Bespoke Painting - Harmandir Sahib

[Akalidilsidaksingh]

6 hours ago, Singh375 said:

Awesome knowledge Singh ji, could you edit your post to add numbers?

2 bhai amolak singh 

6 bhai preetam singh jee chani 

9 looks like dr preetam singh jee

11 bhai jeevan singh jee 

12 master niranjan singh jee

13 singh from UK

14 giani amolak singh jee

15 bhai joginder singh talwara  

16 bhai surat singh jee pooran 

17 bhai harbhajan singh jee sagoo

18 bhai rama singh jee 

19 bau mal singh jee

20 jathedar raghbir singh jee

21 bhai kulwant singh kaki pind

22 Unknown

23 bhai avtar singh jee

24 bhai fauja singh

25 sri maan sant giani jarnail singh jee khalsa

26 kulwant singh jee nagoke

27 mehnga singh jee babbar

28 bhai anokh singh jee

29 sukhdev singh jee babar 

30 gurjant singh budh singh wala

31 jathedar gurdev singh kaonke

[Akalidilsidaksingh]

2 minutes ago, ipledgeblue said:

Tell me more about the Singh who plays tabla in a different way.

bhai preetam singh jee chani .They did akaal chlaana last year only.

[1Anonymous1]

On 7/17/2022 at 8:15 PM, Singh375 said:

Please comment names/numbers sangat ji and daas will edit captions below

1, 2 - Bhai Amolak Singh Ji, 3, 4, 5, 6 - Bhai Preetam Singh Ji Chani, 7, 8, 9 - Dr Preetam Singh Ji, 10 - Bhai Sahib Randhir Singh Ji, 11 - Bhai Jeevan Singh Ji, 12 - Master Niranjan Singh Ji, 13 - (Singh from UK?), 14 - Giani Amolak Singh Ji, 15 - Bhai Joginder Singh Ji Talwara

16 - Bhai Surat Singh Ji Pooran, 17 - Bhai Harbhajan Singh Ji Sagoo, 18 - Bhai Rama Singh Ji, 19 - Bhai Mal Singh Ji, 20 - Jathedar Raghbir Singh Ji, 21 - Bhai Kulwant Singh Ji (kaki pind), 22 

23 - Bhai Avtar Singh Ji Kurala, 24 - Bhai Fauja Singh Ji, 25 - Sant Jarnail Singh Ji, 26 - Bhai Kulwant Singh Nagoke, 27 - Bhai Mehnga Singh Ji Babbar, 28 - Bhai Anokh Singh Ji Babbar, 29 - Bhai Sukhdev Singh Ji Babbar, 30 - Bhai Gujrant Singh Ji (budh singh wala), 31 - Jathedar Gurdev Singh Ji Kaonke

4. bhai shingara singh ji. read about his amazing jeevan:

https://www.gurmatbibek.com/contents.php?id=1849

1. looks like bhai jeevan singh ji singhni (cannot remember name)

8. looks like Bibi Bhupinder Kaur ji 

[dharamyudh]

On 7/17/2022 at 12:21 AM, MisterrSingh said:

Jathas and sects severely weakened us. A billion+ strong religion like Islam can afford to mess around with its Shia-Sunni nonsense. For us, even anti-DG issues are clearly manufactured to create distance and differences. The founders of sects care more for their own glory and remembrance than for the unification and prosperity of the Sikh faith as a unit. There was never any need for sects in Sikhi.

You're 100% right. Sects absolutely destroyed us. Heck, I'm even trying to overcome my own personal biases because of it. Dal Khalsa was one unified unit with a unified group of people, beliefs, marayada etc. It was one of the reason why things like the Sarbat Khalsa and jathedari worked so well in the past. However, as many of us have seen, these things are so difficult to apply in the current Sikh world due to these jatha loyalties. 

[ipledgeblue]

23 hours ago, dharamyudh said:

You're 100% right. Sects absolutely destroyed us. Heck, I'm even trying to overcome my own personal biases because of it. Dal Khalsa was one unified unit with a unified group of people, beliefs, marayada etc. It was one of the reason why things like the Sarbat Khalsa and jathedari worked so well in the past. However, as many of us have seen, these things are so difficult to apply in the current Sikh world due to these jatha loyalties. 

it's only when modern Sikhs let go of their jatha egoes and start understanding the rehitnamas and itihasic granths, then they will understand the value of da khalsa and what dal khalsa achieved!

