referendum People in UK will you be voting?

[dharamyudh]

1 hour ago, proactive said:

The same old tired excuse. We can't run a Gurdwara hence we won't be able to run a country blah blah blah. Either you are a Hindu pretending to be a Sikh or a self hating Sikh., Which one is it? But whichever one of these you are, you are certainly a first class f&dhu as well. 

Lol call me what you want, but the truth hurts. 

[dharamyudh]

1 hour ago, proactive said:

He's a bandar, the two excuses he has used to justify us remain slaves of India are the exact same that the RW Hindus use. one that we can't run a Gurdwara hence how can we run a country and the other why aren't we demanding Lahore and Nankana Sahib as well as parts of his beloved Hindustan.

Fact you gotta use insults tells a lot my man. Keep begging farangi systems to give raj. 

[proactive]

56 minutes ago, GurjantGnostic said:

The systems by which the Gurudwara are run are not Gurmat. It's collonial, followed by hindu nationalist intervention. 

It does need to be changed. 

It's just no argument against Khalistan. 

The problem is even if a significant amount of the Sangat change the constitution to one where the committee is chosen by the Panj Pyare you will always have detractors who will claim that because they were not selected, this is discrimination. These people will then bring caste into the equation and say that they weren't chosen because they were not of the same caste as some of the Pany Pyare. The system of selection can only work if the decision is accepted and there is a system of social and religious sanction on anyone who disputes the choice of the Panj Pyare. If the selection is allowed to be disputed without threat of sanction then it will not take long before it becomes a matter of controversy. There are already enough idiots who want to blame caste discrimination for their own failings so a system of selection without a built in 100% support for the decisions of the Panj Pyare will not succeed. 

[proactive]

10 minutes ago, dharamyudh said:

Lol call me what you want, but the truth hurts. 

If the cap fits. The truth only hurts when it is the truth, when it is just the same tired BS then it just the same tired BS and not the truth. 

[dharamyudh]

Just now, proactive said:

If the cap fits. The truth only hurts when it is the truth, when it is just the same tired BS then it just the same tired BS and not the truth. 

Same old bs has truth to it. When the panth established the first raj, it had solid leadership. When the nawabi was given to the panth we had solid leadership. When the Sikh Empire arose, we had SOLID leadership. Now who in the hell is gonna run Khalistan?   

[proactive]

10 minutes ago, dharamyudh said:

Fact you gotta use insults tells a lot my man. Keep begging farangi systems to give raj. 

Who is begging farangi systems for Raj? Raj will come when the circumstances come about for the creation of the Raj. At least I am ready to accept the Raj when it comes and unlike you am not a puny slave of India who has to use a picture of a Nihang as his profile pic to gain some credibility. 

[dharamyudh]

Just now, proactive said:

Who is begging farangi systems for Raj? Raj will come when the circumstances come about for the creation of the Raj. At least I am ready to accept the Raj when it comes and unlike you am not a puny slave of India who has to use a picture of a Nihang as his profile pic to gain some credibility. 

Uh huh... What are the guys organizing this referendum? Are they not slaves of Pakistan? 

[dharamyudh]

These lot got the balls to ask for all that but don't wanna touch Pakistani land? I want all of it if we're gonna make a country just saying 

[proactive]

Just now, dharamyudh said:

Same old bs has truth to it. When the panth established the first raj, it had solid leadership. When the nawabi was given to the panth we had solid leadership. When the Sikh Empire arose, we had SOLID leadership. Now who in the hell is gonna run Khalistan?   

Be honest, you are a slave of India and content to be a slave. What can a slave like you whose mind is enslaved by the filth of his slavery to the Indian system know about Panth, Raj, Khalsa etc. Santji spent his entire life trying to wake up fools like you, to show you what a slave you are and to recognise your slavery to your Hindu masters. But his efforts were wasted on fools like you who think because the local Gurdwara isn't run to perfection then that is somehow a justification for Sikhs not to be free from Indian slavery. 

Stick to regurgitating what your Hindu masters tell you to say, freedom is not for you because freedom demands responsibility and people like you are so enslaved in their mindset that they even need to seek permission to go to the toilet. 

[GurjantGnostic]

16 minutes ago, proactive said:

The problem is even if a significant amount of the Sangat change the constitution to one where the committee is chosen by the Panj Pyare you will always have detractors who will claim that because they were not selected, this is discrimination. These people will then bring caste into the equation and say that they weren't chosen because they were not of the same caste as some of the Pany Pyare. The system of selection can only work if the decision is accepted and there is a system of social and religious sanction on anyone who disputes the choice of the Panj Pyare. If the selection is allowed to be disputed without threat of sanction then it will not take long before it becomes a matter of controversy. There are already enough idiots who want to blame caste discrimination for their own failings so a system of selection without a built in 100% support for the decisions of the Panj Pyare will not succeed. 

Having a representative system starts in the household. Your household representatives meet with the others and select representatives from the Khalsa. These Khalsa representatives appoint a Panj Pyare. So because every caste..which isn't real but anyway, but because every caste has family and chosen Khalsa representatives, they are represented at the level that selects Panj Pyare. So no matter if you are a majority or a minority you will be selecting through consensus, people to form further consensus, and with consensus even a minority can object. Which alleviates essentially all fears around caste, numbers and representation.