭਗਤ ਪੈਦਾ ਕਰਦਾ ਹੈ, ਤੇ, (ਭੀੜਾ ਸਮੇ) ਉਹਨਾਂ ਦੀ ਇੱਜ਼ਤ ਰੱਖਦਾ ਆ ਰਿਹਾ ਹੈ 
In each and every age, He creates His devotees and preserves their honor, O Lord King.

nowhere in the above Gurbani line does it say, there have always been bhagats of Akal Purakh in many Faiths. Instead the above Gurbani says he creates and preserves his bhagats in every age.  Had it said in every age akal Purakh creates and preserves his bhagats of every faith.  You would have a point.  But it doesn't say this.

bhagat naamdev ji was not Satguru.  So he could not attain akal Purakh himself.   Gurbani says without Satguru akal Purakh cannot be attained.  Gurbani says Sri Guru Nanak Dev ji is nirankar and is the highest/supreme who has kept me safe.  A poster on this forum tried to push his opinion that bhagat naamdev ji was a hindu.  Nowhere in Gurbani does it say Bhagat ji is a hindu.  Instead bhagat kabir ji says he is not a hindu or muslim.  

[jassa]

Not doing nitname

[puzzled]

^^^^  absolutely   something not mentioned    biggest threat to sikhi is people not practicing sikhi!  cutting their kes, not doing nitnem and simran.    

biggest threat is "sikhs" not being sikhs  

at least back in the 90s you could tell it was a sikh house because the little boys would have guttis  now parents dnt even keep their kids kes    

 

[RajKaregaKhalsa1]

I'd say looking at pakhand makes some people think what's the point if the practising so-called "religious" can't even follow Sikhi themselves. They normally tend to highlight the negatives of people and see that as an excuse.

So yall need to be POSITIVE!

VJKKVJKF

[jkvlondon]

3 hours ago, Akalifauj said:

You said, "there have always been bhagats of Akal Purakh in many faiths"

I asked you to provide proof to say bhagats of Akal Purakh are in many faith and you said it's in Gurbani.  You provided a Gurbani line and the line says:

ਹਰਿ ਜੁਗੁ ਜੁਗੁ ਭਗਤ ਉਪਾਇਆ ਪੈਜ ਰਖਦਾ ਆਇਆ ਰਾਮ ਰਾਜੇ ॥
ਪਰਮਾਤਮਾ ਹਰੇਕ ਜੁਗ ਵਿਚ ਹੀ ਭਗਤ ਪੈਦਾ ਕਰਦਾ ਹੈ, ਤੇ, (ਭੀੜਾ ਸਮੇ) ਉਹਨਾਂ ਦੀ ਇੱਜ਼ਤ ਰੱਖਦਾ ਆ ਰਿਹਾ ਹੈ 
In each and every age, He creates His devotees and preserves their honor, O Lord King.

nowhere in the above Gurbani line does it say, there have always been bhagats of Akal Purakh in many Faiths. Instead the above Gurbani says he creates and preserves his bhagats in every age.  Had it said in every age akal Purakh creates and preserves his bhagats of every faith.  You would have a point.  But it doesn't say this.

bhagat naamdev ji was not Satguru.  So he could not attain akal Purakh himself.   Gurbani says without Satguru akal Purakh cannot be attained.  Gurbani says Sri Guru Nanak Dev ji is nirankar and is the highest/supreme who has kept me safe.  A poster on this forum tried to push his opinion that bhagat naamdev ji was a hindu.  Nowhere in Gurbani does it say Bhagat ji is a hindu.  Instead bhagat kabir ji says he is not a hindu or muslim.  

before Guru ji  there were bhagats - Bhagat Namdev was one he was of a different faith label ,  and all the bhagats had different methods of doing bhagati but they were one-minded .

before Gurbani , there were many different faiths  still are , all ages means all ages (even before this pasara) gurbani doesn't differentiate between faith labels for true bhagats , as they have risen above and Guru ji is samm drisht anyhoo. Do you really think no body ever attained paramhans stage prior to Guru Nanak Dev ji? in other words if they are taking Akal purakh as their one tek , their true guru why would they not achieve kirpa ?

 

 

[Akalifauj]

2 hours ago, jkvlondon said:

before Guru ji  there were bhagats - Bhagat Namdev was one he was of a different faith label ,  and all the bhagats had different methods of doing bhagati but they were one-minded .

before Gurbani , there were many different faiths  still are , all ages means all ages (even before this pasara) gurbani doesn't differentiate between faith labels for true bhagats , as they have risen above and Guru ji is samm drisht anyhoo. Do you really think no body ever attained paramhans stage prior to Guru Nanak Dev ji? in other words if they are taking Akal purakh as their one tek , their true guru why would they not achieve kirpa ?

 

 

This is what the British taught you and sold it as sikhism.  I am asking you about Sikhi. Sikhi says Gurbani has always been here.  And Gurbani has presented itself throughout the ages to protect its bhagats.  Please dont limit Gurbani to your minds understanding of how the world may work.  You made a claim and said Gurbani supports it.   you presented a Gurbani tuk and it did not say bhagat of many faiths existed, which was your original statement. Now you are using manmat to rationalize how not bhagat naamdev ji met Sri Guru Nanak Dev ji.   Bhagat naamdev ji didn't know naam simran, so how can he know akal Purakh? Only after meeting Sri Guru Nanak Dev ji/satguru did he receive the teachings, took Satguru as his Guru and received kirpa of becoming one with akal Purakh. 

Do you agree with Gurbani,  without Satguru no one, even bhagat naamdev ji can't be saved?

[Kau89r8]

On 4/1/2020 at 11:45 AM, proactive said:

21 years is quite a long time if it was his long game!!

Not really because all that sucking up to Muslims is more likely to get him banned than helping Sikhs. Sikh Relief has been helping Sikh political prisoners as well as their families and although they have faced harassment by the authorities they still continue to do their work. 

Ravi Singh did use that excuse initially because KA just concentrated on Kosovo in 1999. When the Chattisinghpura massacre happened in 2000 he had people at the Nagar Kirtan's that year with buckets asking for donations in the name of those Sikhs. I doubt if all or even a majority of that money ever reached those Sikhs. I think if that was his intention, then the plaudits that he got from non-Sikhs for his work has turned his head and he makes no mention of his initial plans. In fact his charity spends about 20% of its total expenditure in India and of that I would guess he spends 50% so possible one pound out of every 10 is spent on Sikhs. 

Used to give money to Sikh relief, but heard from they haven't paid many lawyers they use to fight cases of Singhs in prison (If thats what they claim what they are raising money for) They also have excess money is bank....

All these 'Sikh charities' are marketing geniuses, they will attempt to distort Sikhi to fit their narratives, agendas exploit 1984, (who know what they playing at) and make much money as possible...

Dont trust anything or anyone learnt it hard way...esp we can fall for the ones who appear 'Sikhs' for face value

Best is donate yourself! If you can sponsor those orphanages in Punjab, help out with education 

 

[dallysingh101]

bump