[Not2Cool2Argue]

On 7/23/2022 at 10:10 PM, dharamyudh said:

You're 100% right. Sects absolutely destroyed us. Heck, I'm even trying to overcome my own personal biases because of it. Dal Khalsa was one unified unit with a unified group of people, beliefs, marayada etc. It was one of the reason why things like the Sarbat Khalsa and jathedari worked so well in the past. However, as many of us have seen, these things are so difficult to apply in the current Sikh world due to these jatha loyalties. 

There were always sects. The beauty was we could still be united and respect each other yet be different.

Just look at dasam pitas time. He told bhai nand lal ji not to fight, supported bhai khaniya ji's anti-violence agenda. Had hindus and muslims and mercenaries in his army. Send most women away from the fight (including mata jis) but allowed mai bhago to fight.

Contradictions and opposing views everywhere. 

And also had a vaishnav and meat langar at the same time.

Then later there were the sikhs who lived in jangals and fought. Then city sikhs like subheg singh and shabaaz singh. Then farmers like bhai taaru singh. Village dwellers like the singhaniya in mir mannus jail. 

No time was there when all sikhs were shastardhari, living in jangals.

In fact there were udasees, seva panthis, bedis, nirmale,  tarna dal vs budha dal division, then misls, followed by sikh rajas vs akalis. Then naamdhari showed up. 

The arguments in the 1900s were numerous. If sachkhand is an actual place vs avastha. If meat is allowed. If padshed is allowed. Dasam granth. If dakhani onkaar is actually called Onkaar Bani (pamphlet on that by Bhagat puran singh)

And dont just blame the akjs. Many other sects dont believe in brahm kavach as part of dasam etc. 

I think the vaaja should have an important nostalgic place in our gurudwaras. It is a symbol of how sikhi spread to the masses, how it triumphed under colonial rule. How when the british were busying destroying our culture, taking away kaide/books and shastar away from our ppl. Sikhs co-opted their instrument and spread sikhi. Like the miniature saroops of SGGS used in the world wars. Part of our history of how Sikhs kept sikhi alive in hard times. And should be revered. 

Puratan is important so we don't lose any of our magnificent history and culture and skills. But it shouldn't stop us from adding more skills to our repertoire. 

Like maharaja ranjit adding cannons to his army and learning from the European soldiers about military training. (BTW most of those Europeans were french/Italian who having lost the napoleonic wars fled east and their hatred of the English is what attracted them to ranjit singh)

 

 

 

[ipledgeblue]

On 7/31/2022 at 4:53 PM, Not2Cool2Argue said:

There were always sects. The beauty was we could still be united and respect each other yet be different.

Just look at dasam pitas time. He told bhai nand lal ji not to fight, supported bhai khaniya ji's anti-violence agenda. Had hindus and muslims and mercenaries in his army. Send most women away from the fight (including mata jis) but allowed mai bhago to fight.

Contradictions and opposing views everywhere. 

And also had a vaishnav and meat langar at the same time.

Then later there were the sikhs who lived in jangals and fought. Then city sikhs like subheg singh and shabaaz singh. Then farmers like bhai taaru singh. Village dwellers like the singhaniya in mir mannus jail. 

No time was there when all sikhs were shastardhari, living in jangals.

In fact there were udasees, seva panthis, bedis, nirmale,  tarna dal vs budha dal division, then misls, followed by sikh rajas vs akalis. Then naamdhari showed up. 

The arguments in the 1900s were numerous. If sachkhand is an actual place vs avastha. If meat is allowed. If padshed is allowed. Dasam granth. If dakhani onkaar is actually called Onkaar Bani (pamphlet on that by Bhagat puran singh)

And dont just blame the akjs. Many other sects dont believe in brahm kavach as part of dasam etc. 

I think the vaaja should have an important nostalgic place in our gurudwaras. It is a symbol of how sikhi spread to the masses, how it triumphed under colonial rule. How when the british were busying destroying our culture, taking away kaide/books and shastar away from our ppl. Sikhs co-opted their instrument and spread sikhi. Like the miniature saroops of SGGS used in the world wars. Part of our history of how Sikhs kept sikhi alive in hard times. And should be revered. 

Puratan is important so we don't lose any of our magnificent history and culture and skills. But it shouldn't stop us from adding more skills to our repertoire. 

