Sikh Unit

[californiasardar1]

18 minutes ago, MisterrSingh said:

Most of these cases are clandestine relationships that have gone awry, and then to save face, Sikh "enforcers" are called in - manipulated with emotive rhetoric - to signal to the wider Sikh community that the girl's honour wasn't knowingly thrown away by the girl herself but was taken by the conniving Muslim. It's usually the mother of the girl who fills the husband's / father's ear with nonsense to ensure she doesn't find herself on the marriage blacklist.

Like the guy said, that's not to say Muslims have a right to target Sikh girls, BUT if the girls go LOOKING for fun with these Satanic desert devils, what can you honestly do aside from chopping up Sikh girls?

People will cry, "But what about Sikh men!" and I say to that, "F**k off with that 5hit." Despite the insanity of the West, men and women are NOT the same and never will be. I don't believe a Sikh guy should be messing with a Muslima regardless of the situation, BUT when a Sikh female goes off with a Muslah, that's just so wrong on so many levels. The "We are One" crowd need shooting.

 

I met a UK girl many years ago. She was not from a religious family, but she was really into Sikhi, used to send me links to Kirtan online, etc. Long story short, she was apparently just going through some "spirituality phase" that she eventually got bored of. She had family issues, got into a fight with her family, and moved out of the house. She started hanging out with all kinds of sketchy guys (not just Muslims), smoking hookah, etc. She slept around with random Euro guys on holiday, ended up cohabiting with some French dude (in the same UK town where she grew up). I guess she eventually got bored of that life because she started posting Sikh-related stuff on social media again. And after having her fun, she recently got married to some mona guy.

 

As much as I want to laugh at her fickle nature, it still makes me feel sad. I really liked this girl in the beginning, and it really hurt when I first started to see her change.

[MisterrSingh]

11 minutes ago, californiasardar1 said:

I met a UK girl many years ago. She was not from a religious family, but she was really into Sikhi, used to send me links to Kirtan online, etc. Long story short, she was apparently just going through some "spirituality phase" that she eventually got bored of.

Stay away from these types. If she's a moni and she's posting pictures of Guru Nanak Dev Ji with quotes on forgiveness on social media, it's usually when they're fresh from being rumbled for messing around. They have a phase where they don't wear make-up for a few months, and some even try to keep their head covered. But eventually they realise they can't fix their corrupted mindset and behaviour, and they start to lean towards the old ways. Some of them clean themselves up long enough to trick an innocent Sikh pappu into marriage, but the underlying whorishness never disappears. A guy with experience can smell it on them. It really is pheromones, lmao.

[californiasardar1]

28 minutes ago, MisterrSingh said:

Stay away from these types. If she's a moni and she's posting pictures of Guru Nanak Dev Ji with quotes on forgiveness on social media, it's usually when they're fresh from being rumbled for messing around. They have a phase where they don't wear make-up for a few months, and some even try to keep their head covered. But eventually they realise they can't fix their corrupted mindset and behaviour, and they start to lean towards the old ways. Some of them clean themselves up long enough to trick an innocent Sikh pappu into marriage, but the underlying whorishness never disappears. A guy with experience can smell it on them. It really is pheromones, lmao.

 

I learned the hard way to be very skeptical of people. It is in my nature to want to believe in people.

I met other women who were similar to this girl: they came from very nonreligious backgrounds (no Singh in their family tree for multiple generations, etc.) but were apparently really into Sikhi and spirituality and Gurbani and wanted to find a Singh to marry. And then the novelty of the brief "spirituality phase" wore off and they reverted to what they always were.

Now (and I know this sounds horrible) I am extremely skeptical of Sikhs who come from very nonreligious backgrounds and suddenly appear to be very religious. It is horrible because there are some people who genuinely go on a new path and stay on that path. But when you have been burnt, it is difficult to maintain a fully open mind.

[MisterrSingh]

15 minutes ago, californiasardar1 said:

I learned to hard way to be very skeptical of people. It is in my nature to want to believe in people.

I met other women who were similar to this girl: they came from very nonreligious backgrounds (no Singh in their family tree for multiple generations, etc.) but were apparently really into Sikhi and spirituality and Gurbani and wanted to find a Singh to marry. And then the novelty of the brief "spirituality phase" wore off and they reverted to what they always were.

Now (and I know this sounds horrible) I am extremely skeptical of Sikhs who come from very nonreligious backgrounds and suddenly appear to be very religious. It is horrible because there are some people who genuinely go on a new path and stay on that path. But when you have been burnt, it is difficult to maintain a fully open mind.

Nobody is going to stand-up for what's best for you. You've got to do that yourself. If something inside you is ringing the alarm bells, don't ignore it. Don't suppress your intuition because you feel you're being "mean". It's usually a life-saver.

With Sikh guys it's different. They've usually burned themselves out on drink and drugs and staying up all night after sessions and all sorts. The ones with a soul that's reachable understand they can't sustain this behaviour, because it's demeaning and damaging in more than one way. So, when they "turn to the Light" it's because they want to start living positively, etc. With Sikh girls this erring towards religious matters is almost always something calculating they're cajoled into - or at least an image they feel they need to project to signal the  turning of a corner - due to sexual issues gone wrong. But from experience, once they settle into their work / employment routine and start hanging around with the same old gal pals that lead them into the earlier mess, that veneer of reformation slips very quickly. The aura of shame doesn't leave them at all, though. They don't like guys who can see through it.

[Kaurr]

I remeber seeing that website for the first time, couldn't sleep that night, was in shock.

