Muslims

[proudkaur21]

4 hours ago, MisterrSingh said:

It's not an exaggeration or an inaccuracy to state that a thorough reading of what they claim is the Word of God, is ostensibly why their morals and their minds are in the gutter.

Imagine attributing rape, paedophilia, necrophilia, slavery, and other ethically dubious human acts to divine instruction that's been sanctioned and approved by the supreme heavenly being. 

How much of a sinner is any genuinely believing Muslim to seriously think their "perfect" man performed and sanctioned these acts, therefore they're perfectly permissable for his followers.

Apologists and islamophiles enjoy dragging Christianity into the mud by arguing that Christian scriptures contain similar directives, but these dhimmis choose to ignore something called the Reformation. On the other hand, Islam has been actively resisting any reformation for thousands of years! 

Like I've always said, certain individual Muslims may have performed great feats or achieved great things, but they didn't do so BECAUSE of Islam; they did it IN SPITE OF Islam. Conversely, it's hard to argue the impetus provided to certain individuals to resort to depravity and horror might have manifested itself differently had Islam not been present. Not suggesting other groups have behaved angelically, but that extra "bite" that comes with Islamic belief is almost demonic.

Funny thing is whenever the prophet wanted to do something he would claim it was divine revelation from god lol for example marrying his adopted son's wife. 

[proudkaur21]

4 hours ago, MisterrSingh said:

It's not an exaggeration or an inaccuracy to state that a thorough reading of what they claim is the Word of God, is ostensibly why their morals and their minds are in the gutter.

Imagine attributing rape, paedophilia, necrophilia, slavery, and other ethically dubious human acts to divine instruction that's been sanctioned and approved by the supreme heavenly being. 

How much of a sinner is any genuinely believing Muslim to seriously think their "perfect" man performed and sanctioned these acts, therefore they're perfectly permissable for his followers.

Apologists and islamophiles enjoy dragging Christianity into the mud by arguing that Christian scriptures contain similar directives, but these dhimmis choose to ignore something called the Reformation. On the other hand, Islam has been actively resisting any reformation for thousands of years! 

Like I've always said, certain individual Muslims may have performed great feats or achieved great things, but they didn't do so BECAUSE of Islam; they did it IN SPITE OF Islam. Conversely, it's hard to argue the impetus provided to certain individuals to resort to depravity and horror might have manifested itself differently had Islam not been present. Not suggesting other groups have behaved angelically, but that extra "bite" that comes with Islamic belief is almost demonic.

But doesnt reformation confirm christianity is false. I mean if a religion needs to be reformed then how come it is the truth lol.

[proudkaur21]

4 hours ago, MisterrSingh said:

It's not an exaggeration or an inaccuracy to state that a thorough reading of what they claim is the Word of God, is ostensibly why their morals and their minds are in the gutter.

Imagine attributing rape, paedophilia, necrophilia, slavery, and other ethically dubious human acts to divine instruction that's been sanctioned and approved by the supreme heavenly being. 

How much of a sinner is any genuinely believing Muslim to seriously think their "perfect" man performed and sanctioned these acts, therefore they're perfectly permissable for his followers.

Apologists and islamophiles enjoy dragging Christianity into the mud by arguing that Christian scriptures contain similar directives, but these dhimmis choose to ignore something called the Reformation. On the other hand, Islam has been actively resisting any reformation for thousands of years! 

Like I've always said, certain individual Muslims may have performed great feats or achieved great things, but they didn't do so BECAUSE of Islam; they did it IN SPITE OF Islam. Conversely, it's hard to argue the impetus provided to certain individuals to resort to depravity and horror might have manifested itself differently had Islam not been present. Not suggesting other groups have behaved angelically, but that extra "bite" that comes with Islamic belief is almost demonic.

 

[MisterrSingh]

2 hours ago, proudkaur21 said:

But doesnt reformation confirm christianity is false. I mean if a religion needs to be reformed then how come it is the truth lol.

