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The frustrating thing for you is that you know I'm probably as conservative and khattar as you are, but yet you still try and paint me as some kind of secular clown who has a soft spot for these druggie and alkie entertainers and those who idolise them.

I don't know what to say. Some people are determined to learn the hard way. You will, eventually.

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1 hour ago, Akalifauj said:

A wholesome family gathering around a fire is nothing unique to punjabi culture.  Its naive to call this punjabi culture. However even this practice has changed among punjabi youth.  They sit around a fire, but the women and men are drinking alcohol and consider this just the start of a night.  Later on they get together and go clubbing.  White families call it camping or sitting around in the backyard on a friday evening in the summer.  what I have described how punjabis have changed over time and became more accepting of sexual appeal with their women is what punjabi culture has become and this has been driven mostly because of bhangra parties under the disguise of various wedding related functions. These functions have taken the punjabi culture ethos away.  Which you  choose to call harmless.  I get it, you are old washed up and don't want to see the reality of today's punjabi youth which are defining what is punjabi culture.  You want to give punjabi culture whether it be in uk, america, or canada a rosey look that it does not hold anymore and it has lost it for many decades ago.  The new generation define what punjabi culture is and yes they want to head in the direction of open relationships with multiple people, drinking alcohol with the women, and having multiple sexual partners, even if it's at one time.  This is punjabi culture today.  What you don't want to recognize is why this happened.   You called it harmless colors, which is comical. This harmless color has destroyed the core of punjabi culture.   any good that came to punjabis is because of Sikhi.  Before Sikhi punjabis were lower caste and had no rights.  Look at history and even bhagat kabir ji left the punjabi culture behind to join with Sikhi after meeting Sri Guru Nanak Dev ji. 

I spoke of the reality of today about punjabi culture.   You wanted to place a white sheet over it, hoping no one would lift it up and expose punjabi culture for what it has become.  

You can say the same about basically most young people all around the planet. Why would young punjabis be any different? Some communities cover this behaviour up while others do it out in the open. 

And it ain't even young people  old people are no different. 

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My cousin used to work in a old peoples home in the Midlands and she said once the staff would put the buddeh and  buddiyan to bed and switch the lights off  they would sneak into each others bedrooms. Sometimes the staff would tell them off while other times they would just leave them to it. 

You cant expect punjabis to be any different. 

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The respect and "fear" of long-standing Sikh institutions such as Taksal is virtually nonexistent amongst the Punjabi masses. There won't be a repeat of the events of the 70s and 80s when errant Sikhs who'd succumbed to various life-destroying vices, buckled under the parchaar of the time, and reformed themselves. GOI has ensured the average Sikh views their religious bodies with disdain and indifference. A charismatic leader will not be enough next time to rally the masses. 

AKJ is a joke outfit in the modern day. They'll be used for further demoralisation and subversion of Sikhs.

If the likes of Taksal go after the middling, inoffensive cultural Sikhs with the same zeal as if they were dealing with virulent heretics, there won't be a respectful deferring to religious authority similar to 40 years ago. Those types of Sikhs are long gone.

What there will be is a Secular Vs Religious battle which is exactly what the GOI wants to see. Armed with their newfound admiration for the obnoxiously materialistic lifestyle being promoted by various forms of Punjabi entertainment, etc., these people won't tolerate being pushed around by orthodox Singhs. 

GOI plans for the Khalsa identity to be the sole preserve of what people perceive to be militants or humourless extremists; a tiny, dwindling minority akin to the ultra-orthodox Hasidic Jews who are viewed with disdain by their own people for their excessive religious adherence. The schism in the quom these actions will cause has been in the making for 40-50 years. We are on the verge of seeing it become a reality. 

But, yes, go for it. Pretend as if there's no difference between a family Lohri celebration and a sweaty, degenerate orgy attended by Punjabi idiots. We'll see where we end up. Whatever the outcome, the popcorn's coming out for me. There's going to be a hot time in the old pind tonight.

