Kamala Harris history with Sikhs

[Ranjeet01]

1 hour ago, MisterrSingh said:

It's like if we talk about protecting and feeding the weakest and most vulnerable in society, as directed by Sikh ethics, that would be considered by Right-wingers as a form of Socialism; that if people can't provide for themselves they shouldn't be a burden on other productive members of society. They should get tough and sort themselves out. That's where our spiritual aspect enters, because we're told that it is a virtue to uplift and protect those who cannot do so themselves. There's a difference between helping the destitute, and then being taken advantage of by lazy and cynical charlatans. Again, it's that fine line.

Equally, the incident with Guru Gobind Singh and the Mahants would be categorised by a liberal as cold blooded savagery, but again they fail to understand that by Guru Sahib undertaking that one act, they sent a message to others within the Panth that sangat's churaava is not to be funnelled for personal profit. It's only in recent times that the likes of the SGPC have begun to misuse sangat's daswand for frivolous means. With Guru Sahib's admittedly one decisive act, they prevented a dodgy situation from spiralling into something irreversible. That too was the right thing to do.

What a right winger would say is that they are more charitable and they will help people in their communities (they are for small government), is that not how our daswandh kind of works, however if someone can explain how it does, it would be much appreciated. Does daswandh go directly to help our sangat or non-Sikhs as well?

The danger I guess would be if you help others through your taxes, it is taken from you by the central government and it is spent on welfare and people don't go back to work and get dependent on welfare and this lasts for generations. Some of those right wingers would be greedy and say, " That's my money I earned it, why should I pay for these lazy bums" and others would say, "I want to see where my tax money goes to, is it going in the right places?"

As a Sikh, is it better to uplift others so that they can lift themselves and get themselves back on track or have these downtrodden to become dependent on you and lose their work ethic?

 

 

[Ranjeet01]

1 hour ago, ChardikalaUK said:

She's no different to war criminal Barack Obama. The man who started wars in Libya and Syria and was then given the Nobel Peace Prize. Their skin colour allows them to get away with this, if a white person had done what Obama did he would have been ridiculed like George Bush was.

Say what you will about Trump but he at least hasn't invaded a new country and things seem to be relatively calmer in the middle east.

That is one of the reasons the Military-Industrial Complex don't like Trump, he didn't start any new wars!

[MisterrSingh]

1 hour ago, Ranjeet01 said:

As a Sikh, is it better to uplift others so that they can lift themselves and get themselves back on track or have these downtrodden to become dependent on you and lose their work ethic?

I hope so, if not I'm not sure I agree with it!

I guess in Sikhi there's a transactional exchange involved, in as much the side that is being assisted is also expected to not take advantage of the one who is, through God, helping out. 

[Akalifauj]

Do a YouTube search of joe rogan and kamala Harris.   If she becomes president because Biden kicks the bucket.  The minorities are in for a world of hurt in the USA.  

[Ranjeet01]

36 minutes ago, Akalifauj said:

Do a YouTube search of joe rogan and kamala Harris.   If she becomes president because Biden kicks the bucket.  The minorities are in for a world of hurt in the USA.  

Joe Budhu is not as senile as he has been made out to be, I think he will be a lame duck president but I hope he lasts longer than people think (at least the 4 years) so that Kamli does not become president.

Then at least they can have fresh candidates for 2024.

But I think Trumpism is going to back with a vengeance in 2024. (Note that I am not necessarily mentioning Trump himself, but he has provided a playbook for anyone looking to replicate his ways)

 

[imhosingh]

Notice something about trump? No wars...look at Obama...and btw who was his vice president who went along with all the wars? So to expect a more peaceful world over the next 4yrs if biden gets in ..is quite frankly delusional. For all his faults...trump never actively killed innocent brown civilians...the other however did 

[Ranjeet01]

1 minute ago, imhosingh said:

Notice something about trump? No wars...look at Obama...and btw who was his vice president who went along with all the wars? So to expect a more peaceful world over the next 4yrs if biden gets in ..is quite frankly delusional. For all his faults...trump never actively killed innocent brown civilians...the other however did 

Like I said before, Military Industrial Complex.

There is one big difference between Trump and the other presidents. He never bothered with lobbies nor did he bother with advisors, he did not listen to anyone but himself. That is why he wasn't liked. he didn't tow the line

[jkvlondon]

5 hours ago, dallysingh101 said:

I agree with the right to bear arms, but sadly the goray in the US are spouting all this stuff about liberty and freedom on land that they themselves stole and committed genocide on. So Sikhs are in a different position to them.

But I have heard from young US Sikhs that most Panjabi apnay parents out there are averse to shasters/ashters - says it all.  

probaly because they are imbibing the wider aversion to violence /call it cowardice if you want of the Indian nation, they are scared to be as different as Guru ji made us , but dancing to a different beat and only lending our efforts to Guru ji's mission for this planet is actually the only saving grace we could display . They are deluded and self-loathing in so many ways ; just because the pillagers of your lands tell you , you are nothing  doesn't make it true , never has , never will.

[jkvlondon]

1 hour ago, Ranjeet01 said:

Like I said before, Military Industrial Complex.

There is one big difference between Trump and the other presidents. He never bothered with lobbies nor did he bother with advisors, he did not listen to anyone but himself. That is why he wasn't liked. he didn't tow the line

The difference was Trump was first in line at the trough  for every scrap available ; no good at sharing or losing according to Ivana , long suffering ex-wife

[Kaurr]

14 hours ago, MisterrSingh said:

This also means that because Sikhi is neither Left nor Right, it also ISN'T Centrist.

Just out of question, what is classified as centrist?