Like maharaja ranjit adding cannons to his army and learning from the European soldiers about military training. (BTW most of those Europeans were french/Italian who having lost the napoleonic wars fled east and their hatred of the English is what attracted them to ranjit singh)

udasis and sewapanthis aren't khalsa sects and are sikh sampradaiye. Due to not being part of khalsa, they do not cause division in the khalsa and behave as part of wider sikh panth, in a bohpanti sikh panth. Those sampradaiye existed at the time of dal khalsa and didn't cause issues,  and helped support sikhs and gurdwaras and seva. To include these sampradaiye in divisions of khalsa is completely illogical !

To be honest it doesn't really make sense to include bedis and nirmalay either because their roles didn't interfere with the main khalsa panth the way today's jathas and sgpc try to control! Normally Every Singh took pahul from Budha Dal and then either stayed with dal khalsa and had the one panthic maryada, or maybe went into their life or grihast jeevan, maybe joining Maharaja Ranjit Singh's army or whatever they wanted, but still keeping the dal panth maryada, and theres other went onto some sect or dera to follow their maryada... None of this stuff with "take amrit from my jatha and follow our maryada" and "we are the correct khalsa way", there just was't any of this ego or erosion present!

The issue NOW is there are sects and divisions within the khalsa! Don't worry about sects outside of the khalsa, those have always existed going all the way to Udasis, and only aim to spread prachar and bring people into sikhi!

some sects such as panch khalsa diwan with Bhasauria, jathas and sgpc must take the blame for mutilating chaupai sahib and printing gutkas throughout last century with this presentation!

harmonium is maybe nostalgic, however if we really are independent from colonial rule, then we should not use it over Guru Arjan dev ji's hukam of using tanti saaj for raag keertan!

nostalgia is one thing but Guru is always main thing!

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[Not2Cool2Argue]

On 8/1/2022 at 7:20 AM, ipledgeblue said:

 

To be honest it doesn't really make sense to include bedis and nirmalay either because their roles didn't interfere with the main khalsa panth the way today's jathas and sgpc try to control! Normally Every Singh took pahul from Budha Dal and then either stayed with dal khalsa and had the one panthic maryada, or maybe went into their life or grihast jeevan, maybe joining Maharaja Ranjit Singh's army or whatever they wanted, but still keeping the dal panth maryada, and theres other went onto some sect or dera to follow their maryada... None of this stuff with "take amrit from my jatha and follow our maryada" and "we are the correct khalsa way", there just was't any of this ego or erosion present!

 

harmonium is maybe nostalgic, however if we really are independent from colonial rule, then we should not use it over Guru Arjan dev ji's hukam of using tanti saaj for raag keertan!

nostalgia is one thing but Guru is always main thing!

So did Maharaja Ranjit Singh take Pahul from Buddha dal? And what maryada did he follow?

Also Guruji themselves created new instruments. Guru Arjan dev ji created a new style of tabla. So they weren't considered with authenticity.

And Guru Hargobind Sahib used dilruba which wasn't used by Guru Arjan Dev Ji.

I am not aware of any hukam of Panjwe patshah about  using tanti saaj. Only about reading gurbani as much as possible. Aavo Sikh satguru ki pyare, gavi Sachi bani. And shabad chaunkis have been a part of the Sikh tradition where they don't use any tanti saaj to sing. Except maybe dhol. 

Also about dal khalsa, do you know their views on bhagauti?

[dharamyudh]

21 hours ago, Not2Cool2Argue said:

So did Maharaja Ranjit Singh take Pahul from Buddha dal? And what maryada did he follow?

Also Guruji themselves created new instruments. Guru Arjan dev ji created a new style of tabla. So they weren't considered with authenticity.

And Guru Hargobind Sahib used dilruba which wasn't used by Guru Arjan Dev Ji.

I am not aware of any hukam of Panjwe patshah about  using tanti saaj. Only about reading gurbani as much as possible. Aavo Sikh satguru ki pyare, gavi Sachi bani. And shabad chaunkis have been a part of the Sikh tradition where they don't use any tanti saaj to sing. Except maybe dhol. 

Also about dal khalsa, do you know their views on bhagauti?

Say what you want, those instruments that the Guru introduced/created are FAR superior when compared to the harmonium. In my humble opinion, I think it's only right that we use those very high quality instruments introduced/created by the Guru. I'm not advocating to completely get rid of it, rather, tanti saaj should have a greater emphasis.