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18 minutes ago, MisterrSingh said:

What there will be is a Secular Vs Religious battle

I think that's gnna first become apparent in the west. 

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22 minutes ago, puzzled said:

I think that's gnna first become apparent in the west. 

For it to happen in the land where Sikhi originated will be a tremendous victory for the enemy. 

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2 hours ago, Akalifauj said:

  I get it, you are old washed up and don't want to see the reality of today's punjabi youth...

I'm your age or probably younger, Baba ji. You've been chatting shite on this site when I was still blowing candles off birthday cakes, you clown. 

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24 minutes ago, MisterrSingh said:

I'm your age or probably younger, Baba ji. You've been chatting shite on this site when I was still blowing candles off birthday cakes, you clown. 

I used to to think you were a lot older  like in your 40s lol  until like a year ago 

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1 hour ago, MisterrSingh said:

The respect and "fear" of long-standing Sikh institutions such as Taksal is virtually nonexistent amongst the Punjabi masses. 

You live in fear. Taksal of the 70s and 80s taught punjabis how to have self respect. Criminals after seeing the virtues of Sikhi because of Taksal dropped their evil ways and joined Taksal to make the punjabi heartland a better place. Respected army generals like General shabeg Singh joined the Taksal of the 70s and 80s to bring back integrity to the punjabis. When I say punjabis in this context it doesn't just include Sikhs. It also includes Hindus and muslims of punjab. Sikhs were literally given the key to Gurbani by Taksal. They were educating the villagers on how to read and interpret Gurbani. The Taksal understood Gurbani is the power that uplifted the likes of Bhagat kabir ji and Baba Deep Singh to the heights they travelled in the past. They without any doubt showed this again in the events to come in 1984. Some like to live in so much oppression that they grow accustom to it. Taksal woke up many punjabis and they started to have a voice. Taksal gave them the backbone they needed. Today, when a mona feels oppressed in the western countries they get their inspiration from the actions of Sant Jarnail Singh ji. They proud themselves of belonging to a religion that stood up to oppression. Taksal was also teaching the history of the Sikhs that is full of valor and leads to liberation of the soul. If 1984 was truly about making a homeland for the Sikhs, Sri Guru Gobind Singh Sahib ji would have carved it out before leaving his human body. So why did Sri Guru Gobind Singh Sahib ji fight wars. A simpleton would say to rule over the world. Guru Sahib fought because there was no other option as the local rulers were oppressing the local people of india with the sword. Had the local rulers of that time sat down with Sri Guru Gobind Singh Sahib ji to discuss equal rights there would have been no wars. And this is also true for Taksal. Countless times Taksal said they are ready to have a discussion with the ruling government the Congress. People of punjab had demands and they wanted to see punjab prosper. The indian government wanted to steal the natural resources from punjab and give it to others. Even the last stand where the Singhs sat in Sri Amritsar Sahib complex the Sikhs did not fire the first round at the indian government. The indian government army fired first.

Today punjabis are sitting in their nice homes in the west. They have good paying jobs or businesses and basic rights to move freely and live their lives provided by the state governmentfor the current time. So at this current time they don't need Sikhi or a group like taksal. The state's constitution is their life line. Unless they live in india, which no better than it was in 1970s or 80s.

The punjabis that come to Sikhi now are coming because they see even though we live freely in the western world, we still are not free. The fear of death hangs over their heads. Or it could be some other reason. Also these punjabis see how the lohri parties and wedding reception have destroyed their families. So they choose not to attend such functions. Lohri celebration/party may look innocent but try to have one without alcohol and bhangra music. Majority of the guest will not show up and this includes immediate family members in some cases. When speaking about punjabi culture it's about saying what majority of this group is doing. A single family can't represent a large group of people. There could be the very small minority of families having a lohri celebration without alcohol and bhangra music, which is good but cant speak for punjabi culture.

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