[Premi5]

20 hours ago, MisterrSingh said:

@Premi5 You'd do well to read the brother's pamphlet / e-book. I'm not having a go at you at all (I've actually grown to appreciate your dry approach, lol), but you have a fairly glossy / naive view of things when it comes to the world and the uncomfortable realities facing Sikhs who've fallen through the cracks and can smell the bull5hit of our own side.

Reading that brother's views, it feels like a view into my head. That guy knows the score, and it's always those fellers who end up walking away because the bakwaas is too strong.

I read it before I posted the link here.

I’ve had quite a sheltered life in the suburbs and not been witness to much ‘street’ stuff, lol (or I’ve missed a lot of it under my nose!)

‘Lived’ experience is always a better teacher of lessons than second hand experience .

I’m ‘bhola’ naturally, but I think the time I’ve spent on here, especially in the past 6 months has opened my eyes and mind more to the cruel realities of humans and the wider world out there. The Sangat here has taught me a lot.

I’ve been aware of many of those issues caused by that ‘other’ community in the Uk towards the Sikh community for many years but reading it on the Net on a regular basis keeps those issues at the front on my mind.

But I think there’s many lof our parents’ generation who wouldn’t believe or agree with the views in the e-book unless they or their close ones are affected. And they too easily believe what’s in the media and propaganda. Some of them are opening their eyes and minds up about issues in India/Panjab but not sure they see many of the societal and political issues around them In the West.

btw, where do those “fellers who end up walking away because the bakwaas is too strong” go…?! Did you mean they just retire into family life ‘defeated’ by the lack of support/supportive attitudes from the community and Gurdware ?

[MisterrSingh]

2 hours ago, Premi5 said:

btw, where do those “fellers who end up walking away because the bakwaas is too strong” go…?! Did you mean they just retire into family life ‘defeated’ by the lack of support/supportive attitudes from the community and Gurdware ?

They don't engage and get involved in things. Just observers from a distance.

[chatanga1]

2 hours ago, Premi5 said:

btw, where do those “fellers who end up walking away because the bakwaas is too strong” go…?! Did you mean they just retire into family life ‘defeated’ by the lack of support/supportive attitudes from the community and Gurdware ?

Myself. Retreated into family life, working, playing on the Playstation, working out and listening to katha, reading.

 

But still observing from a distance, without getting involved and hoping one day soon that some young Sikhs will get their act together, and hoping that one day sooner the elders who are holding the community back die quickly.

[californiasardar1]

On 3/24/2022 at 1:06 AM, MisterrSingh said:

Nobody is going to stand-up for what's best for you. You've got to do that yourself. If something inside you is ringing the alarm bells, don't ignore it. Don't suppress your intuition because you feel you're being "mean". It's usually a life-saver.

With Sikh guys it's different. They've usually burned themselves out on drink and drugs and staying up all night after sessions and all sorts. The ones with a soul that's reachable understand they can't sustain this behaviour, because it's demeaning and damaging in more than one way. So, when they "turn to the Light" it's because they want to start living positively, etc. With Sikh girls this erring towards religious matters is almost always something calculating they're cajoled into - or at least an image they feel they need to project to signal the  turning of a corner - due to sexual issues gone wrong. But from experience, once they settle into their work / employment routine and start hanging around with the same old gal pals that lead them into the earlier mess, that veneer of reformation slips very quickly. The aura of shame doesn't leave them at all, though. They don't like guys who can see through it.

 

I am at the point where I am so cynical that it will be impossible for me to fall for anything like that again.

I see where you are coming from regarding the difference between Sikh men and women. But I have to disagree a bit. I have see many Sikh guys go from being nonreligious to going through a religious phase, to reverting to what they originally were. But perhaps you are right that the motives are different.

I think with guys it's not always necessarily that they "see the light." Sometimes it is just the appeal of being contrarian or nonconformist. With guys like that, I have noticed that they like the initial phase when their kesh is just starting to grow and they look like a hippie or hipster, and they continue to like it when they first put on a pagh and look different. But once their beard grows out to full length and stupid Punjabis just view them as a regular "baba," they lose it. They will either stop wearing a pagh (so that they can be hipsters with beards and man-buns instead), or they trim or cut their kesh.

I have also seen multiple examples of mona guys who become religious and grow out their kesh and/or take amrit, but then go back to being mona after their wives (or girls who previously liked them) complain.

[MisterrSingh]

15 minutes ago, californiasardar1 said:

 

I am at the point where I am so cynical that it will be impossible for me to fall for anything like that again.

I see where you are coming from regarding the difference between Sikh men and women. But I have to disagree a bit. I have see many Sikh guys go from being nonreligious to going through a religious phase, to reverting to what they originally were. But perhaps you are right that the motives are different.

I think with guys it's not always necessarily that they "see the light." Sometimes it is just the appeal of being contrarian or nonconformist. With guys like that, I have noticed that they like the initial phase when their kesh is just starting to grow and they look like a hippie or hipster, and they continue to like it when they first put on a pagh and look different. But once their beard grows out to full length and stupid Punjabis just view them as a regular "baba," they lose it. They will either stop wearing a pagh (so that they can be hipsters with beards and man-buns instead), or they trim or cut their kesh.

I have also seen multiple examples of mona guys who become religious and grow out their kesh and/or take amrit, but then go back to being mona after their wives (or girls who previously liked them) complain.

Valid points. I guess there's a cultural / location aspect to it as well. I've certainly noticed that behaviour you've highlighted about guys growing out their hair and it being a fun novelty at first... until it starts to be viewed as something loaded with religious connotations. Yes, it's the missus that puts the brakes on, always.