Why our freedom movement died out?

[MisterrSingh]

44 minutes ago, Ranjeet01 said:

Pendus tend to act first and then think and formulate strategies afterwards.

That's never going to work. It's the "glorious loser" mentality. A cunning enemy will always defeat this type of "honest" bravery. True, wise, and far-seeing power doesn't think this way. It actually sidelines those who encourage this rash behaviour, or it makes it very, very clear that they don't call the shots. The over-excitable don't run the show. Equally, the more cerebrally focused don't look-down on the grunts doing the dirty work. There needs to be a genuine mutual respect and understanding that one without the other is useless.

Another thing I've noticed is the lack of statesmanship. We find it very difficult to understand that there are occasions where meeting with the enemy is not an act of collusion or betrayal. Unless someone has genuinely sold out or is in the process of passing on information to the other side, there's nothing wrong with getting close to the other side to feel out the guy (not gay) or even play mind games by psyching them out. We have this really crazy mindset where being in the same room with a sworn enemy is akin to collaboration. Back in the day, rival kingdoms with demented blood-drenched rivalries would marry their sons to the other side's daughters for some stragetic purpose that would reveal itself later on, either for genuine peace, or to prevent a third kingdom moving in on their territory. We either stubbornly create lifelong enemies of no return, or we fall into bed with the other side. There's no middle ground.

[MisterrSingh]

25 minutes ago, shastarSingh said:

There is another good thing about pendus is that they stay loyal to Punjabi language.

Sometime back i was walking in a park near my house in Ludhiana and a 10 year old bhappaa kid was speaking in Hindi and I told him that he can speak in Punjabi.

He told me that we r Indians and Hindi is our language.

That's kind of irrelevant if the traitor speaks perfect Punjabi while the true patriot and loyalist is fluent in Hindi. Why do we get wrapped up in these inaccurate indicators? Yes, later on we can prioritise our mother tongue when we've stabilised our culture and a means to grow in a healthy and productive manner, but these surface attributes aren't important in certain instances.

[shastarSingh]

16 minutes ago, MisterrSingh said:

while the true patriot and loyalist is fluent in Hindi.

Bhappaas know Punjabi but still prefer Hindi.

A person who is not loyal to Punjabi language, can he be loyal to sikh qaum?

Lots of traitors in rural punjab but majority of brave khaarrkus were from rural backgrounds too.

Bhappaas never fight, highjack panthic organizations and hurt the panth big time.

Akj has a glorious past of bravery and martyrdom.

Bhappaas hv highjacked it and turned it into a kanjar coward organization.

[Ranjeet01]

29 minutes ago, MisterrSingh said:

That's never going to work. It's the "glorious loser" mentality. A cunning enemy will always defeat this type of "honest" bravery. True, wise, and far-seeing power doesn't think this way. It actually sidelines those who encourage this rash behaviour, or it makes it very, very clear that they don't call the shots. The over-excitable don't run the show. Equally, the more cerebrally focused don't look-down on the grunts doing the dirty work. There needs to be a genuine mutual respect and understanding that one without the other is useless.

Another thing I've noticed is the lack of statesmanship. We find it very difficult to understand that there are occasions where meeting with the enemy is not an act of collusion or betrayal. Unless someone has genuinely sold out or is in the process of passing on information to the other side, there's nothing wrong with getting close to the other side to feel out the guy (not gay) or even play mind games by psyching them out. We have this really crazy mindset where being in the same room with a sworn enemy is akin to collaboration. Back in the day, rival kingdoms with demented blood-drenched rivalries would marry their sons to the other side's daughters for some stragetic purpose that would reveal itself later on, either for genuine peace, or to prevent a third kingdom moving in on their territory. We either stubbornly create lifelong enemies of no return, or we fall into bed with the other side. There's no middle ground.

First step is formulate a plan and then act.

That energy directed in the right way will be more effective. 

It is just a re-arrange of the priorities. 

[dallysingh101]

2 hours ago, shastarSingh said:

Lots of traitors in rural punjab but majority of brave khaarrkus were from rural backgrounds too.

You keep saying this, but please acknowledge that the majority of people who were killing and raping for india were also from the same background. 

To me that says it all. Rural Sikhs were the reason the kharku lehar failed. And the truth is, if we have another lehar, their gadaari will probably be the reason that one fails too.   

[Premi5]

1 hour ago, dallysingh101 said:

 

To me that says it all. Rural Sikhs were the reason the kharku lehar failed. And the truth is, if we have another lehar, their gadaari will probably be the reason that one fails too.   

Most of the kharku (probably 99%) were rural

[shastarSingh]

4 minutes ago, Premi5 said:

Most of the kharku (probably 99%) were rural

I agree

[dallysingh101]

2 hours ago, shastarSingh said:

I agree

 

2 hours ago, Premi5 said:

Most of the kharku (probably 99%) were rural

No one is doubting that, I'm saying more people from exactly the same background destroyed the movement. Until you address this gaddari, this pattern is going to keep repeating itself. And continually going on about the 'bravery of rurals' ignoring the outright mass gadaari from the same quarter means that you haven't learnt any lessons from the past.

 

Picture this: A young Amritdhari Singh leaves his parent's house to go work on the fields. He is a simple guy, trying to stay away from all the alcohol and other negative things a lot of people in the pend routinely indulge in. On route a jeep pulls up; it's the police. The young guy isn't a fool, he knows the score, but remains calm. The guys come out of the jeep, they start questioning him. The young Singh hides his alarm and responds politely, he's heard about this, but didn't expect to be in the middle of it. 

The police tell him they need to take him into the station for further questioning. The Singh is alone and isolated, there is little he can do but hope for the best when he gets into the jeep.    

These guys take him to some out of the way place, and stop the car. The Singh is distraught but helpless. 

They tell him to exit the car. He stalls but they get more aggressive, so he does what they say. 

They make him walk to some secluded spot. One of the policemen reeks of cheap Bagpiper whiskey. 

Then one pulls out his sten gun and pumps the young defenseless Singh with bullets. It's over quickly. 

They then pull out some rdx and an AK they had in the jeep and plant it on his dead body. Taking photos for a 'reward' they expect to collect later. 

Now here's the rub: The policemen who did this grew up a lot like the Singh they just murdered. They probably grew up going to the Gurdwara. At least one person in their house probably listened to paat and kirtan. Yet this had no effect on them whatsoever. That's the truth about rural Sikhs. 

So every time you tossers try to slyly big up jut Sikhs bravery in the lehar, it makes me want to vomit because you're ignoring the same people murdering innocent people for money. Truth is, you can buy rural apnay off for cheap and they'll murder their own without any conscience. This needs to be f**king addressed and not ignored for another generation!

 

[shastarSingh]

1 hour ago, Rajasthani said:

Yes they can be  Greatest example Is sultane Quam Jassa Singh ahluwalia 

 

Jassa Singh ahluwalia lived and studied in Delhi and had different accent and vocabulary than Singhs living in punjab.

Did he backstab Punjabi? Did he speak Hindi with fellow Singhs?

[Ranjeet01]

Rural areas like most rural areas are not always quaint idyllic places.

They can have seething vendettas and feuds  (I guess that is where feudal came from).

What the troubles in the 80's provided was lawlessness where everyone was against each other and an opportunity to take revenge for whatever particular aggrievance they may have.

Not pretty but it is what it is.