Yes, I know what you mean. It undermines the premise that what they originally conveyed as the unalterable Word of God was... altered by Man, lol. They would argue about the Old Testament being the writings of the ancient Jewish Tribes, while the New Testament was slightly more relevant, etc. They've forced themselves into a corner, and funnily enough it's something Muslims laud over them when they say, "Your religion is false because you caved into the pressure to change what you claimed was God's Word. WE Muslims will never do that, hence our religion is the only true faith." The latter proposition on the part of Muslims is philosophically bogus, because them resisting altering Islamic scripture to erase the utterly depraved aspects of it has nothing to do with its integrity as divine revelation. They presuppose it is true, and refuse to question if it may have been demonically or even Satanically derived. 

[proudkaur21]

1 hour ago, MisterrSingh said:

Yes, I know what you mean. It undermines the premise that what they originally conveyed as the unalterable Word of God was... altered by Man, lol. They would argue about the Old Testament being the writings of the ancient Jewish Tribes, while the New Testament was slightly more relevant, etc. They've forced themselves into a corner, and funnily enough it's something Muslims laud over them when they say, "Your religion is false because you caved into the pressure to change what you claimed was God's Word. WE Muslims will never do that, hence our religion is the only true faith." The latter proposition on the part of Muslims is philosophically bogus, because them resisting altering Islamic scripture to erase the utterly depraved aspects of it has nothing to do with its integrity as divine revelation. They presuppose it is true, and refuse to question if it may have been demonically or even Satanically derived. 

Also wasnt the Quran written many years after their prophet's death? I dont know if I'm wrong but they say it was memorized by some of their people and passed on through oral traditions or something. I could be wrong though.

[proactive]

7 hours ago, MisterrSingh said:

Since delving into the subject of karma and reincarnation from authentic Vedic sources (not cucked Western interpretations), I have to say my theory is that Islam must be the first religion a soul must "pass through" once it leaves the joon-class of janwars and four-legged creatures (and even from demons and whatnot), and enters the class of human joons. Other religions are far from perfect, but, frig me, Islam is something else. I guess the "lesson" for the soul that a few janams born into Islam provides is to develop a rudimentary form of deference to spiritual authority (that can never be learned from a laissez-faire belief system) even if that lesson comes at the expense of the human conscience.

Interesting thought. I remember elder members of my family used to say that those people who appear incapable of human emotions and general humanity had been born into a human body before their time. Some kind of glitch has caused them to be born in a human body before they had gone through the necessary experience and development in other life forms which would have set them up to attain human birth.

Watching that video of those girls being attacked in Pakistan, their abusers do display classic pack like behaviour. 

Unfortunately for those born into Islam, both nature and nurture screws them up for life! 

[MisterrSingh]

13 hours ago, GurjantGnostic said:

Kabeer. 

Outliers sent by God to reform but whose efforts are overwhelmed by the majority.

Or a slightly more cynical perspective: individuals who realise the evil and the contradictions of the religion they're born into, but are too afraid to leave or make waves against the status quo, so decide to straddle the fence by nudging for introspection whilst not making themselves enemies of the orthodoxy.

[MisterrSingh]

13 hours ago, proudkaur21 said:

Isnt that a good thing for non muslims lol? 

Good thing for non-Muslims when Muslims are a minority. Otherwise, no.

[Jacfsing2]

1 hour ago, MisterrSingh said:

Outliers sent by God to reform but whose efforts are overwhelmed by the majority.

Or a slightly more cynical perspective: individuals who realise the evil and the contradictions of the religion they're born into, but are too afraid to leave or make waves against the status quo, so decide to straddle the fence by nudging for introspection whilst not making themselves enemies of the orthodoxy.

If we look at the Hindu and Muslim bhagats, they would be seen as those against their religion rather than loyal to the orthodoxy of their respected faiths. Peer Buddhu Shah himself was made a Shaheed for going against the orthodoxy of Aurangzeb/Islam to assist Guru Sahib. 

[MisterrSingh]

1 hour ago, Jacfsing2 said:

If we look at the Hindu and Muslim bhagats, they would be seen as those against their religion rather than loyal to the orthodoxy of their respected faiths. Peer Buddhu Shah himself was made a Shaheed for going against the orthodoxy of Aurangzeb/Islam to assist Guru Sahib. 

Shaheed for speaking out against Islam on purely doctrinal terms (its spiritual fallacies and frailties as a faith), or shaheed for supporting enemies of the ruling Islamic regime? History points to many, many instances where religion was used as an accepted front to persecute opponents of the political state.

In your example, which one is it most likely to be minus any emotion or biases on your part?